More proof that Non Victorian sides need more benefits

[SweetLeftFoot]

What a bunch of whingers.

North lost a dual premiership playing B=F in Peter Bell simply coz he wanted to go home. We also lost Motlop, although I remain mystified as to how Port Adelaide can be considered home when it is a continent away from darwin.

Anyway, we just went ahead and did the deals - players and picks etc.

Bloody whinging west Australians.

Victorian clubs take a risk when they draft WA boys, you take a risk when you draft Vics.

 

[thewest]

Please let it be known that most WCE supprters do not agree with this ridiculous thread.

That is all.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Please let it be known that most WCE supprters do not agree with this ridiculous thread.

That is all.

Fair enough.

As a poster above said, interstate clubs actually have an advantage in this.

When a WA boy leaves melbourne, Freo/WCE have a 50/50 chance of getting him, same in SA.

When a Vic wants to come home to melbourne, we've got a 1/9 chance.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Give us back Gavin Wanganeen and we'll think about it.

 

[anubis]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he wanted to go to Collingwood.Mcallister the president at the time and the board said they didn't want him there because he was too much of a risk(being reported wise).

It works both ways. The Swans got Tony Lockett because he wanted to move away from Melbourne due to the amount of media focusing on him. Lockett was happier in Sydney where the media didnt pay as much attention to his every move.

Of course the Swans have lost players like Grant and Rocca because they wanted to go back to Victoria.

 

[anubis]

or was Rose the president ummm

 

[anubis]

Of course the Swans have lost players like Grant and Rocca because they wanted to go back to Victoria

we won't even start on Nick Davis

 

[Scotland]

What a bunch of whingers.

North lost a dual premiership playing B=F in Peter Bell simply coz he wanted to go home. We also lost Motlop, although I remain mystified as to how Port Adelaide can be considered home when it is a continent away from darwin.

Anyway, we just went ahead and did the deals - players and picks etc.

Bloody whinging west Australians.

Victorian clubs take a risk when they draft WA boys, you take a risk when you draft Vics.

The thread starter is a muppet. Don't lump all WC supporters or all Western Australians with him.

Judd, Gehrig and Andrew Williams are the only Victorians I recall leaving West Coast in recent memory. Other than Judas, one was a hack anyway and the the other netted us Kerr. Not all bad. Wirrpanda, Morrison & Braun had long careers with us, and Selwood & Hansen are senior players at the club. Victorians rarely leave WC. Judd did, but that was because he was a mercenary, not a Victorian.

West Coast got bent over with Judd because he nominated one club and a combination of the AFL's draft rules and inability/disinterest in policing payments outside the cap factored into WC accepting an under the odds trade.

If Judd had simple been up for auction, West Coast would have cleaned up due to the fact he is Victorian. 10 clubs bidding for the AFL's best midfielder sounds better than 2 to me. If Warnock is happy to go to a number of clubs, Freo could well find themselves in a pretty handy position at the trade table.

Obviously no-one wants to lose Judd, Warnock, Bell or whoever, but did Geelong want to lose Colbert? Richmond Ottens? Hawks Rawlings? Obviously the circumstances of these trades were all different but players ask to leave clubs for grounds other than geography.

 

[The 747]

The same thing happened to West Coast last year but hurt them a million times more. Chris Judd returned to Melbourne for "family reasons"

Solution? Well from memory in the early 90's if players left clubs they were compensated with a preliminary pick. Why not bring this back into play?
The Eagles' should have been compensated better than what they were with the Judd deal. The AFL should have granted them with an additonal pick for what he was worth eg: The best young player in the draft. If for instance say Braun wanted to return to Victoria last year, we would only get a late pick from 50 >onwards.
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This argument fails on many levels, the main Judd related one is that he was out of contract. He did not agree to continue with the Eagles and therefore was no longer an asset of the Eagles.

What the Eagles had was the ability to send Judd to the club of his choice and Judd was happy for them to do so, because he had a preferred club. It is only because he had a preferred club the Eagles got anything for him at all.

The Eagles drafted a Victorian and they were well aware his preference was to remain in Victoria. Delivered a Brownlow medal, a Norm Smith medal and captained the side to a premiership. More than a fair trade off.

Your other point about getting the best young player in the draft is ludicrous. What would stop the Eagles then trading that young player after a few years (Brownlow, Norm Smith, premiership captain) and getting another one? Then after a few years (Brownlow, Norm Smith, premiership captain) trading and getting another?

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

stop picking victorians

That was my thought.
However. Wirrpanda, Braun.
Judd would prob still be there if the club hadnt self imploded.

Interstate sides get plenty of benefits. Particularly the Adelaide and Perth sides.
They dont need anymore.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Obviously no-one wants to lose Judd, Warnock, Bell or whoever, but did Geelong want to lose Colbert? Richmond Ottens? Hawks Rawlings? Obviously the circumstances of these trades were all different but players ask to leave clubs for grounds other than geography.

This is precisely the point. Good post.

Oh, and the way Judd handled himself through that whole thing was just sickening. God I hate his holier than bloody thou persona when in reality, he behaved in very mercenary and self serving way.

Nothing wrong with that, just don't go acting like the Green Jesus if you do.

 

[dan warna]

i think its just players wanting to leave Freo.

the only ones who want to go there are those who can't hack hard work.

des headcase, too lazy for the matthews system, gets 500k for 2 games a year at freo, same with farmer, and heath black.

hard work? no way! i got to freo for the 500k!

 

[CursoryMercenary]

It happens to non-victorian sides more so but I guess Victorian sides should be entitled to compensation too I guess.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

That was my thought.
However. Wirrpanda, Braun.
Judd would prob still be there if the club hadnt self imploded.

Interstate sides get plenty of benefits. Particularly the Adelaide and Perth sides.
They dont need anymore.

What benefits could you possibly be on about?

 

[CursoryMercenary]

This argument fails on many levels, the main Judd related one is that he was out of contract. He did not agree to continue with the Eagles and therefore was no longer an asset of the Eagles.

What the Eagles had was the ability to send Judd to the club of his choice and Judd was happy for them to do so, because he had a preferred club. It is only because he had a preferred club the Eagles got anything for him at all.

The Eagles drafted a Victorian and they were well aware his preference was to remain in Victoria. Delivered a Brownlow medal, a Norm Smith medal and captained the side to a premiership. More than a fair trade off.

Your other point about getting the best young player in the draft is ludicrous. What would stop the Eagles then trading that young player after a few years (Brownlow, Norm Smith, premiership captain) and getting another one? Then after a few years (Brownlow, Norm Smith, premiership captain) trading and getting another?

Its just the proper compensation we should have got.

We don't trade good players unless they want to leave, thats happened 1.5 times to us in our history. Judd and Gehrig who was half good.

 

[skipjack]

So Robbie Warnock leaves Fremantle to return to his home of Melbourne for "family reasons"

The same thing happened to West Coast last year but hurt them a million times more. Chris Judd returned to Melbourne for "family reasons"

Firstly. Ridiculous thread.

Secondly - Warnock's "family reasons" is code for "not getting a game".

Judd's "family reasons" was code for "I want to get as far away from this club as I can, and I know that I can make a bucket-load of cash doing it".

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Can any West Coast supporter explain to me on here what Judd owed to the club? Was he a line ball rookie that you took a chance on and nurtured? No. He was a gun from the start, was always going to be, you're just lucky he lasted until pick 3 (priority for being no good for a season). Was only some doubt on his shoulders that allowed you to get him.

 

[tandino]

For instance Buddy Franklin is unlikely to leave Victoria ever to come back to WA because of the night life and big city life of Melbourne but if he was a Victorian living in WA , he would be more likely to leave because Perth and other cities around Australia can't compete with Melbourne on those levels.

So Fremantle and West Coast should be compensated because Perth is a shitter city then Melbourne? It's a national competition mate. Players criss cross from coast to coast every draft. That's just the way it is.

Now I've officially heard everything on these boards.

 

[SellarStardom]

stupid!! West Coast supporters (and I live in Perth) still can't get over that their team is crap and will be for a while and now want compensation. Basic facts, WC had three of the best midfielders going around and a lot of average players that were made to look good. One left, ones a tool and the other is a crack head. Now the team is showing its form of having a slow midfield and an average defense.

Adelaide has lost players back to Vic, gained back from Vic and have Van Berlo (Western Australia) as the next captain, Knights and Reily holding up the midfield (Vico), Tippett and Moran as the new big man highlights (Gold Coast) and if we can't make them feel at home and want to leave its the clubs fault.

 

[The Passenger]

It is only because he had a preferred club the Eagles got anything for him at all.

i can't work that logic out. if he hadn't have nominated a club, or even if he had've given us a list of four clubs we could deal with, and said go for it we would've had a bidding war and cleaned up.

but that's pretty unusual. most players who get traded go to the club of their choice or are happy to be traded to that club - at the end of the day if a player is still under contract they still have to sign a contract with the new club and can easily so stuff you to their current club.

i'd imagine it exceptionally for a club to say we are trading you and you'll end up with whatever club we strike a deal with... maybe occasionally occur to off contract players who want to keep their career going.

anyway, in the end we did ok out of the judd deal. probably slight unders but because he was off contract it was always going to be that way.

 

[greennick]

Fair enough.

As a poster above said, interstate clubs actually have an advantage in this.

When a WA boy leaves melbourne, Freo/WCE have a 50/50 chance of getting him, same in SA.

When a Vic wants to come home to melbourne, we've got a 1/9 chance.

But we have to compete with Freo! The only time we have ever picked up players is when Freo has already committed all its picks (ie when we got Stenglein all their picks were already going to Port for Carr). Trust me, you have it easy compared to us!

 

[greennick]

stupid!! West Coast supporters (and I live in Perth) still can't get over that their team is crap and will be for a while and now want compensation. Basic facts, WC had three of the best midfielders going around and a lot of average players that were made to look good. One left, ones a tool and the other is a crack head. Now the team is showing its form of having a slow midfield and an average defense.

I think most of us have come to terms with it. Hell, most WC supporters in this thread have been against the OP.

We aren't too worried, we have a young list and some good kids. We'll win another premiership before your mob.

 

[And_ROOS]

I think if a player wants to use a cop out excuse like going home, then nominates the club, said club should have to give something extra like a fee and trade picks. How fair is it a club puts all this work into a player then he decides to be a sulk and want to return home?

Fair enough if both clubs mutually agree to the player leaving, or if the club no longer require the player (thats a different topic though, see Geelong/King) but basically Freo are held to ransom. Warnock could end up elsewhere for free, thats not fair on Fremantle at all.

 

[erical]

Tell that to North Melbourne. Daniel Motlop was one of Port's best this season.

And who says Warnock wants to leave for family reasons? I would've thought the reason he wants to leave is for more opportunity. Sandilands is number one at Freo and will be most of his career.

Daniel Motlop is from Darwin not Adelaide.Three thousand km's apart

 

[Papa G]

What a bunch of whingers.

North lost a dual premiership playing B=F in Peter Bell simply coz he wanted to go home. We also lost Motlop, although I remain mystified as to how Port Adelaide can be considered home when it is a continent away from darwin.

Yes but in his defense, I think he asked to come over around the time the Ghan rail link to Darwin was completed.