Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Scritchyscroony]

Of course it is.


Who gives a stuff about rookie awards?

Still waiting for you to name the other second year players with similar accomplishments.
You stated there were others. Who are they?
I'll wait.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Still waiting for you to name the other second year players with similar accomplishments.
You stated there were others. Who are they?
I'll wait.

Could make an argument for Tim Kelly

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Still waiting for you to name the other second year players with similar accomplishments.
You stated there were others. Who are they?
I'll wait.

There's no one except John Coleman, who was much older and had an award named after him

We're in new, elite territory

The greatness of Nick Daicos will echo for centuries


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[Muddiemoose]

There's no one except John Coleman, who was much older and had an award named after him

We're in new, elite territory

The greatness of Nick Daicos will echo for centuries


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If you want to use the much older pre requisite what about Tim Watson? Started playing afl when he was 15 and was winning club bnfs by 19 I believe

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Still waiting for you to name the other second year players with similar accomplishments.
You stated there were others. Who are they?
I'll wait.

I'm not sure what relevance that has to do with whether he will be the GOAT or not?

 

[My Tilly]

Still waiting for you to name the other second year players with similar accomplishments.
You stated there were others. Who are they?
I'll wait.

I wouldn't wait too long. That bloke is incapable of listening.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I wouldn't wait too long. That bloke is incapable of listening.

He's the guy that thinks weight is irrelevant in footy

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[Worm4]

I know it's been a while since Carlton have been in the finals but ..........

only 6 months

 

[Worm4]

There's no one except John Coleman, who was much older and had an award named after him

We're in new, elite territory

The greatness of Nick Daicos will echo for centuries


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Incorrect John Coleman kicked 100 goals in his first season of footy at the age of 20.
Also kicked 12 goals on debut. Much older ? - I don't think so

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Incorrect John Coleman kicked 100 goals in his first season of footy at the age of 20.
Also kicked 12 goals on debut. Much older ? - I don't think so

He was more than a year older

Anyway at least we're in the correct territory, guys like Coleman, Bunton and Reynolds are the right names to throw around in the Daicos discussion

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[adammania9]

You clearly do not understand Sam Walsh as a footballer. Where I have no doubt people would concede Daicos is a more damaging ball user, Walsh is much stronger in a contest. Walsh was 6 months younger than Daicos when he was recruited, which is roughly the average amount all players are younger than Daicos was at that time when they are recruited. So Walsh's 3rd season in 2021 is just as apt for comparison to Daicos's second season in 2023 as Walsh's second season is.

Walsh 2021 v Daicos 2023 comparison with a focus on contest/ball winning.

Possessions 30 v 27.3
Contested Possessions 11.5 v 9.0
Player Ratings 14.02 v 15.39
Brownlow votes 1.4 v 1.4
Coaches votes 4.18 v 4.91
Groundball gets 8.8 v 7.0
Clearances 4.7 v 4.0
Contested Marks 0.3 v 0.0
Score Involvements 6.5 v 6.6
Tackles 4.5 v 3.8
Pressure Acts 22.9 v 19.0
1%ers 0.8 v 0.5

I can’t believe one player has superior statistics when specifically searching for the statistics they are higher in

 

[dean33]

Am I correct in saying ndaicos has played in 1 grand final for 0 norm smiths? Goat? Lol

 

[adammania9]

Walsh was declared the best player in finals playing a whole game less than Daicos ..

oh dear how embarrassing for superstar Daicos...cant even beat a bloke playing an whole extra game and a GF at that - which his team won even..

LOL

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[JustaBattler]

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only between your ears because it is clearly hollow in there!

 

[Corn Cobbers]

only between your ears because it is clearly hollow in there!

Are you the guy that said Daicos played one more final last year than Walsh?!

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[JustaBattler]

Most intelligent Carlton board poster

Way to insult the other 80K+ Carlton members!

 

[JustaBattler]

Are you the guy that said Daicos played one more final last year than Walsh?!

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Doesn't he do everything at least 1 more better than everyone ever?

 

[cliffdrabble]

You clearly do not understand Sam Walsh as a footballer. Where I have no doubt people would concede Daicos is a more damaging ball user, Walsh is much stronger in a contest. Walsh was 6 months younger than Daicos when he was recruited, which is roughly the average amount all players are younger than Daicos was at that time when they are recruited. So Walsh's 3rd season in 2021 is just as apt for comparison to Daicos's second season in 2023 as Walsh's second season is.

Walsh 2021 v Daicos 2023 comparison with a focus on contest/ball winning.

Possessions 30 v 27.3
Contested Possessions 11.5 v 9.0
Player Ratings 14.02 v 15.39
Brownlow votes 1.4 v 1.4
Coaches votes 4.18 v 4.91
Groundball gets 8.8 v 7.0
Clearances 4.7 v 4.0
Contested Marks 0.3 v 0.0
Score Involvements 6.5 v 6.6
Tackles 4.5 v 3.8
Pressure Acts 22.9 v 19.0
1%ers 0.8 v 0.5

And you clearly don't understand the role based system that each club has its players perform.

This selective bagging of one player, particularly when he has performed well above expectations is absolutely moronic and smacks of jealousy. And the questioning of his courage by gutless keyboard warriors only endorses the world of the village idiot.

Sam Walsh is a superb player, arguably a top 10 in the AFL, but so is Nick Daicos, despite the insinuation of posters like yourself that he is probably not in the top 100.

The type of rubbish you continually come up with in your 'I hate Collingwood' campaign is akin to me saying I saw your love child Dusty Martin in the 2018 PF and he was terrible so he must be crap. But that would just be 'ignorance begets ignorance'.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I'd suggest Judd was superior to Daicos

Daicos turned 20 before the 2023 season started (January). Closest Judd season was 2004, he was three months older at the time but also didn't turn 21 until after his 2004 season ended (September).

Judd 2004 v Daicos 2023

Disposals per game
22 v 31

Contested possessions per game
12 v 9

Tackles per game
4 v 4

Clearances per game
6 v 4

Inside 50s per game
5 v 4

Goals season
24 v 19

Daicos obviously got plenty more of the footy, as is the modern accumulator way - that's what modern players do and he is very very good at it.

Judd was in a significantly poorer side, West Coast won 13 games and were smashed in an elimination final vs Collingwood 18 wins and the premiership.

Judd won the Brownlow and Eagles B&F, Daicos won neither.

Daicos is clearly a brilliant player but anybody who was old enough 20 years ago remembers what an absolute phenomenon that Judd was, an incredible player who carved the competition up and won the Brownlow by a mile at 20yo.

These players come along, Daicos is not the GOAT, neither is Judd.

At this age I would place Judd ahead, I would probably have to say Daicos is second of those I've seen. Judd was just so dynamic, he was the best inside and outside mid in the league at the same time, blisteringly fast and hit the scoreboard.

The other one in the conversation for me is Lloyd, people forget how great he was at a young age, he kicked 70 goals in his 20yo year (1998) in a middle-of-the-road side, which was third in the league, he was ragdolling good key defenders who were 5 and 10 years older than him.

 

[Worm4]

I'd suggest Judd was superior to Daicos

Daicos turned 20 before the 2023 season started (January). Closest Judd season was 2004, he was three months older at the time but also didn't turn 21 until after his 2004 season ended (September).

Judd 2004 v Daicos 2023

Disposals per game
22 v 31

Contested possessions per game
12 v 9

Tackles per game
4 v 4

Clearances per game
6 v 4

Inside 50s per game
5 v 4

Goals season
24 v 19

Daicos obviously got plenty more of the footy, as is the modern accumulator way - that's what modern players do and he is very very good at it.

Judd was in a significantly poorer side, West Coast won 13 games and were smashed in an elimination final vs Collingwood 18 wins and the premiership.

Judd won the Brownlow and Eagles B&F, Daicos won neither.

Daicos is clearly a brilliant player but anybody who was old enough 20 years ago remembers what an absolute phenomenon that Judd was, an incredible player who carved the competition up and won the Brownlow by a mile at 20yo.

These players come along, Daicos is not the GOAT, neither is Judd.

At this age I would place Judd ahead, I would probably have to say Daicos is second of those I've seen. Judd was just so dynamic, he was the best inside and outside mid in the league at the same time, blisteringly fast and hit the scoreboard.

The other one in the conversation for me is Lloyd, people forget how great he was at a young age, he kicked 70 goals in his 20yo year (1998) in a middle-of-the-road side, which was third in the league, he was ragdolling good key defenders who were 5 and 10 years older than him.

Hereith endith the lesson

 

[Mr Meow]

I'd suggest Judd was superior to Daicos

Daicos turned 20 before the 2023 season started (January). Closest Judd season was 2004, he was three months older at the time but also didn't turn 21 until after his 2004 season ended (September).

Judd 2004 v Daicos 2023

Disposals per game
22 v 31

Contested possessions per game
12 v 9

Tackles per game
4 v 4

Clearances per game
6 v 4

Inside 50s per game
5 v 4

Goals season
24 v 19

Daicos obviously got plenty more of the footy, as is the modern accumulator way - that's what modern players do and he is very very good at it.

Judd was in a significantly poorer side, West Coast won 13 games and were smashed in an elimination final vs Collingwood 18 wins and the premiership.

Judd won the Brownlow and Eagles B&F, Daicos won neither.

Daicos is clearly a brilliant player but anybody who was old enough 20 years ago remembers what an absolute phenomenon that Judd was, an incredible player who carved the competition up and won the Brownlow by a mile at 20yo.

These players come along, Daicos is not the GOAT, neither is Judd.

At this age I would place Judd ahead, I would probably have to say Daicos is second of those I've seen. Judd was just so dynamic, he was the best inside and outside mid in the league at the same time, blisteringly fast and hit the scoreboard.

The other one in the conversation for me is Lloyd, people forget how great he was at a young age, he kicked 70 goals in his 20yo year (1998) in a middle-of-the-road side, which was third in the league, he was ragdolling good key defenders who were 5 and 10 years older than him.

I think it's pretty iffy to use 3rd vs 2nd years unless you are actually comparing mature age guy like Tim Kelly or Harry Taylor to someone who debuted at 18.

Judd had an extra 20 AFL games in the bank heading into 2004, compared to Daicos in 2023.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

And you clearly don't understand the role based system that each club has its players perform.

This selective bagging of one player, particularly when he has performed well above expectations is absolutely moronic and smacks of jealousy. And the questioning of his courage by gutless keyboard warriors only endorses the world of the village idiot.

Sam Walsh is a superb player, arguably a top 10 in the AFL, but so is Nick Daicos, despite the insinuation of posters like yourself that he is probably not in the top 100.

The type of rubbish you continually come up with in your 'I hate Collingwood' campaign is akin to me saying I saw your love child Dusty Martin in the 2018 PF and he was terrible so he must be crap. But that would just be 'ignorance begets ignorance'.

You said and I quote, Sam Walsh has....not gone hard at every contest. Would you care to point us to one he didn't go hard at? Walsh is a genuinely tough player.

All I am here for is to provide a voice of reason to try to stop Collingwood supporters getting ahead of themselves, as we have seen this many times over in the past. It is distressing to see the fallout each time. This penchant for getting a little bit ahead of yourselves is precisely why today it is 31,926 days since Collingwood last won back to back flags. I suppose we should be fair though, it isn't easy going b2b when you have only won 4 Grand Finals since before WW2 was declared.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You said and I quote, Sam Walsh has....not gone hard at every contest. Would you care to point us to one he didn't go hard at? Walsh is a genuinely tough player.

All I am here for is to provide a voice of reason to try to stop Collingwood supporters getting ahead of themselves, as we have seen this many times over in the past. It is distressing to see the fallout each time. This penchant for getting a little bit ahead of yourselves is precisely why today it is 31,926 days since Collingwood last won back to back flags. I suppose we should be fair though, it isn't easy going b2b when you have only won 4 Grand Finals since before WW2 was declared.

Agree, Walsh may not be a big lad but he's as tough as they come in terms of courage and putting his head over the ball.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I think it's pretty iffy to use 3rd vs 2nd years unless you are actually comparing mature age guy like Tim Kelly or Harry Taylor to someone who debuted at 18.

Judd had an extra 20 AFL games in the bank heading into 2004, compared to Daicos in 2023.

Sure. I actually only did because people above were talking age and how Daicos was better because he’s older for his year. So if you want to use that measure, check out Judd.

Judd was already a star in 2003 anyway. I’d have him over Daicos at the same stage. And Daicos is very very good, I’m a fan. I’d heard all the stuff about him being overrated, then I went to Anzac Day last year, he sliced the game open on his own, 40 touches, kicked goals, it was like his 30th career game.

As I said, nobody who was old enough at the time could forget what a freak Judd was straight out of the box however. Daicos is right up there, but he’s not doing things that are unprecedented.

 

[cliffdrabble]

You said and I quote, Sam Walsh has....not gone hard at every contest. Would you care to point us to one he didn't go hard at? Walsh is a genuinely tough player.

All I am here for is to provide a voice of reason to try to stop Collingwood supporters getting ahead of themselves, as we have seen this many times over in the past. It is distressing to see the fallout each time. This penchant for getting a little bit ahead of yourselves is precisely why today it is 31,926 days since Collingwood last won back to back flags. I suppose we should be fair though, it isn't easy going b2b when you have only won 4 Grand Finals since before WW2 was declared.

Never disputed that Walsh is a genuinely tough player. Every player in the AFL is genuinely tough. Some are tougher than others. not everyone reaches the Joel Selwood level of genuine toughness. But every player at some stage didn't go hard at a particular contest. It happens.

What Walsh and Daicos share in common is they they work their butts off during games, something posters like you don't understand that takes courage because you obviously have never experienced that yourself and do don't rate it. Coaches and teammates do.

I watched Martin in the 2018 PF and he was crap . I don't therefore conclude he was always crap like your methodology for forming opinions amounts to.

BTW, it's 5 Premierships since 1953,including the current one which obviously has cut you up pretty badly. As for the Tigers and their miserable bunch of BF supporters it is back to another 37 years of misery. Still you can spend those long, lonely years kneeling at the shrine of Dusty while you play with yourselves.

I would get your order for manure in pretty quick before all the Richmond orders are put on back order.

In the meantime why don't you start a 'why Nick Daicos is a rubbish footballer' thread. There are not enough threads started by village idiots on BF.