National Draft picks 19, 37, 54 who should we get?

[Davo-27]

as far as i can tell we need midfielders and medium/small forwards with maybe a developing tall as a back-up for our talls that we have

i would say some elite midfielders will be available at pick 19, i would hate for us to miss on a parker/caddy/harvey ect

at pick 38 we need to aim at getting a solid forward like steinberg/mellington/or even harper if he slides, or a cameron johnston

 

[Knightmare]

wow, first footage I've seen of him. He has some -serious- pace about him, I would not say no!
Everyone seems to rate Savage and Shiels as pace, how do they compare to Smith? Is there any chance he could come to us in the draft (other than the phantom )?

Most likely Isaac Smith won't be available but there is always the outside chance. Just don't see him going past North Melbourne at 17. Such a natural fit into their best 22.
Also Geelong seem to be very interested at 15. In the past Geelong have had a history of going with interesting 1st round selections, Smith might just be another of those intriguing ones. So wouldn't surprise me if they jumped first since they have expressed interest in injecting some speed.

Jed Lamb is another thorp/dowler/schoenmakers............i would spew if we recruited him over caddy/harper/steinberg/harvey/tape

Lamb isn't a KPP for one thing.
Harper is the better of the forward options, and if available he is the guy, but most likely will go top 15.
Caddy is an inside mid, but again likely top 15.

I'd take Lamb over: Steinberg/Harvey/Tape.

Tape is more of a late 1st round - 2nd round guy. Slightly undersized for a KPP at 191. With a bit of luck he can grow a little more but not sure Hawthorn need another undersized defender?

Steinberg I feel is very over-rated on afl.com. He could go as early as 2nd round, but even if it was my club in the 3rd round selected him I would still cringe a little. Having backgrounds in different sports is something I really like from draftees. Steinberg is an undersized KPF who is athletic, but there are more talented guys available. Particularly in the 1st round.

Harvey tested fantastically and because of it might go in the national draft. Would be a little surprised to see him feature in the top 50. Hasn't set the world on fire when he has played. But as an option late is certainly not a bad option.

 

[Davo-27]

Most likely Isaac Smith won't be available but there is always the outside chance. Just don't see him going past North Melbourne at 17. Such a natural fit into their best 22.
Also Geelong seem to be very interested at 15. In the past Geelong have had a history of going with interesting 1st round selections, Smith might just be another of those intriguing ones. So wouldn't surprise me if they jumped first since they have expressed interest in injecting some speed.



Lamb isn't a KPP for one thing.
Harper is the better of the forward options, and if available he is the guy, but most likely will go top 15.
Caddy is an inside mid, but again likely top 15.

I'd take Lamb over: Steinberg/Harvey/Tape.

Tape is more of a late 1st round - 2nd round guy. Slightly undersized for a KPP at 191. With a bit of luck he can grow a little more but not sure Hawthorn need another undersized defender?

Steinberg I feel is very over-rated on afl.com. He could go as early as 2nd round, but even if it was my club in the 3rd round selected him I would still cringe a little. Having backgrounds in different sports is something I really like from draftees. Steinberg is an undersized KPF who is athletic, but there are more talented guys available. Particularly in the 1st round.

Harvey tested fantastically and because of it might go in the national draft. Would be a little surprised to see him feature in the top 50. Hasn't set the world on fire when he has played. But as an option late is certainly not a bad option.

i know lamb is a medium sized forward but he seems very lazy, he has good hands and knows where the goals are and so can kick a goal, but i see him dominating junior levels but not doing much at senior level, thats my reference to thorp/dowler/schoenmakers.........

if we got him with pick 67 or our last it would be the right decision as he has enough ability to be on a list, but noway would i want him to be out pick19

Harvey hasn't been on anyones radar, but neither have plenty of past champions, that means nada because, he CAN play and btw beat Pearce's record for the sprint at the combine.........(has the hodge ability of playing anywhere on the ground)

Steinberg reminds me of a max rooke type, hard and uncompromising, i certainly like those types of players personally, with aerial skill to boot

Tape, well he has alot of talent, could make a dynamic duo with stratton in our backline imo

watch for mellington possibly being a smokey

 

[Knightmare]

Lamb at 19 is the question. If Lycett/I.Smith/Jacobs/Harper/Pitt/Watson slide I'd take them. But if none of the above are available I would comfortably settle on Lamb at 19. However with that said even if Watson+Lycett or possibly even Pitt slide I wouldn't be surprised if Hawthorn take Lamb anyway.

The reason why Lamb is a good selection at 19 is because he is good enough to play from season 1 and fill the gap in the forwardline. Has talent. Bit of Marc LeCras. Has future midfield potential. His field kicking is amongst the best in this draft and his set shots at goal also amongst the best if not the best.

I passed on him in the bigfooty phantom draft because I felt there were better players available (Jacobs, Lycett and I.Smith). But Lamb would without a doubt need to be a consideration because he is so talented and because he is such an immediate fit into this team who can fill a need.


Mellington reminds me a little of Collingwood's Brent Macaffer. Could be an interesting fit to have in combination with Cyril. With pick 55 he would have to be amongst the considerations. But will take more time than Lamb.


Not sure if you are following the bigfooty phantom draft at all Davo. Half considering a smokie of my own with that final selection.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

i know lamb is a medium sized forward but he seems very lazy, he has good hands and knows where the goals are and so can kick a goal, but i see him dominating junior levels but not doing much at senior level, thats my reference to thorp/dowler/schoenmakers.........

if we got him with pick 67 or our last it would be the right decision as he has enough ability to be on a list, but noway would i want him to be out pick19

Harvey hasn't been on anyones radar, but neither have plenty of past champions, that means nada because, he CAN play and btw beat Pearce's record for the sprint at the combine.........(has the hodge ability of playing anywhere on the ground)

Steinberg reminds me of a max rooke type, hard and uncompromising, i certainly like those types of players personally, with aerial skill to boot

Tape, well he has alot of talent, could make a dynamic duo with stratton in our backline imo

watch for mellington possibly being a smokey

Agree re Lamb at 19. I want a gun midfielder or running backman with size (ala Tape) at 19. No 181cm opportunistic forwards thanks at 19 - far too risky.

 

[Roughies Boys]

Lamb at 19 is the question. If Lycett/I.Smith/Jacobs/Harper/Pitt/Watson slide I'd take them. But if none of the above are available I would comfortably settle on Lamb at 19. However with that said even if Watson+Lycett or possibly even Pitt slide I wouldn't be surprised if Hawthorn take Lamb anyway.

The reason why Lamb is a good selection at 19 is because he is good enough to play from season 1 and fill the gap in the forwardline. Has talent. Bit of Marc LeCras. Has future midfield potential. His field kicking is amongst the best in this draft and his set shots at goal also amongst the best if not the best.

I passed on him in the bigfooty phantom draft because I felt there were better players available (Jacobs, Lycett and I.Smith). But Lamb would without a doubt need to be a consideration because he is so talented and because he is such an immediate fit into this team who can fill a need.


Mellington reminds me a little of Collingwood's Brent Macaffer. Could be an interesting fit to have in combination with Cyril. With pick 55 he would have to be amongst the considerations. But will take more time than Lamb.


Not sure if you are following the bigfooty phantom draft at all Davo. Half considering a smokie of my own with that final selection.

Are you sure Lamb is big enough to play straight away?

 

[Thorgils]

Agree re Lamb at 19. I want a gun midfielder or running backman with size (ala Tape) at 19. No 181cm opportunistic forwards thanks at 19 - far too risky.

I have to disagree, if they draft goes anywhere near to plan not only will he be the safest option but also the best. Problem is mids are only any good if they have something to kick too, Mids are a dime a dozen I don't think we would have been anywere as good if we didn't draft Buddy and Roughy.

I think we can still pick up a handy Mid with out 2nd pick anyway, not that most mids are ready to play in there first year anyway. I'm sure we'll see the normal 'WTF?' pick from left field as the pelch likes to do every year. I think we'll find we may opt for more then 1-2 mids this year anyway instead securing 3-4.

I would of been inclined to agree 100% on a Mid 1st up post-2011 and looking at our stock I would say next year it's a given with Bateman getting older, Crawford gone, Burger getting older, May find our first couple picks go to quick mids next year.

 

[CaloHawka]

If Jed Lamb is available he is a must but otherwise get Matthew Watson or Seb Tape
and I believe that with one of our last picks we should draft Ed Curnow

 

[Dewnior]

Problem is mids are only any good if they have something to kick too, Mids are a dime a dozen I don't think we would have been anywere as good if we didn't draft Buddy and Roughy.

GAJ and Judd say hi

 

[Thorgils]

GAJ and Judd say hi

Not sure we'll get a Judd or Gaj at 19 but I would be thrilled to be proved wrong.

 

[Knightmare]

Are you sure Lamb is big enough to play straight away?

Small forwards don't need to be built to play so that isn't a great concern and can usually play more immediately. Could pretty easily play 10-15 games with your forwardline depth being in the state it's in.

Probably want to work up his durability before he starts playing and maybe get used to playing against some bigger bodies first. But not a big issue.

 

[Hawkzzz]

One thing about this draft, there are quite a few good, quick midfielders. The club needs to seriously consider getting some quality mids with serious dash. I don't think we should speculate on another tall for our first pick. We've used two pick 6s and one first rounder for Schoey.

That's why I would go for these types for our first two or even three picks. Our pick four can be used on a tall, athletic KPD and our fifth pick could go on Bruce (if that's what the club wants).

 

[Dewnior]

Not sure we'll get a Judd or Gaj at 19 but I would be thrilled to be proved wrong.

I'd settle for a Dane Swan at 19

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I have to disagree, if they draft goes anywhere near to plan not only will he be the safest option but also the best. Problem is mids are only any good if they have something to kick too, Mids are a dime a dozen I don't think we would have been anywere as good if we didn't draft Buddy and Roughy.

I think we can still pick up a handy Mid with out 2nd pick anyway, not that most mids are ready to play in there first year anyway. I'm sure we'll see the normal 'WTF?' pick from left field as the pelch likes to do every year. I think we'll find we may opt for more then 1-2 mids this year anyway instead securing 3-4.

I would of been inclined to agree 100% on a Mid 1st up post-2011 and looking at our stock I would say next year it's a given with Bateman getting older, Crawford gone, Burger getting older, May find our first couple picks go to quick mids next year.

For where we are at in terms of our list and challenging in the finals I want to draft a man at 19 who has class and can play straight away with the big boys. Another Hodge or Lewis. Someone with a strong body.

At 181cm and skinny Lamb looks like a boy to me and while he may be a good player in 3 or 4 years and be able to push into the midfield when he develops his tank I query whether he helps us in the short term in the area we need to improve in with run and carry - the midfield.

In Rioli, Roughie and Franklin we have plenty of talent in the forward half. Another gun mid may enable Hodge to go back to steady the backline too. Plus we seem to have a better success rate with drafting mids than forwards so prob less risk.

 

[kirbatron]

Isaac Smith would be perfect imo

 

[eldorado]

Isaac Smith would be perfect imo

I heard some news snippet on SEN today...I didn't catch the team, but it said "...blah blah... look certain to pick Isaac Smith with Pick 15 in the national Draft"

Who has pick 15?

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Isaac Smith would be perfect imo

No doubt a lot of us will be watching keenly to see what number Smith goes at. Certainly a huge amount of hype about him. Looks a player but not a whole heap of exposed form on him. Don't really reckon he was 'tested' at VFL level either in terms of attention but other judges may have greater insight.

At the end of the day he is a running wingman/flanker and I don't reckon these types carry as much currency as genuine onballers or KP players in the early rounds but we will wait and see!! Would be happy if we landed him but not at 19.

 

[Brant]

I heard some news snippet on SEN today...I didn't catch the team, but it said "...blah blah... look certain to pick Isaac Smith with Pick 15 in the national Draft"

Who has pick 15?

Think I read yesterday that Geelong traded for it from GC or something, so maybe the Cats.

 

[KingRich]

Cats definately have pick 15 and have been widely tipped to take Smith with that pick.

 

[That's deliberate]

If I Smith slips to 19 and we don't pick him there will be blood spilt, I'm sharpening knife as I type.

 

[Hawker_Ant]

Cats definately have pick 15 and have been widely tipped to take Smith with that pick.

Handbaggers don't have a lot of speed in their side. Remove Travis Varcoe and the Flying Wojinski (30 years old) and I'm struggling to name any. That found them out a few times. Take away their free hand-balling game and put them under pressure, get the forwards to stay with their backmen running away and their game plan is stuffed. They need runners. Hard to see them passing up Smith.

 

[whiteTiga2k]

I would be really happy with any of these picks happening:

19: Jed lamb/Keiren Harper
37: Seb Tape/Josh Green
54: Rankine
66: Cameron Bruce
88: Shannon Rioli

 

[Hodginator]

Article about Tape on the AFL website for those interested.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105088/default.aspx

 

[CaloHawka]

Seb tape wont last until pick 37 but would take Lamb ahead of him because there is still lots of improvement in Stratton and Schoenmakers

 

[Thorgils]

Cats definately have pick 15 and have been widely tipped to take Smith with that pick.

Yep signed and sealed apparently, word is North Melbourne are looking very serious at picking up Lamb with pick 17