National Draft picks 19, 37, 54 who should we get?

[Knightmare]

What about this Kid, Luke Dahlhaus for Pick 54 his quick and fast


http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=104415

Interesting kid. Real cult hero type. All you notice when you see him is the hair

Not tall and very skinny, but a tough kid. Needs to improve the consistancy of his kicking.

Seems to have some upside. Forward/mid. Feels if anything he is best as a mid but due to lack of size will start off as a forward I expect. Speed is good. Agile. Can win some hard ball and is a good clearance player.

Could be an option at 54. Certainly.

 

[Rudi Gilham]

Pretty short at only 174cm. If drafted likely to go in the rookie draft rather than national draft.

Has a bit of speed and wins a little bit of the contested footy. Applies pressure. Does all the right things. Agile and good at evading. Has good footy smarts. Does the team things.

Not a strong mark. Probably not enough of special flair for my liking. Really doesn't have a weapon or anything that makes him stand out which you really need at that height. Speed is good, but not special good. Doesn't have great hurt factor on his kick even though it can go 50m. Probably not a pure enough crumbing forward for my liking.

Sounds a bit like Cam Stokes mark II from that description.

 

[Thorgils]

Amongst most bigfooty draft guys he is generally considered an early 2nd rounder interestingly. But I rate him signficantly higher.

Jacobs is a flanker type with a long 60m kick. On style reminds me more of a Shannon Hurn or a Josh Drummond than a Luke Hodge.

Certainly has the midfield ability and can go forward also. He's a powerful unit, but not a Luke Hodge type tough guy and won't be a Luke Hodge level star by any stretch. I think he will go top 15 in this draft. Likely to Melbourne at 12 or Adelaide at 14. Should be a good value selection.

I think he will be a pretty immediate player and will play from season 1. Outside of Isaac Smith and Scott Lycett, Jacobs was my other close consideration in the bigfooty phantom draft. All should be gone by the Hawthorn selection on draft day for mine.

Thanks K always a fountain of information.

How do you rate Lamb? Too skinny for playing in his first year of AFL football?

 

[timhawx]

Omen pick - Luke Mitchell, combination of the captains names - looks like a young croady

 

[Snoref]

If we can somehow get Tape and Lamb with our first 2 picks, then that would be awesome.

 

[HawksILove]

If we can somehow get Tape and Lamb with our first 2 picks, then that would be awesome.

Or Watson and Lamb would be awesome also

 

[Snoref]

I actually rate Tape above Watson, for some reason i get the feeling he will be the better player of the 2.

 

[crows26]

I have been reading a fair bit on this thread over the past few weeks, but I have to disagree with every one who thinks the Hawks will take a defender. They will have NO interest in Watson, even if he is available at 19. Tape...maybe, but I still doubt it highly. They have enough defenders.....whether they are all totally up to it then only time will tell.
Hawthorn WILL draft a couple of quick, classy midfielders and a smart small fwd who can help Cyril. Another Luke Hodge type utility would also be handy.

No defenders though!!!

 

[Brant]

I have been reading a fair bit on this thread over the past few weeks, but I have to disagree with every one who thinks the Hawks will take a defender. They will have NO interest in Watson, even if he is available at 19. Tape...maybe, but I still doubt it highly. They have enough defenders.....whether they are all totally up to it then only time will tell.
Hawthorn WILL draft a couple of quick, classy midfielders and a smart small fwd who can help Cyril. Another Luke Hodge type utility would also be handy.

No defenders though!!!

Interesting point. We have had 2 Trade Periods now & actively pursued a 3rd Defender/Rebounder in Gibson; & a BP in Cheney. We have also uncovered a gem in Stratton; who by rights should not be half as food as he is going by how cheap we got him. This clearly indicates that at least parts of our club don't think we need a KPD - or think we already have them in Gilham & Schoey.

If this is true, it probably isn't likely that we have our hopes pinned on grabbing an AFL ready KPD with pick 19 & as such will probably be concentrating on other areas.

Knowing that we have Grimley & Milne waiting, You have me convinced; & even if you are not correct; is a good analysis.

 

[Hawkzzz]

I have been reading a fair bit on this thread over the past few weeks, but I have to disagree with every one who thinks the Hawks will take a defender. They will have NO interest in Watson, even if he is available at 19. Tape...maybe, but I still doubt it highly. They have enough defenders.....whether they are all totally up to it then only time will tell.
Hawthorn WILL draft a couple of quick, classy midfielders and a smart small fwd who can help Cyril. Another Luke Hodge type utility would also be handy.

No defenders though!!!

You could very well be right. We may invest in a 195cm type in the rookie draft, someone who is quick off the mark but needs time to develop.

This draft has a number of players who are quick and skillful. These types will be available right until our last pick. Even players like Rankine will probably be available until our 2nd last or last pick. There are others like him so they will do their homework and hope for the best.

I would be more than happy for the club to go for speed and guys that can receive or get their own footy.

 

[Hawker_Ant]

Pretty short at only 174cm. If drafted likely to go in the rookie draft rather than national draft.

Has a bit of speed and wins a little bit of the contested footy. Applies pressure. Does all the right things. Agile and good at evading. Has good footy smarts. Does the team things.

Not a strong mark. Probably not enough of special flair for my liking. Really doesn't have a weapon or anything that makes him stand out which you really need at that height. Speed is good, but not special good. Doesn't have great hurt factor on his kick even though it can go 50m. Probably not a pure enough crumbing forward for my liking.

Shannon Rioli hails from the Tiwi Islands north of Darwin and is the brother of Dean Rioli and cousin of Cyril. Maurice Rioli is his uncle. His father, Sibby, was a superstar for perrenial NTFL powerhouse Saint Mary's.

Shannon attended Scotch College in Melbourne, as did Cyril. He generally plays half-forward/wing for Saint Mary's. Played for South Fremantle in the WAFL this year. Also plays for the Territory Thunder in the QAFL.

Pretty good player, but I'm not sure he's quite good enough for AFL. Knightmare's analysis sounds about right. He's definitely no Cyril.

 

[Roughies Boys]

What's so good about Tape?

The Nominees For Pick 19:
Matthew Watson
Jed Lamb
Seb Tape
Kieran Harper
Patrick McCarthy

What are so good about them 5?

 

[Roughies Boys]

Pelchin stated quite clearly that Robbies time at hawthorn was finished, we would have no need for him anyway. The rest of your post I like

Forget I even said Robbie Campbell to much of risk.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I have been reading a fair bit on this thread over the past few weeks, but I have to disagree with every one who thinks the Hawks will take a defender. They will have NO interest in Watson, even if he is available at 19. Tape...maybe, but I still doubt it highly. They have enough defenders.....whether they are all totally up to it then only time will tell.
Hawthorn WILL draft a couple of quick, classy midfielders and a smart small fwd who can help Cyril. Another Luke Hodge type utility would also be handy.

No defenders though!!!

Agree 100% that we will go for midfielders with our early selections and perhaps a mid/forward with a few tricks.

Pick 19 has to be our next topline midfielder - this time one with pace.

We may take a developing defender late in the draft as while we can pinch hit with the Gibsons and co for the time being the cupboard is bare for the medium term.

 

[illnino]

YI have been reading a fair bit on this thread over the past few weeks, but I have to disagree with every one who thinks the Hawks will take a defender. They will have NO interest in Watson, even if he is available at 19. Tape...maybe, but I still doubt it highly. They have enough defenders.....whether they are all totally up to it then only time will tell.
Hawthorn WILL draft a couple of quick, classy midfielders and a smart small fwd who can help Cyril. Another Luke Hodge type utility would also be handy.

No defenders though!!!

Great post. Been saying the same thing since trade week, and now with Cheney, we have more than enough defenders - Gibson, Stratton, Gilham, Schoenmakers, Hodge, Murphy, Birchall, Ellis, Guerra, Ladson, Morton, Suckling, Whitecross and even Roughead if needed (thanks to Hale) can all play back.

As crows 26 says, the quality may be questionable (I reckon it's pretty good), but while we have such quantity in that area, I can't see us getting anymore until we release a few more.`

 

[Roughies Boys]

Great post. Been saying the same thing since trade week, and now with Cheney, we have more than enough defenders - Gibson, Stratton, Gilham, Schoenmakers, Hodge, Murphy, Birchall, Ellis, Guerra, Ladson, Morton, Suckling, Whitecross and even Roughead if needed (thanks to Hale) can all play back.

As crows 26 says, the quality may be questionable (I reckon it's pretty good), but while we have such quantity in that area, I can't see us getting anymore until we release a few more.`

Schoenmakers, Gilham and Roughead. We may have a lot of backman, but not tall ones.

 

[illnino]

Schoenmakers, Gilham and Roughead. We may have a lot of backman, but not tall ones.

...and Gibson and Stratton. Until you get rid of a few of them, there isn't much more room. Stratton, Gibson, Roughead, Gilham and Schoenmakers will all be playing next year at times....if we add another tall it starts to look rather heavy.

 

[Fatrollo]

In regards to Shannon Rioli, being at Scotch at the time of both of them, he is probably the only player I have seen who is as talented as Junior. His main was that he was a lazy footballer and trainer, although that seems to have been rectified to some degree by South Fremantle. He was dropped halfway through his last year at Scotch because of this laziness, but was undoubtedly the most talented player along with Junior.

While he is talented, very talented at that, his athletic attributes aren't as good as his cousin. While he does have alright pace, it isn't blistering like Cyril. He certainly doesn't have massive stamina, although that can be rectified to some extent, and clearly isn't that big. Personally I think if we were to get him, it would be similar reasoning to getting Cam Stokes in that he would be here to help keep Cyril happy; if he turned into a handy player than that's an added bonus. He definitely is more skilled than Stokes, so that's one thing he definitely has over him, and probably moves a bit better than him, but he probably couldn't be a compared to Stokes as he isn't a crumbing forward. He would be either a half forward or wing where he can use his kicking skills, which aren't the best but they're certainly well above average.

I doubt he'd be midfield quality for the future, but for a late pick, he might be worth just taking a punt, although personally I like the idea of taking David Kruse with one of our later picks if he's available. I have a lot of time for fast, tall rebounding defenders, and the fact that he apparently is quite skilled by foot makes him all the more tempting. Along with Riley Milne, who I would really like to see play around 5-10 games this year, they could develop into a really good half back line who can play tall/3rd man up but also rebound, something which we have lacked over the past 2 years. That would also allow Birchall to push further up the ground, which he should be striving for, and perhaps allow Whitecross to become a back pocket where I think he'll probably end up due to his kicking ability.

 

[Hawkzzz]

In regards to Shannon Rioli, being at Scotch at the time of both of them, he is probably the only player I have seen who is as talented as Junior. His main was that he was a lazy footballer and trainer, although that seems to have been rectified to some degree by South Fremantle. He was dropped halfway through his last year at Scotch because of this laziness, but was undoubtedly the most talented player along with Junior.

While he is talented, very talented at that, his athletic attributes aren't as good as his cousin. While he does have alright pace, it isn't blistering like Cyril. He certainly doesn't have massive stamina, although that can be rectified to some extent, and clearly isn't that big. Personally I think if we were to get him, it would be similar reasoning to getting Cam Stokes in that he would be here to help keep Cyril happy; if he turned into a handy player than that's an added bonus. He definitely is more skilled than Stokes, so that's one thing he definitely has over him, and probably moves a bit better than him, but he probably couldn't be a compared to Stokes as he isn't a crumbing forward. He would be either a half forward or wing where he can use his kicking skills, which aren't the best but they're certainly well above average.

I doubt he'd be midfield quality for the future, but for a late pick, he might be worth just taking a punt, although personally I like the idea of taking David Kruse with one of our later picks if he's available. I have a lot of time for fast, tall rebounding defenders, and the fact that he apparently is quite skilled by foot makes him all the more tempting. Along with Riley Milne, who I would really like to see play around 5-10 games this year, they could develop into a really good half back line who can play tall/3rd man up but also rebound, something which we have lacked over the past 2 years. That would also allow Birchall to push further up the ground, which he should be striving for, and perhaps allow Whitecross to become a back pocket where I think he'll probably end up due to his kicking ability.

You never ever ever use a draft pick to keep someone happy. I'm sure Cyril isn't so insecure that he would need Shannon at the club. No way. He is either good enough or not. My view is that Rankine is better and has more explosive speed, awareness and agility. Also, more upside.

 

[dermott]

Interesting point. We have had 2 Trade Periods now & actively pursued a 3rd Defender/Rebounder in Gibson; & a BP in Cheney. We have also uncovered a gem in Stratton; who by rights should not be half as food as he is going by how cheap we got him. This clearly indicates that at least parts of our club don't think we need a KPD - or think we already have them in Gilham & Schoey.

If this is true, it probably isn't likely that we have our hopes pinned on grabbing an AFL ready KPD with pick 19 & as such will probably be concentrating on other areas.

Knowing that we have Grimley & Milne waiting, You have me convinced; & even if you are not correct; is a good analysis.

I think it is a bit optimistic to assume we can draft an 18 year old AFL ready KPD in the draft. Most if not all KPFs or KPDs require time to adjust to the fitness and strength requirements of AFL football. Even a gorilla like Watson would not be expected to walk into an AFL team and hold down a key position from day one. As Knightmare said 10 games from the lad would be a good return in year one. On the other hand older draftees like Stratton or Harry Taylor may possibly be AFL ready in year one.
Midfielders and small forwards are more likely to be AFL ready particularly the more physically well developed. From memory Lewis played more games in his first year than Franklin or Roughead and of course Rioli walked straight into the team and never looked back.
Personally I would like to draft Watson as he is the type of bigbodied defender that we could use but I don't see him as a quick fix and I would not like to see him saddled with unrealistic expectations if we do draft him.

 

[Fatrollo]

You never ever ever use a draft pick to keep someone happy. I'm sure Cyril isn't so insecure that he would need Shannon at the club. No way. He is either good enough or not. My view is that Rankine is better and has more explosive speed, awareness and agility. Also, more upside.

I'm not saying that's the sole reason for drafting him, otherwise we'd probably have some fat bloke from WA to keep Buddy happy. We would obviously draft them in the hope that they could become a player who we would like to have, but the fact that we did delist Stokes, who was partly drafted because of Cyril but also based on his own ability, would add some weight to drafting him to maybe continue on in that role. He may well become a very good AFL player, I don't think anyone could guarantee that he won't, but that would be an added benefit to drafting him.

 

[Roughies Boys]

...and Gibson and Stratton. Until you get rid of a few of them, there isn't much more room. Stratton, Gibson, Roughead, Gilham and Schoenmakers will all be playing next year at times....if we add another tall it starts to look rather heavy.

I don't call them talls. Stratt may end up being a tall defender. But really Roughead doesn't play back. Unless he has 2. Actually Hawthorn should leave it until the end of next year to recruit a tall backman!

 

[Knightmare]

For those of you who are following the bigfooty phantom draft and want a better look at Isaac Smith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRAnvngB1ag&feature=player_embedded

 

[Roger Rogerson]

For those of you who are following the bigfooty phantom draft and want a better look at Isaac Smith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRAnvngB1ag&feature=player_embedded

Doesn't look an elite kick.

 

[Arkadia]

Watching the VFL highlights of Isaac Smith, he would compliment our side beautifully - outside fast midfielder who can slot into the team immediately. i think the recruiters could do no wrong if we select him at pick 19, then again, what do i know.