More proof that Non Victorian sides need more benefits

[BK Eaglesfan]

Silly thread. If history shows we got screwed on the Judd deal (and we won't know for a few years yet when Masten and Kennedy develop and play regular footy), it will solely be that Judd screwed us, not Victoria.

The 'go home' factor works both ways, as has already been pointed out with the likes of Stenglein and co. Then you have a situation where Carr came home but has changed his mind on where home is and wants to go back to Adelaide.

The only part of the OP that has any relevance, is that yes Perth sucks in comparison to Melbourne. I'm a West Aussie born and bred, went to Melbourne for a few years then came home. One of the worst decisions I've ever made. Even my enjoyment for footy isn't what it was over there. Sold out memberships so you can never go anyway, and a media so biased and with such blanket coverage of two teams that I'm sick of hearing about my own team.

A deal for Warnock hasn't even been done, so before we scream blue murder about a system that disadvantages W.A clubs, how about waiting until we see what Fremantle get and hope Warnock doesn't attempt to bend them over Judd style.

 

[Ant_]

What a bunch of whingers.

North lost a dual premiership playing B=F in Peter Bell simply coz he wanted to go home. We also lost Motlop, although I remain mystified as to how Port Adelaide can be considered home when it is a continent away from darwin.

Anyway, we just went ahead and did the deals - players and picks etc.

Bloody whinging west Australians.

Victorian clubs take a risk when they draft WA boys, you take a risk when you draft Vics.

In a nutshell SLF.

Harden the **** up West Australians.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

What benefits could you possibly be on about?

You are the only teams that get 11 real home ground advantages a year.
Guaranteed massive membership, equates to massive $ in the coffers, which in turn guarantees the best facilities and the eternal ability to pay 100% of the salary cap.
Dont have to fight anywhere near as hard for the corporate dollar.

Above is in regard to SA and WA clubs.
The other 2 will always be propped up by the AFL.

I'm interested to hear the disadvantages other than regular travel, which in turn is an advantage as u are used to it.

 

[worthy]

McPharlin? Jarman?

Hawks won't agree with your assessment.

Add Ben Allan to that, as someone else stated, it works both ways.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Add Ben Allan to that, as someone else stated, it works both ways.

And then add Tony Hall.

 

[BEEG]

Thats crap

I think free agency should come into the AFL
If you spend 5 Years at a club which is a long enough service you should beable to go to any club of choice after those 5 years are done

Under these rules Judd would of walked for nothing

Jono Brown stayed his Vic boy Judd just chased the dollers and was sick of dealing with WC crap

 

[W.C. Fry]

Can any West Coast supporter explain to me on here what Judd owed to the club? Was he a line ball rookie that you took a chance on and nurtured? No. He was a gun from the start, was always going to be, you're just lucky he lasted until pick 3 (priority for being no good for a season). Was only some doubt on his shoulders that allowed you to get him.

Would love to see Joel Selwood decide, after winning a few flags with Geelong, to quit the club and come play with his brothers. Could quote your above crap word for word.

As for the OP - you're an idiot. When was the last time there was an all Vic grand final? 2000. Until last year a Vic team hadn't even made the grand final since 2003.

 

[_Interpol_]

So Robbie Warnock leaves Fremantle to return to his home of Melbourne for "family reasons"

The same thing happened to West Coast last year but hurt them a million times more. Chris Judd returned to Melbourne for "family reasons"...............

1 - Judd left because the eagles were a joke

2.

2001 Premiers: Brisbane
2002 Premiers: Brisbane
2003 Premiers: Brisbane
2004 Premiers: Port Adelaide
2005 Premiers: Sydney
2006 Premiers: West Coast

I think you interstate clubs are doing just fine, and you want MORE help? Each state has won a flag in the past 7 years. Port had another chance in 07. Lions had another in 04. And 04 05 06 was all i/s clubs

Pi$$ off, you ask for more handouts than the Roos, Dogs and Demons do.

Just because you suck now, you want more from the AFL?

How about Heath Black leaving St Kilda to GO HOME - our compensation was Aaron F****** Fiora. Deal with it, it happens everywhere.

 

[MarkT]

It's just another prime example that clubs outside Victoria can't compete on the same level as clubs from Victoria. Players from Victoria always have the option to leave to go home while players who get drafted by a Victorian club from interstate never really want to leave because the lifestyle is too good.

Seems odd that you’d this argument when 50% of the payers are taken from Victoria but 62.5% of the teams are Victorian. That would suggest the opposite to what you say is true. I suspect you are not being 100% serious but if you are then factually are you off them mark. Plenty of WA and SA players return and there are only 2 clubs to bid for them.

In the end it is all irrelevant. We have a controlled player market and anyone leaving goes up for trade. If there is a problem it is the pre season draft that gives the bottom club or two bargaining power for being crap. As I keep saying, you shouldn’t have a reverse ladder draft. Make it a rolling order for the ND and lottery for PSD once all nominations are in.

As a general rule, good clubs lose a lot less players than ordinary clubs. WCE didn’t lose many Victorians until they fell apart internally. Freo have been a rubbish club from day 1. Port and Adelaide don’t lose many. The odd one like anyone else does. Brisbane lost players when they were a farce but when they got their act their act together they kept players and same goes for Sydney. Salary caps may help or may not depending on where you sit but fundamentally people stay at quality organisations.

 

[11sjw]

Tell that to North Melbourne. Daniel Motlop was one of Port's best this season.

And who says Warnock wants to leave for family reasons? I would've thought the reason he wants to leave is for more opportunity. Sandilands is number one at Freo and will be most of his career.

Quoted through the media as saying it was for "family reasons."

Could someone tell the WCE fans who feel hard done by to get over it already?

 

[re cat]

I want Nick Davis back.

I think you might get him back for nothing now

 

[DockersMad]

What a bunch of whingers.

North lost a dual premiership playing B=F in Peter Bell simply coz he wanted to go home. We also lost Motlop, although I remain mystified as to how Port Adelaide can be considered home when it is a continent away from darwin.

Anyway, we just went ahead and did the deals - players and picks etc.

Bloody whinging west Australians.

Victorian clubs take a risk when they draft WA boys, you take a risk when you draft Vics.

In a nutshell SLF.

Harden the **** up West Australians.

Just back up a bit guys. Do you see any Fremantle supporters in here whinging?

Don't lump us in with the other mob just because some snivelling snot bag mentions us in his post.

I disagree with the OP on many points. Warnock may very well be going home for family reasons but its most likely for a greater opportunity to play. Judd definitely went home to escape the filth, you can't really blame either of them. Plus, Perth is a way better place to live than Melbourne, you just have to experience the climate and lifestyle to know that. If a raging nightlife is what you need to attain fulfilment then you shouldn't be playing AFL anyway.

 

[Ant_]

Just back up a bit guys. Do you see any Fremantle supporters in here whinging?

Don't lump us in with the other mob just because some snivelling snot bag mentions us in his post.

I disagree with the OP on many points. Warnock may very well be going home for family reasons but its most likely for a greater opportunity to play. Judd definitely went home to escape the filth, you can't really blame either of them. Plus, Perth is a way better place to live than Melbourne, you just have to experience the climate and lifestyle to know that. If a raging nightlife is what you need to attain fulfilment then you shouldn't be playing AFL anyway.

Fair enough

Will, Harden the **** up West Coast Eagles supporters do?

Oh and the bit in bold you might want to tell the Eagles players that one.

 

[W.C. Fry]

Fair enough

Will, Harden the **** up West Coast Eagles supporters do?

Oh and the bit in bold you might want to tell the Eagles players that one.

Try Harden the **** up sdb4884.

I dont see anyone else agreeing with him.

 

[Ant_]

Try Harden the **** up sdb4884.

I dont see anyone else agreeing with him.

Lol should I back track again.

 

[Mattman93]

Re: Warnock Leaves - More proof that Non Victorian sides need more benefits

Yep, the best player in the competition wasnt even worth the best 18 year old in the country - more than fair

There are other issues at play here. 10 Victorian teams means that most Vic kids grow up with a view that they will play in Vic. Most get their way. ALL players from other states grow up knowing that the likelihood of playing at "home" is small. They are prepared to leave home mentally from probably age 15.

Vic players who do end up "interstate" (and half the psychology of this is contained in the use by ALL Vics of the term interstate) can usually count on 2 or 3 Vic teams low on the ladder, usually one is last and that means they can nominate "going home for family reasons" absolutely 100% confident that they will, at worst, get home via the PSD which puts enough pressure on to ensure their current club grants their wish and trades them.

WA/SA teams are rarely at the bottom (maybe Freo ) and WA & SA guys dont have the luxury of the PSD threat - I mean if you wanted to go gome to Port this year you would have to hope that the Dees, WC & Freo pass you up in the PSD - gives you less leverage and that coupled with the knowledge from age 15 that you will likely play away is enough to keep you away.

Honestly, its a massive advantage for Vic players wanting to go home - that coupled with Vic metro seeming to have a lot of mummies boys is a problem.

Couldnt agree more - what is it with the term interstate, it is a classic example of how the vics think the afl revolves around them. Every team in the afl is interstate you twats

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

If you are Victorian and you are not in Victoria then where are you?

Its easier to say than non victorian!

You can call all teams outside of WA or SA interstate if u like. Wont bother me.

 

[Ant_]

Re: Warnock Leaves - More proof that Non Victorian sides need more benefits

Couldnt agree more - what is it with the term interstate, it is a classic example of how the vics think the afl revolves around them. Every team in the afl is interstate you twats

More whinging, face it the AFL is the VFL with a different name and a few extra teams.

 

[X_box_X]

Re: Warnock Leaves - More proof that Non Victorian sides need more benefits

Yep, the best player in the competition wasnt even worth the best 18 year old in the country - more than fair

West Coast had the chance to draft the best 18-year-old in the draft with pick three, and elected to go for someone else, so that's a lie.

 

[krusden]

stop picking victorians

The only way Non-Victorian clubs could stop this potentially is to employ the use of a psych test and only pick people who are clinically proven not to be close to their family.
Don't know how you would do such a test however

 

[Geoffa32]

The system works

Since 1998 (the last decade) every "interstate" club bar the basket case Fremantle has won a flag. With interstate sides winning 7 of the last 10 flags.

The three Victorian clubs that have won flags have needed to be very strong sides to win. North had a good period from 1996-99 when Carey at peak. Essendon in 00-01 were a very strong side as are Geelong now, who could possibly be the strongest side yet.

It is Premierships above anything else that measures clubs success.

 

[Zvim]

People don't want to leave teams that they are happy with and that are performing well.

When you start to perform below expectation it is a lot easier to go. Did Judd leave when the Eagles were in premiership form or were struggling badly?

If Hawks couldn't make the finals year after year while Eagles and Freo were flag contenders then Hawks would have a very hard time holding onto Franklin.

The key is to not suck.

 

[shoe]

So Robbie Warnock leaves Fremantle to return to his home of Melbourne for "family reasons"

The same thing happened to West Coast last year but hurt them a million times more. Chris Judd returned to Melbourne for "family reasons"

It's just another prime example that clubs outside Victoria can't compete on the same level as clubs from Victoria. Players from Victoria always have the option to leave to go home while players who get drafted by a Victorian club from interstate never really want to leave because the lifestyle is too good.

For instance Buddy Franklin is unlikely to leave Victoria ever to come back to WA because of the night life and big city life of Melbourne but if he was a Victorian living in WA , he would be more likely to leave because Perth and other cities around Australia can't compete with Melbourne on those levels.

Solution? Well from memory in the early 90's if players left clubs they were compensated with a preliminary pick. Why not bring this back into play?
The Eagles' should have been compensated better than what they were with the Judd deal. The AFL should have granted them with an additonal pick for what he was worth eg: The best young player in the draft. If for instance say Braun wanted to return to Victoria last year, we would only get a late pick from 50 >onwards.

The Dockers should be compensated additonally for Warnock returning to Melbourne with another pick in the 20's on top of the one they will likely recieve from one Melbourne based club this upcoming trade week.


It's a much fairer system.

Don't agree at all.
Plenty have decided to stay, and we've reaped plenty of rewards from players wanting to come back to perth.
Plus for the most part clubs do get compensated with trades.

What would stop clubs pushing a player out the door to gain a pick?

 

[silk]

So I assume then if warnock came out and played to AA standards the OP would then be wanting a hindsight top 10 draft pick.???
But then if he turn out to be a dud, and got delisted within 2 years should the team that took him get compensated????


Now do you see how stupid your argument really is in OP?

 

[bodazoka]

So Robbie Warnock leaves Fremantle to return to his home of Melbourne for "family reasons"

The same thing happened to West Coast last year but hurt them a million times more. Chris Judd returned to Melbourne for "family reasons"

It's just another prime example that clubs outside Victoria can't compete on the same level as clubs from Victoria. Players from Victoria always have the option to leave to go home while players who get drafted by a Victorian club from interstate never really want to leave because the lifestyle is too good.

For instance Buddy Franklin is unlikely to leave Victoria ever to come back to WA because of the night life and big city life of Melbourne but if he was a Victorian living in WA , he would be more likely to leave because Perth and other cities around Australia can't compete with Melbourne on those levels.

Solution? Well from memory in the early 90's if players left clubs they were compensated with a preliminary pick. Why not bring this back into play?
The Eagles' should have been compensated better than what they were with the Judd deal. The AFL should have granted them with an additonal pick for what he was worth eg: The best young player in the draft. If for instance say Braun wanted to return to Victoria last year, we would only get a late pick from 50 >onwards.

The Dockers should be compensated additonally for Warnock returning to Melbourne with another pick in the 20's on top of the one they will likely recieve from one Melbourne based club this upcoming trade week.


It's a much fairer system.

So next time you decide to vote make it for a party that actually wants to spend some bloody money on infastructure in WA. Then mabye we will start having the luxurys everyone in melbourne takes for granted.

Personally I can see why someone would want to go back to melbourne after spending time in Perth. Also conversly to your point.. 10 melbourne teams on average 3 in the bottom 8, so when a player wants to return home for "family reasons" and is any half decent there is a bidding war between atleast 2 of the three clubs which pushes the price for the player up. Supply and demand, you watch melbourne hand over pick 19 for warnock look me in the eye (ill post a photo) and tell me that he is worth it on current value.