Mitch McGovern 2: As The Worm Turns (read the OP)

[GROTTO]

I disagree. If I really want to move somewhere, surely I can also choose where I work if I’m talented enough to have options?

Disagree. I am talking about contracted players here. Surely the Club should hold the power, they have invested resources into a player.

Kelly is contracted to the Cats. If he is desperate to get home then any Club should suffice which provides the best deal to the Cats.

If all Danger wanted to do was return to Melbourne, do you know how powerful the remuneration we would have got for him. I genuinely believe we could have nailed 3 1sts. It would have started a crazy bidding war in Victoria.

 

[El Doederino]

Rowie saw a lot of Willie Rioli in the state league

Says Macadam is above him but below Liam Ryan. Says Ryan has more tricks

Why is it the media can only compare indigenous players with other indigenous players?

 

[FR0GGY]

While I agree with your premise, Richmond last year was during Gov’s annual injury.

Did double read.

 

[BRL121]

Why is it the media can only compare indigenous players with other indigenous players?

Because they're the most appropriate comparison: they can do a lot of stuff that the others can't.

 

[SaltPeter]

Rowie saw a lot of Willie Rioli in the state league

Says Macadam is above him but below Liam Ryan. Says Ryan has more tricks

Out of curiosity, do you know where WC took Ryan in the draft?

 

[El Doederino]

Because they're the most appropriate comparison: they can do a lot of stuff that the others can't.

You think that?

What can Betts do that Didak or Gray or Milne couldn’t?

 

[SaltPeter]

Im assuming Gibbs had genuine compassionate reasons to return home.

His total income over the last few years would have him easily the richest AFL player in SA.

Weren't there rumours floating around that as Justin Reid was Gibbs manager and had negotiated his last deal with Carlton he clearly understood the payment structure of the contract. Hence Adelaide could put a financial deal in front of him that far exceeded the payments he would've received from Carlton.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

On a negative. What we have set up now is a situation where a contracted player at our club can just nominate a club to move to and expect it to happen.

 

[spexau]

On a negative. What we have set up now is a situation where a contracted player at our club can just nominate a club to move to and expect it to happen.

This is not exclusive to the AFC by any stretch

 

[GROTTO]

I have no idea...i don't recall any of our trusted ITK's mentioning his contract amount.

I've seen on here $750k constantly mentioned though? Where did that come from?

I remember Curnow and Cripps re-signed for $800k+ (starting next year)...Murphy and Doc might be on decent amounts but i can't imagine any others being paid any more than $600k. So McGov might be in our top 5 or so...obviously we have plenty of cash to spend and you have to pay extra to bring players in.

We allegedly offered Shiel 1-1.1 million.

So just on that, what would you have asked for Curnow?

Pick 13 and a VFL player would have been enough? I cant see Carlton saying yes to that.

So as I say, I think the deal is fairly even. I would rather have kept Gov if he was happy to stay but he wanted money in the end.

 

[Shaz2012]

Why is it the media can only compare indigenous players with other indigenous players?

Interesting. I tend to do it too. Lack of imagination is my excuse. Could it be that at the elite level, there are not many non-indigenous players that are comparable to elite level indigenous players. Does that compliment excuse my ignorance? Probably not. Orazio, De Goey come to mind as players that I would compare with some indigenous players. Rankine reminds me a bit of JDG. But you make a good point.

 

[rabidcrow]

If Sydney give #13 to West Coast ....what were our other options ?? #11 went to Port, Geelong at #12??

Also I don’t think we would ever have used 40. To be honest when the trade was talked as being 26-28 the main reason I had some faith we would get better was that we wouldn’t use both of those picks based on our list numbers

 

[deeztreez]

Have we drafted a generational SA talent this draft? I must have missed that part. Like I said, time will tell if it was worth taking a loss on this particular trade. Hopefully this move works out and leads to either Luko or Rankine. They are the only generational talents on offer. Rozee will be very good, but not worth trading two picks under 21 for.

If it does work out that way then I will eat my words. Especially if the deal to get them is done early and beats Port to the punch. But otherwise, I maintain that there was no need to cave. We should have held the line and been willing to walk away.

As a club we seem to have no strategy. Are we going for a flag and spending 2 firsts on Gibbs, while giving Sloane a ridiculous 5 year deal even though he can't break a tag. Not looking to take value on a mature Lynch. Ok, I can be on board with this. Lets do it. If so, I'd much rather have Gov next year than some 18 year old at pick 13 who wont be first team ready until 2021.

OR, are we going to optimize our list and get as much talent as we can to compliment the core of players like Laird and the Crouch boys. Ok, I can be on board with this too. So why the **** did we pay 2 firsts for Gibbs and why did we give Sloane that contract that his performances over the past 18 months haven't warranted.

I am a flexible fan. I can be on board for different ways forward. I am ready to back the club in. But they are doing contradictory things and taking us around in circles. The decision to spend two picks on Gibbs and the decision to trade out Gov for an 18 year old mid 1st round kid are completely counter productive to one another. The fact that we did both of these with the same club, and lost both trades, just pisses me off. I will get over it, but excuse me for not praising the club for their genius just yet.

Why are your posts so long and tedious...and mostly just full of made up crap?

 

[El Doederino]

Interesting. I tend to do it too. Lack of imagination is my excuse. Could it be that at the elite level, there are not many non-indigenous players that are comparable to elite level indigenous players. Does that compliment excuse my ignorance? Probably not. Orazio, De Goey come to mind as players that I would compare with some indigenous players. Rankine reminds me a bit of JDG. But you make a good point.

I think a lot of us do it too. I’ve caught myself at times.

 

[Shaz2012]

Why are your posts so long and tedious...and mostly just full of made up crap?

So dont read them dickhead.

 

[spenze]

Taking this deal today in consideration and will wait until the end of trade period.

On the whole it is Okish and I thank Richard Douglas for taking what could have been a whole season of McGovern and us trading into pick 1 if Mitch hadn't missed most of this season. If we trade into pick 4 and keep 8 and pick 20ish, then it has been a decent trade period

 

[Sanders]

As much I am disappoint, it does seem a not so dissimilar bounty to what we got for danger

 

[Jeffcrowe]

On a negative. What we have set up now is a situation where a contracted player at our club can just nominate a club to move to and expect it to happen.

So have many other clubs have too

This is the new normal in the AFL

Many players getting traded this year are in contract and we wanted to get this done in the end

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Out of curiosity, do you know where WC took Ryan in the draft?

Pick 26

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So just on that, what would you have asked for Curnow?

Pick 13 and a VFL player would have been enough? I cant see Carlton saying yes to that.

So as I say, I think the deal is fairly even. I would rather have kept Gov if he was happy to stay but he wanted money in the end.

I think if he was committed to us all of us would have preferred he stay - no doubt

 

[macca23]

That is highly unlikely and regardless you're talking as if first round draft picks are guaranteed to be quality AFL players. We've traded a guaranteed quality AFL key position player (which don't grow on trees) for pick 13 and a mature age recruit which may not even play AFL footy. Plus we gave away pick 40. It's just a shit deal unless McAdam would have went at pick 20ish, which he wouldn't have.

Did you hear Justin Reid on 5aa tonight?

He was asked that very question and his answer was that Adelaide believed that McAdam would have gone somewhere between 15 and 20 in the draft.

On that basis they have valued McAdam as a pick 20.

Time will tell if you are a better judge of a player than the AFC - or not.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Pick 26

If it was on pure talent he would have gone a fair bit higher

There were many question marks over his character and in some ways he has proven those questions correct . He lives on the edge off field

He missed interviews and even a combine at one stage . Just didn’t turn up and his off field stuff is legendary

 

[Jeffcrowe]

As much I am disappoint, it does seem a not so dissimilar bounty to what we got for danger

We are all disappointed not to have Mitch fit firing and happy with us

Even me Sanders

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If it was on pure talent he would have gone a fair bit higher

There were many question marks over his character and in some ways he has proven those questions correct . He lives on the edge off field

He missed interviews and even a combine at one stage . Just didn’t turn up and his off field stuff is legendary

I can understand year 1 at the Eagles, putting his best foot forward ....year 2 will be very interesting to observe Ryan

 

[SaltPeter]

For a bit of laugh I did a few quick comparisons (and simplistic) based on where McAdam could be rated and the value of McGovern as a result

Firstly, if McAdam was rated at pick 40, McGovern is valued at pick 13




Secondly, if McAdam was rated at pick 30, McGovern is rated at pick 10



And lastly, if McAdam was rated at pick 20, McGovern was rated at pick 7