Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Fadge]

Did he contribute to the the pies missing finals this year then ? Thought it was a team game after all ....

He probably couldn't have done much more in attempting to get them there.

Unless you're suggesting the likes of Cripps and Weitering were duds for the first 8 or 9 years of their careers because Carlton had failed to qualify for finals in all that time?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

He probably couldn't have done much more in attempting to get them there.

Unless you're suggesting the likes of Cripps and Weitering were duds for the first 8 or 9 years of their careers because Carlton had failed to qualify for finals in all that time?

That's quite literally what you used to suggest... You also used to slander them for playing for individual awards while their team floundered... Which is exactly what Nicky was doing this year (last game of the season dead rubber and he's playing like his life depended on it getting fed the ball at every turn by his teammates to try and win him the Brownlow)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Which best describes you?

a) troll

b) started trolling and gradually came to believe it

c) didn't rate him that highly because he was an outside player and too proud/stupid to re-evaluate when he went inside and racked up regular 10 clearance 15 contested possession games to go along with being the best outside runner in the comp

I'll let you make your own evaluation. But once again more hyperbole from Pies fans... BEST OUTSIDE RUNNER IN THE COMP... Despite almost never being in his teams best runners for the game, never having any sort of records re his running power and also being a mediocre runner when looking at his 2km times in the pre seasons.

As always... Living in la la land when it comes to anything surrounding their golden boy. Even your own posters were commenting on how laughable Flybaggers coaches votes were this year.

 

[Madblue]

The fact posters feel the need to run to this thread to announce Nicky has won some random ABC (lmao) award that nobody gives 2 flying f**ks about just shows how desperate Pies fans are for validity and attention.

How embarrassing

For years these same Pies supporters have bagged the Brownlow and other individual awards saying they mean nothing and its all about team success.

Now once they have one of their own players in contention these awards mean everything. So typical and hypocritical !

 

[Fadge]

That's quite literally what you used to suggest... You also used to slander them for playing for individual awards while their team floundered... Which is exactly what Nicky was doing this year (last game of the season dead rubber and he's playing like his life depended on it getting fed the ball at every turn by his teammates to try and win him the Brownlow)

Negative.

I've always commented positively on the likes of Cripps and Weitering. My comment has always been about the lack of depth beyond them.

I have no issue with Daicos or any Collingwood player for that matter, playing as though their life depended on it in a game where we are already eliminated from finals. That's what maintains a winning culture, something that Carlton and their supporters aren't familiar with.

 

[jakson68]

Which best describes you?

a) troll

b) started trolling and gradually came to believe it

c) didn't rate him that highly because he was an outside player and too proud/stupid to re-evaluate when he went inside and racked up regular 10 clearance 15 contested possession games to go along with being the best outside runner in the comp

d) All of the above

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Negative.

I've always commented positively on the likes of Cripps and Weitering. My comment has always been about the lack of depth beyond them.

I have no issue with Daicos or any Collingwood player for that matter, playing as though their life depended on it in a game where we are already eliminated from finals. That's what maintains a winning culture, something that Carlton and their supporters aren't familiar with.

Out of all the lies I've seen on here this is the biggest one

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It really is astounding.

Suggesting a player who won a flag in his second season is only interested in individual awards, when they have a list with Coleman Medallists, a Brownlow Medallist, a Gary Ayres Medallist, but zero premierships across their entire list.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[jakson68]

It is quite sad how many Carlton posters continue to troll around a thread about Nick Daicos.

Talk about living rent free in their minds.

 

[Fadge]

Even your own posters were commenting on how laughable Flybaggers coaches votes were this year.

I'll ask again....

What are your thoughts on the even greater likely variance between the votes awarded to Cripps by Voss, compared to the votes awarded to Cripps by opposition coaches?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You forgot 0 times premiership players Cripps, Weitering, Walsh and Curnow (but they have plenty of individual awards).

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Fadge]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What's your point?

Where is my bagging of Cripps, Curnow, etc.?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What's your point?

Where is my bagging of Cripps, Curnow, etc.?

It's like you think nobody learnt about inferring in 3rd grade or something... A blind hamster could figure out what your posts were implying.

 

[Fadge]

It's like you think nobody learnt about inferring in 3rd grade or something... A blind hamster could figure out what your posts were implying.

Another example of your struggling with comprehension.

I'll add 'inferring' to the list, with 'if' and 'next year'.

 

[sr36]

It's like you think nobody learnt about inferring in 3rd grade or something... A blind hamster could figure out what your posts were implying.

It's a shame you didn't get a better grounding in context from your grade 3 teacher. Read it again - it was in the context of criticism of Nick over the Pies missing finals. It was actually suggesting those blokes are stars - like Nick, but individual stars don't get you into finals.

 

[RUNVS]

Not saying the validity of it but Daicos is not in the Champion Data All Australian team. Mentioned at the beginning of the video and at 10:55.

Basically said his impact with ball use (when he was a clearance player) was not good enough.

 

[Madblue]

Not saying the validity of it but Daicos is not in the Champion Data All Australian team. Mentioned at the beginning of the video and at 10:55.

Basically said his impact with ball use (when he was a clearance player) was not good enough.

Most would agree that has some merit

 

[RUNVS]

Most would agree that has some merit

Yep. Basically saying if Daicos was not forced to play on the inside he would be a lock for the All Australian but when he plays inside his ball use drops dramatically.

 

[Fadge]

Not saying the validity of it but Daicos is not in the Champion Data All Australian team. Mentioned at the beginning of the video and at 10:55.

Basically said his impact with ball use (when he was a clearance player) was not good enough.

Just goes to show how silly it is when you judge a player by a stats sheet...

 

[RUNVS]

Just goes to show how silly it is when you judge a player by a stats sheet...

On the other hand going for "well this is what I feel" is also a bad way. It needs to be a combination of both.

 

[Fadge]

On the other hand going for "well this is what I feel" is also a bad way. It needs to be a combination of both.

Absolutely.

But any algorithm that excludes Nick Daicos from the best 23 players in the competition in 2024 is fundamentally flawed, as I've been saying for years.

 

[sr36]

Yep. Basically saying if Daicos was not forced to play on the inside he would be a lock for the All Australian but when he plays inside his ball use drops dramatically.

It's a valid point. It's strength related.

But just re-enforces that the 21year old kid whose been up the top of the league for a couple of years already still has a fair bit of improvemnt to come once his body matures. Might even see him develop into the GOAT!

 

[RCAB]

Absolutely.

But any algorithm that excludes Nick Daicos from the best 23 players in the competition in 2024 is fundamentally flawed, as I've been saying for years.

It's the same algorithm that had a Ablett as the no.1 Ranked player for nearly a decade.

I've already mentioned this, the problem with Daicos this year has been his coach putting Nick in the middle, getting double teamed, and having to shank kicks out of congestion. Not really conducive to getting the best out of Nick. There has been a change recently but it probably cost you a finals spot.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Has Goaty taken a contested mark yet or is he still on a career high of zero?

 

[Fadge]

It's the same algorithm that had a Ablett as the no.1 Ranked player for nearly a decade.

I've already mentioned this, the problem with Daicos this year has been his coach putting Nick in the middle, getting double teamed, and having to shank kicks out of congestion. Not really conducive to getting the best out of Nick. There has been a change recently but it probably cost you a finals spot.

And the same algorithm that had Bobby Hill as the 13th best player in the 2023 Grand Final, and Bachar Houli as the 20 something ranked player in the 2017 Grand Final.

In every game there are numerous WTF moments when looking at the CD rankings.

The algorithm is no better a data point than Supercoach or Dreamteam points.