Nar McGovern will shape the Shiel trade
Mitch McGovern (please read OP)
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Reality is it all depends on how desperately you want one of those SA boys. With the GC looking pretty set on taking pick 2&3 to the draft (now they can pick 3 mature players which most of us thought was a smart idea) and Carlton not budging (at this stage) on pick 1 if we really want a high pick SA boy we must have pick 4 otherwise we simply take best available when our picks come around. This is where the club saying they want Luk and are prepared to make it happen will now look stupid. Unless those boys can convince the GC not to pick them because they will want out in 2 years (and I dont believe that will happen) we will miss the two prime candidates. Pity.
They’re so deluted, they’re not in a position to say they don’t need him. They need him badly along with a lot more
This is what makes trade time so fun. Supporters spend weeks arguing amongst each other, coming up with all sorts of crazy scenarios and when trade time finally rolls along, it turns out that most of BigFooty doesn't know shit and didn't even come close.
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Don’t think he really has a choice if he wishes to play any footy for 2 years.
But we just know they will roll over and accept some junk. We really don’t have a spine as a club.
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The club have said that officially? Or the media have reported that?
All I was aware they'd said in relation to the SA boys that everything was on the table re this draft but not specifically for any one player.
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Any deal for Mitch McGovern will be done with an eye for advancing the draft order. If we end up with a mid 1st rounder + extras for him (how carlton manufacture that is up to them if they won't part with pick 1 as part of any trade deal), it would leave us with (after GC compo), picks 8, 12/13 (hopefully), 16, 20 & 38. If we really really want Luko, it may be that the club offers up Picks 8, 13 & 20 to GC to get pick 2 to get Luko. that would leave us with pick 2 & pick 16 - that is Lukosius and a Hately level player that the club has identified + the pick 38 to get a hamish special. I honestly think the club would do that..can the convince GC to part with pick 2 - hopefully
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Yep, and after dozens of threads and hundreds of pages of posts, I have never seen one clubs posters convince another clubs posters that they’re right with their evaluation of a players worth. Yet they still go at it.
What were the absurd AFL penalties for the continual brown paper bags? Carlton have never adapted to the salary cap/ draft system of the AFL era.
No doubt you meant deluded, but on the slim chance you meant diluted you still wouldn't be wrong because they're certainly not concentrated.
On the subject of McGovern, here is my thoughts on trade value.
I reckon he's worth a bit more than Cameron was. A tall marking forward that can also play back, with a heap of speed and ability to pressure is worth more than a gun small forward with a heap of speed and ability to pressure. In this case not much more though, only a tiny bit.
I think Cameron's worth was probably about 15-18, plus with being contracted we get a bit of overs, pick 12 might have even been a tiny bit too much, but its the closest they had, 13-14 would've been ok. Gov's probably worth about 13-16 plus with 2 years contract he's got to get that overs plus even a bit more. That puts him about 10-12.
If we want to get inside the top 10 with gov, we have to package something with him. Not saying we will. I can only see three clubs with lower picks than us that might budge, GC if they get a second pick, Freo with only 1 pick inside 60 and Saints with only 1 pick up the top (not sure when their next is but its a way back).
I reckon he's worth a bit more than Cameron was. A tall marking forward that can also play back, with a heap of speed and ability to pressure is worth more than a gun small forward with a heap of speed and ability to pressure. In this case not much more though, only a tiny bit.
I think Cameron's worth was probably about 15-18, plus with being contracted we get a bit of overs, pick 12 might have even been a tiny bit too much, but its the closest they had, 13-14 would've been ok. Gov's probably worth about 13-16 plus with 2 years contract he's got to get that overs plus even a bit more. That puts him about 10-12.
If we want to get inside the top 10 with gov, we have to package something with him. Not saying we will. I can only see three clubs with lower picks than us that might budge, GC if they get a second pick, Freo with only 1 pick inside 60 and Saints with only 1 pick up the top (not sure when their next is but its a way back).
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Except the car wasn’t for sale, but they offered the car a good home and washes everyday, showing they really do want the car. Now they know the price of the car they’ve shit their pants, which has put them in an awkward position because the car wants to go home with them.
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We can allocate what we feel is a fair value. Of course so can you. But there will need to be middle ground. I doubt you’ll be getting what you all on here believe to fair coz no club is paying a top 10 pick for him. And I doubt he will be playing with you guys in 2019. Look at the Jake stringer deal for comparison. And he’s no name atringer either. So expect an early second or maybe 2 mid seconds at best.
The club would be stupid to do that I would rather use those picks and have a good spread of draftees than 1 possible player who could do an acl
It’s not trolling, you posted an opinion. However, as a Carlton supporter you of all people should understand how risky the high draft picks are, God knows you’ve had enough of them that have failed to deliver on their junior promise. McGovern is freakishly talented and could be a rare commodity in that he can swing between forward and back. They are as rare as rocking horse shit.
As for the SA boys, my preferences in order: Rankine, Lukosius, Rozee, Hately. But would take McGovern over all of them. That’s my opinion.
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You guys are clueless, we don’t have to trade him. And yes he will suit up next year for us if he wants to be paid which seems like is his primary motivation outside kfc.
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I was just making the point if the club wanted Luko that badly, they could come up with a trade deal that is just too good for GC and that would be the one I would think with possible picks we will have
Only got one thing to say to Carlton fans. “Bend over and brace yourselves, this is going to hurt.”
Go eat some porridge mate
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You ended up valuing him at pick 7 btw. Take into account point value for all the picks included.
Blues fans are hilarious. Why do they keep mentioning Stringer? Are they completely oblivious to the fact that it wasn't a typical trade on account of JS off-field antics and that it doesn't make a fair point of comparison. 
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