Traded Mitch McGovern [traded to Carlton in a three-way trade involving Sydney and McAdam]

[bmaurizio]

Posted this a few weeks ago saying McAdam would be a crow.

Must be at least a future 3rd rounder coming back to Carlton, certainly a pick from Adelaide and even the chance of a little change from Sydney as well.

Surely Pick 13 would've done it at alone if push came to shove and I truly believe my mail was correct that teams rated McAdam very highly. He's certainly rated higher than the kid Geelong gave pick 42 for, if not in the 20's then at least early 30's. Think the Crows would easily throw in a future 3rd to get him if the needed to.

Either way the Crows have done very well here and I reckon they're one to watch with live trading now. They could move up on draft night as a South Australian falls.

Yup there should be at least a future Crow 3rd returning and a little something from the Swans. I'm happy with the acquisition I think he's a gun Mitch, Charlie and Harry will keep most back lines very busy.

 

[btdg]

Blues have done quite well. i think those picks were part of the deal with the dogs last year, and McAdam is a freebie.

If you wrap everything up, the Bulldogs trade came from picks we had from the Gibbs trade

So all up:

Carlton get: Lochie O'Brien (pick 10 last year), Matt Kennedy, Mitch McGovern, Tom De Koning (pick 30 last year)

Adelaide get: Bryce Gibbs, picks 23 and 41 this year (after downgrades), Shane McAdam

Or another way, McGovern and Kennedy for Gibbs and Madam, and we upgraded pick 23 to 10, and pick 41 to 30 (and got the picks a year earloer)

That's assuming there's no other bits and pieces involved here though

 

[beta_condition]

Adelaide pulling a Ned Kelly if they can get pick 14 for Mitch McGovern

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If the trade goes through as reported, I will admit I was wrong about the Crows not valuing McAdam. Rumours are that he was favoured by Marty Mattner, Sturt's former senior coach and now an assistant at Adelaide.

Aside from that though, I got my prediction dead on. (just in case any of you cheeky bastards try to claim I thought we'd get two firsts)

"This is more or less what I think too. They will package up a bunch of picks into a mid-first rounder to make it palatable for Adelaide. I can't see how this trade gets done otherwise."

(Post #7712)

 

[Blues_Man]

We dont need revenge you already gifted us Betts

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is Betts playing on ? Not as if he's helped you win anything

 

[Bearded Clam]

Ol’ mates Bearded Clam and Crow til I Die will be disappointed they didn’t get the 2x first rounders they were sure they would get. This feels like a huge win for Carlton after all the posturing that went on.

???.... I’ve been saying pick 12... so ease up with the rubbish...

 

[StonesThrow]

I feel it'll end up a pretty even deal with hopefully that 2019 3rd going back our way.

Very pleased to have Mitch at Carlton, guy can seriously play and has only shown a small portion of what he can do.

He's actually shown a lot of what he can do. Obviously an elite mark, knows where the goals are, quick, likes tackling, a great field kick on both feet.

He's just been unlucky with injury and hasn't had continuity. Pick 13 for him is excellent value given the potential pay off. I would much rather keep him but unfortunately he wants out.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

I love the back tracking of the Crows supporters in this thread. The past 320 pages he was better than Lever and contracted for another two years, so 2x 1st round picks or GTFO.

Now they’re saying his value is around 19 or mid 2nd round pick plus McAdam.

Oh Big Footy, don’t change.

When did the first part happen? People said they wanted to keep McGovern over lever though

 

[CrowEater888]

So the deal is (?):

Crows get 13 from the Swans and McAdam from Sturt.

Carlton get Gov, but lose 26 and 28 to the Swans who use these two picks for academy points.

Seems like a win win for everyone.

 

[Juddernaut08]

They're always odd deals when the points system is involved because one club is playing for different stakes.

They have something they have no use for and everyone else is clamouring for. The Swans were called in in similar circumstances to be the circuit breaker in the Carlisle deal too

Smart man. All trades can be win wins. The losers are the other clubs who dont get any benefit.

Club 1 could win and Club 2 could still be happy with a smaller win.

Club1: big win, big improvement
Club2: small win, small improvement
Club3-18: no win

 

[Caj]

So the deal is (?):

Crows get 13 from the Swans and McAdam from Sturt.

Carlton get Gov, but lose 26 and 28 to the Swans who use these two picks for academy points.

Seems like a win win for everyone.

Pretty meh for the Swans

We bend over to accomodate other teams with no significant benefit for ourselves as per usual

 

[Juddernaut08]

Pretty meh for the Swans

We bend over to accomodate other teams with no significant benefit for ourselves as per usual

So what? Would you rather get nothing? If you do 10 trades of incremental benefit, you get large benefits.

It's how the bookies do it.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Pretty meh for the Swans

We bend over to accomodate other teams with no significant benefit for ourselves as per usual

I thought the afl tried stamping out stockpiling later picks for early bids. I cant remember but im pretty sure.

Swans are fair at the table not a bad result considering the academy prospects.

 

[mattymac]

Pretty meh for the Swans

We bend over to accomodate other teams with no significant benefit for ourselves as per usual

Carlton should really let Sydney teabag them for the help.

Silvani was coming out looking pretty silly if he couldn't get that first rounder

 

[Shaz2012]

Pretty meh for the Swans

We bend over to accomodate other teams with no significant benefit for ourselves as per usual

Maybe Hamish promised not to bid on Blakey. That could be worth a few hundred points to you guys on top of the two you get out of the trade.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Pretty meh for the Swans

We bend over to accomodate other teams with no significant benefit for ourselves as per usual

I thought the article on afl.com said you essentially getting an extra 500 points. Will significantly help get Blakey without compromising later picks or even prevent deficiet

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

That's already done and dusted. May be some details to tidy up, but it's done.

Future second and perhaps some small steak knives is my guess. Maybe 42, but I believe that number is part of a whole new thing we have not heard about yet.

Well now we keep our future first we may be willing to part with a future 2nd which makes a bit of sense

 

[TheMase]

I thought the article on afl.com said you essentially getting an extra 500 points. Will significantly help get Blakey without compromising later picks or even prevent deficiet

By my count we get an extra 194 points.

Pretty minor for a trade that we are helping broker that has not much at all to do with us.

I do hope then that there is no further free agency compo as it could get further diluted.

 

[TheMase]

Yup there should be at least a future Crow 3rd returning and a little something from the Swans. I'm happy with the acquisition I think he's a gun Mitch, Charlie and Harry will keep most back lines very busy.

With a small gain of 194 points for brokering a trade that has nothing to do with us, why exactly should we be giving up something extra?

If anything something small should be coming our way...

 

[TheMase]

I thought the afl tried stamping out stockpiling later picks for early bids. I cant remember but im pretty sure.

Swans are fair at the table not a bad result considering the academy prospects.

You can only have as many drink picks as list spots available. We always run one less on the list anyway, so that helps, plus we have a number of vacancies at the moment as well as a number of out of contract players that are yet to be signed.

Those two picks should cover us with discount up to around pick 6.

 

[SickQwon]

Seems like a fair trade for a contracted player to me.

Well played by all clubs involved.

 

[1970crow]

Very reasonable. Now for facts.

1. Carlton did NOT knock on your door and ask to buy your house. To stretch your inadequate metaphor the house said it wanted the Blues to live in it, not you.

2. A late 1st rounder is at least equal to or less than one of our low second rounders plus McAdam. With perhaps some trimmings either way that is the deal.

3. The result would be a win for the Crows as:

(a) they are losing a player of a type they have great depth in - Lynch, Ottens, Himmelberg, Kelly + McAdam himself.

(b) they are getting reasonable compensation in a supposedly strong draft for the risk that McAdam is not, long term, as good or better than MM.

(c) you don't have a player on your list who objectively is not happy to be there.

4. The result would be a win for the Blues as we do not need more chances at draft roulette - we have enough invested in that already. We do need ready to go AFL footballers and MM is certainly that.

5. The result would be a win for MM, obviously.

Aren't they now talking about pick 13 from the Swans plus McAdam? On (a), I'll admit that I know very little of McAdam, but what I do know is that non of the first 4 names are even close to being depth for McGovern. Lynch is a hard running downhill skiier that completely goes to water when he needs to win his own ball in a contested situation. Otten is super slow and a very average forward. He's only decent depth playing as an undersized KPD. Himmelberg is a big lad and looks like becoming a decent KPF/pinch hit ruck, but he doesn't cover the ground like Gov. Not sure who you're referring to, but if it's Jake Kelly, then he's not even close to being depth for Gov, slow across the ground, average in the air and momentum suicide with ball in hand. I'd just about delist him straight out, I think he needs to go to a club that wants a tagger, it's the only way I see his career lasting.

You're severely underrating Gov if you think that any of those 4 are close to being a replacement for him. I understand that he's yet to put it all together for an entire year, but if he does, which I'm confident he will, he's going to be a top liner.

 

[kickballfoot]

Seems like a really good WIN/WIN deal for both teams - kinda like the Gibbs deal last year.

 

[marty36]

Seems like a really good WIN/WIN deal for both teams - kinda like the Gibbs deal last year.

like Gibbs last year a contracted player doesn't come cheap, there are no steals when they are contracted

 

[Juddernaut08]

Feels like it ended up being Gibbs plus McAdam for McGovern and pick 10.

Win-Win...we get pick 10 and a young decent player with potential. They get a superstar but who is 29 and fits their window of contention.