Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[The Airing of Grievances]

A coach who was actually a tough player. Didn't think he'd actually be interested. Hopefully will not accept zero effort performances, something our previous coaches have.

To be fair, there may be several valid criticisms of Worsfold as a coach, but don't think anyone ever accused him of not being a tough player.

 

[madrigal]

missed it.
what was said?

Something along the lines of what has been mentioned previously, that he would not have been comfortable accepting the job if it was offered to him without a rigorous process.

“If Essendon had of said look if you want to coach we are going to appoint you without a process. I would have been concerned by that because I think it is really important that there's an independent panel that was appointed to run a rigorous process and then recommend a preferred candidate to the board.“

 

[Lore]

 

[The Airing of Grievances]

There are strict parameters in terms of fixturing. Best we can get is 3 double ups against bottom 6 sides, 2 for middle 6 and only 5 trips interstate

No prizes for guessing our 2 from the middle 6 will be Richmond and Carlton. And that one of our interstate trips will be Sydney at the SCG.

 

[frodos gardener]

If we get a single game against Sydney at home in 2023, I will consider this appointment an absolute win.

 

[ant555]

Had some time now to think about it all and listen to the press conference so here is what I think.

I did not rate him as a good coach. Thought he was an above average coach that took over an above average side and did not progress them any further than an above average side.
Also had concerns with a few reports he played favorites with senior players.
Was also interested in why David King never rated him and still doesn't given his comments this morning.

So after hearing the press conference a few point pricked my ears other than the usual new coach speak.

First was something I did not think of was in his role he was talking to all the coaches and looking at all games of footy . The fact that he was totally immersed in watching footy style was not something that even registered with me . You would think that he has had more exposure to looking at game style than anyone just in the system at one club.

The other telling point was the fact he got the North job after only 3 years at the Pies so he was less experienced than Truck when he started . North may not have gone much further forward but they did not just crash either which is something to hang your hat on with limited experience.

I like the fact he has no time table and is not talking any sort of game plan yet. Also liked how well he spoke about Mahoney and his plan forward.

There was the obvious hard work and building the program stuff.

So I am not sold he is the guy but that would be the same if it went to Yze. At least it seems that we are still taking the same course and not looking for a top up and quick results.
I am interested in how it will go. It is a little exciting having a fresh voice in charge but I am not going with stoked or getting over excited.
As long as we keep building the platform to go forward.

 

[The Airing of Grievances]

He doesn't really have a choice.

Most coaching staffs are set by now which makes poaching difficult, and the period for clubs to tell assistants they were no longer required was like a month ago so guys there currently aren't likely to be sacked.

Guys like Solomon or Joyce who aren't in the AFL system currently are really the only ones left to appoint if he wants.

Presumably he also has the option of re-allocating roles among those assistants. One of the criticisms of our set up this year which resonated with me was that most were placed in roles which didn't really match their specific expertise, apparently for 'professional development' . I assume they , or some of , requested that. You'd imagine Scott isn't going to stand for that.

 

[ant555]

Presumably he also has the option of re-allocating roles among those assistants. One of the criticisms of our set up this year which resonated with me was that most were placed in roles which didn't really match their specific expertise, apparently for 'professional development' . I assume they , or some of , requested that. You'd imagine Scott isn't going to stand for that.

I find the area of expertise a bit of a wank myself but that is just me.
Sure a player that has played a spot has expertise in that spot but coaches who reach that level in the AFL coaching have done so by knowing all areas of the game. They are not part time specialist coaches. They participate in the overall planning. They also use the knowledge they have to work with the other line coaches.
It is not like stay in your lane forward coach if he has something to say about midfield as he had previously coached midfield.

 

[faible]

I find the area of expertise a bit of a wank myself but that is just me.
Sure a player that has played a spot has expertise in that spot but coaches who reach that level in the AFL coaching have done so by knowing all areas of the game. They are not part time specialist coaches. They participate in the overall planning. They also use the knowledge they have to work with the other line coaches.
It is not like stay in your lane forward coach if he has something to say about midfield as he had previously coached midfield.

I assume it's more that we see a guy come in who's done good work with the Lions midfield in Tapping, who we then use as a Forwards coach. Which is pretty much how our entire coaching group is setup; they earned a good reputation in their work across one line at another club, then come over and work with an entirely different line.

 

[ant555]

I assume it's more that we see a guy come in who's done good work with the Lions midfield in Tapping, who we then use as a Forwards coach. Which is pretty much how our entire coaching group is setup; they earned a good reputation in their work across one line at another club, then come over and work with an entirely different line.

So who is saying he has not got good ideas as a forward coach ?
Like I said they do not say stay in your lane forward coach. They use all of his knowledge. He would be available for advice to midfielders.
Clubs swap them over all the time. To get to that level and experience they have to know about all areas of the game. They are not part time specialist coaches and they have a number years of experience.
I will offend a lot here by saying this but it is a wank to suggest they need to be locked into one position and one position only.
I have seen line coaches at local footy working with each other in planning how they will set up the game plan and all having ideas for other lines.
Tapping has a history in a number of areas including VFL coach and TAC coach.

 

[faible]

So who is saying he has not got good ideas as a forward coach ?
Like I said they do not say stay in your lane forward coach. They use all of his knowledge. He would be available for advice to midfielders.
Clubs swap them over all the time. To get to that level and experience they have to know about all areas of the game. They are not part time specialist coaches and they have a number years of experience.
I will offend a lot here by saying this but it is a wank to suggest they need to be locked into one position and one position only.
I have seen line coaches at local footy working with each other in planning how they will set up the game plan and all having ideas for other lines.

I was just telling you how I've always read it; coach comes in highly regarded for <line> then at EFC coaches <any other line>. Team is dysfunctional on-field. Questions asked about whether said assistant with good reputation for work with previous sides <line> should be the one working with that one.

 

[faible]

I have seen line coaches at local footy working with each other in planning how they will set up the game plan and all having ideas for other lines.

As for this bit, you'd like to think that the higher up in an industry you go, the better the collaboration is, but that's not always true. Ego can often get in the way.

To clarify - I'm not saying this is happening at EFC, or at AFL level at other clubs. But success and experience can make people more open, or less open.

 

[ant555]

I was just telling you how I've always read it; coach comes in highly regarded for <line> then at EFC coaches <any other line>. Team is dysfunctional on-field. Questions asked about whether said assistant with good reputation for work with previous sides <line> should be the one working with that one.

And I am saying that view is rubbish. Sorry.
Anyone who starts doing the level 1 to 4 coaching will tell you the same. I have level 2 and already did some work on the role of knowing all lines.
Not going to be a popular opinion and it will be an offensive one but it is what it is.
Sides suck because the players have deficiencies and the coaches can not sell the message. Not because the forward coach with 23 years experience coached the midfield at the last club.
Would be different if you gave the job of midfield coach to Matthew Lloyd with no previous coaching experience.

 

[ant555]

As for this bit, you'd like to think that the higher up in an industry you go, the better the collaboration is, but that's not always true. Ego can often get in the way.

To clarify - I'm not saying this is happening at EFC, or at AFL level at other clubs. But success and experience can make people more open, or less open.

You would be surprised how often ego does not get in the way. The fact is the higher up you go the more narrow the view is on how game plans work. They would be agreeing on 90% of things. It is actually very rare for a coaching group to totally fracture.

 

[mxett]

Really impressed with Brad so far. Not impressed with Sheedy. Time to move

 

[Bjchan13]

Apparently part of a bombers contingent that met with Bowes today

 

[Mikevk123]

Not a bad appointment imo. Has experience. Let’s do this

 

[Lore]

I like the fact he has no time table and is not talking any sort of game plan yet. Also liked how well he spoke about Mahoney and his plan forward.

I don’t remember specific comments about Mahoney (I need to listen to them all again) but currently listening to the 3AW interview and you’re right in that Scott is saying very similar things to Mahoney 6 weeks ago when he was on ABC Sport for the start of the AFLW season. Can only be a good thing

 

[Eleven 38]

Apologies if this is already mentioned, still catching up on the thread - but I wonder if he’s half entertaining his first move as making Hobbs captain, Redman / Perkins vice captains maybe? If not now, some time in the future…. They seem to have a bit of ‘Scott-ness’ about them…

I reckon the days of teenagers as captain are over, there's just too much off field happening for them to be able to cope while building their career on field.

I do hope he's entertaining Redman as captain though. He just looked like a player that could drag the whole team up with him this year.

Does anyone remember if Scott selected the captains at North or the playing group.?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Ok I’m on board… at least he gets it.

Whether the rest of the club plays ball, I have enormous doubt.

"That's going to be a big challenge here.

"But if you're not united and you're not going in the same direction, I don't care what players you've got and what facilities you've got, none of that matters."

 

[citizen-erased]

Apparently part of a bombers contingent that met with Bowes today

Get it done josh and brad

 

[Zach Package]

I was most impressed by him saying he was responsible for managing the footy program as a whole.

Him being an effective delegator and communicator with his line coaches is going to be as important as his own tactical nous.

This is the modern way and the way forward, not a Clarkson style one man tinpot dictatorship.

 

[Burzum]

I’m looking forward to the GIFs.

 

[yodellinhank]

Mmmm... Daw was suicidal at one point if I recall. Not drawing a direct correlation between the two, just saying things can chip away at a person.

I hope he has learned a bit about emotional intelligence.

The stuff that ruined Truck? No thanks.

 

[Tas]

Mmmm... Daw was suicidal at one point if I recall. Not drawing a direct correlation between the two, just saying things can chip away at a person.

I hope he has learned a bit about emotional intelligence.

Daw's parents didn't even know about his mental health problems, he wasn't going to open up to the coach. The sad part was that he was playing great footy down as a defender around that period so I don't think he had any added football pressure at the time.

That is the weird thing about mental illness, it doesn't just manifest when everything is going badly. He had a few attempts prior to the bridge incident, was drinking a lot, his girlfriend became pregnant and it was an unfortunate period of time in his life. I think it is a bit unfair to lay any blame on Scott.