Opinion Non-Crows AFL 6: This Is Getting Cruel

[Jetafl]

Will he really it is a pretty mediocre list.

 

[Jetafl]

They got the right result in the end but stuffed up our likely chance of a W on the weekend as we were up and leading in the game before the red card. I accept refs can make mistakes but how can the VAR with the benefit of replays being able to slow it down etc uphold the decision. The VAR needs to be benched.

 

[arrowman]

Lyon will no doubt be able to adapt his gameplan to be relevant today.

I don't know about "no doubt", although you'd hope that he has been watching and learning these past few years.

I think he's the type of coach that you only bring in for a limited period when you have a list that's about to open a premiership window.

Except I don't think that's the case with St Kilda.

Like we saw at Freo once he no longer has a squad in the premiership window he tends to struggle when it comes to developing a list.

Which is more like the situation at St Kilda - not that they have declined from a window and are resetting/rebuilding, but that they are starting a build.

But I don't think that means Lyon is the wrong choice. St Kilda's list is such a mess - as is the club - that maybe a rookie coach is not the right option for them; maybe they need a hardened, experienced coach who can set standards and set them on the path.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But, as Costello details, the issue has become political:

“The issue is now the Labor government here in Tasmania, the Labor opposition, are dead against it,” he stated.

“They say we don’t need a new stadium, we’ve got other priorities… all these sorts of things and the money should be directed elsewhere.

“But the other side of the coin is we need the stadium to get the team, so it’s a really delicate and tricky situation at the moment.”

A statement from Tasmanian Labor read: “It is time the government listened to Tasmanians and put them first instead of stubbornly pushing on with another stadium in Hobart nobody wants.”

Tasmanian Labour is now demanding for a referendum to be put to Tasmanians to decide on the stadium.

Furthermore, Costelloe stated this was at odds with the Federal Labor party. Treasure Jim Chalmers has admitted the door is “open” for the Government to chip in.

“The other interesting part of this too is that if this is funded by the (Federal Government), that’s obviously the Labor Government in Australia and the state Labor party are against it,” he continued.

New developments in Tassie stadium debate set to create “awkward” situation

“I think we can all agree that the team is just about over the line.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[WaynesWorld19]

In addition ....as per usual ...the North of Tasmania are also against the stadium, given taxpayers will be paying for it in the North

So instead of a Tassie Team getting bilateral support from Govt and Tasmanian's ......the usual divisions remain unchanged

 

[DJ75]

The governments should be against it. The requirement was put in purely to ensure the Tasmanian bid fails - without Gill the Dill being responsible for saying no.
The VFL don't want it. You can be sure of that. If they did, they would do some adjustments to the current stadiums, which have been fine up to now, not ask for hundreds of millions to be spent.

 

[screech]

People are severely underestimating him, he's coached two teams and made 3 grand finals and one of them was a draw. The other 2 he lost by under 3 goals.

With a bit of luck he could have been a duel or triple premiership coach.

His record is not dissimilar to Malcolm Blight when appointed for 1997

 

[Scorpus]

The governments should be against it. The requirement was put in purely to ensure the Tasmanian bid fails - without Gill the Dill being responsible for saying no.
The VFL don't want it. You can be sure of that. If they did, they would do some adjustments to the current stadiums, which have been fine up to now, not ask for hundreds of millions to be spent.

Agreed, it seems unreasonable for a new stadium to be required. The stadiums they have would be fine and if there's demand then maybe they could justify expansion or a new stadium

 

[GameofSloanes]

How would we feel if the Crows were approached about Hancock Prospecting sponsoring us?

If Izak Rankine said he felt uncomfortable wearing a guernsey with the Hancock name on it, considering the public statements about being pro Aboriginal genocide?

This is a good question. I would hope that now the club would approach the indigenous players and ask their opinion.
But if it happened before the netball fracas, I doubt they would have and would've just signed up. If one or more of the indigenous players did then get upset, would be hard to blame them. And I would probably agree with them, whereas I have been blaming the netball players.

 

[Bearded Clam]

There shouldnt be a Tassie team unless there is also a NT team..

And those two new teams should be created after 4 of the victorian teams are sent to the VFL..

Too many Victorian teams.. first thing that needs to be done above all else is to get rid of 4 of them.. give them the opportunity to relocate to tas or nt.. if they refuse… take their licence off them.

 

[Rabish Binney]

This is a good question. I would hope that now the club would approach the indigenous players and ask their opinion.
But if it happened before the netball fracas, I doubt they would have and would've just signed up. If one or more of the indigenous players did then get upset, would be hard to blame them. And I would probably agree with them, whereas I have been blaming the netball players.

The players would really need to do their research before any knee jerk reaction.

Rinehart has contributed moneys to various Indigenous charities and foundations in WA for a while. Obviously the Netballers (or the Netball Federation?) didnt know or weren't aware of this. They've gone off half cocked and I for one don't have any sympathy for them.

She also, through her mining companies pays millions in tax and royalties to the WA and Federal Governments & also to the Indigenous communities from where her mining enterprises are - which indirectly go to help the Feds pay the $20bn annually to assist the Indigenous communities and their respective causes throughout the country

Any (if not all) sponsors might have 'skeletons in the closet' (so to speak) from the past or present, either directly or indirectly that may cause a player to arc up. Some would mount an argument to be up in arms in regards to our main sponsor of 30+ years with their emissions and their effect on the planet etc??

Where does it stop?

 

[Punchy Bassett]

There shouldnt be a Tassie team unless there is also a NT team..

And those two new teams should be created after 4 of the victorian teams are sent to the VFL..

Too many Victorian teams.. first thing that needs to be done above all else is to get rid of 4 of them.. give them the opportunity to relocate to tas or nt.. if they refuse… take their licence off them.

Just relegate them, they shouldn't have the option North and Saints are the first two that should be gone immediately.

 

[Samcro24]

There shouldnt be a Tassie team unless there is also a NT team..

And those two new teams should be created after 4 of the victorian teams are sent to the VFL..

Too many Victorian teams.. first thing that needs to be done above all else is to get rid of 4 of them.. give them the opportunity to relocate to tas or nt.. if they refuse… take their licence off them.

Never gonna happen unfortunately

 

[Jetafl]

AFL's red-faced admission on concussion study​

MSN

The AFL has issued an apology to players who took part in a concussion study after an independent review found the research project to be "under-funded and under-resourced".

The independent review, chaired by senior lawyer Bernard Quinn KC, found that seven editorials from associate professor and ex-AFL concussion advisor Paul McCrory contained plagiarised text in what was an "embarrassing blemish" on McCrory's reputation.

A 260-page report from the review was made public by the AFL on Tuesday. It determined that the research project was under-funded and under-resourced and suffered from a lack of governance, stewardship and coordination in how it was rolled-out and implemented, and how it simultaneously accommodated clinical and research objectives.

AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon said the league accepted the outcome of the report and apologised to the players who were "let down" by the study.

"The AFL apologises to the past players who gave up their time in the hope of better understanding their own conditions and to assist with the research for the benefit of current and future players and were let down by the manner in which some of the research and clinical programs were at times conducted," Dillon said in an AFL statement.

"We will continue to invest, engage, resource and do better on this type of research and the facilitation of care going forward."

The AFL's apology comes after former Eagles premiership player Daniel Venables, whose career was cut short due to concussion problems, was critical of the league's handling of concussion issues, saying the AFL "100 per cent" let him down.

"I wasted a lot of time, the most important part of my rehab," he told Seven earlier this year.

"Yeah, for sure (I could be playing footy).

"There were a lot of red flags looking back on it, and it's shattering."

Despite the report shedding light on McCrory's plagiarism, it also found that the instances of plagiarism "do not affect or taint the work" that the professor had undertaken as they "do not involve the falsification or fabrication of relevant research".

While the panel found that McCrory was neither an employee nor a contractor to the AFL, but rather an advisor on an "informal and mostly unpaid basis", the relationship between the two parties was found to have "problematic" aspects, particularly relating to "the absence of clear reporting lines".

McCrory was found to have "protracted periods" of no or delayed responses to correspondence. It was deemed that more active oversight from the AFL may have helped mitigate these problems.

 

[DJ75]

AFL's red-faced admission on concussion study​

MSN

The AFL has issued an apology to players who took part in a concussion study after an independent review found the research project to be "under-funded and under-resourced".

The independent review, chaired by senior lawyer Bernard Quinn KC, found that seven editorials from associate professor and ex-AFL concussion advisor Paul McCrory contained plagiarised text in what was an "embarrassing blemish" on McCrory's reputation.

A 260-page report from the review was made public by the AFL on Tuesday. It determined that the research project was under-funded and under-resourced and suffered from a lack of governance, stewardship and coordination in how it was rolled-out and implemented, and how it simultaneously accommodated clinical and research objectives.

AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon said the league accepted the outcome of the report and apologised to the players who were "let down" by the study.

"The AFL apologises to the past players who gave up their time in the hope of better understanding their own conditions and to assist with the research for the benefit of current and future players and were let down by the manner in which some of the research and clinical programs were at times conducted," Dillon said in an AFL statement.

"We will continue to invest, engage, resource and do better on this type of research and the facilitation of care going forward."

The AFL's apology comes after former Eagles premiership player Daniel Venables, whose career was cut short due to concussion problems, was critical of the league's handling of concussion issues, saying the AFL "100 per cent" let him down.

"I wasted a lot of time, the most important part of my rehab," he told Seven earlier this year.

"Yeah, for sure (I could be playing footy).

"There were a lot of red flags looking back on it, and it's shattering."

Despite the report shedding light on McCrory's plagiarism, it also found that the instances of plagiarism "do not affect or taint the work" that the professor had undertaken as they "do not involve the falsification or fabrication of relevant research".

While the panel found that McCrory was neither an employee nor a contractor to the AFL, but rather an advisor on an "informal and mostly unpaid basis", the relationship between the two parties was found to have "problematic" aspects, particularly relating to "the absence of clear reporting lines".

McCrory was found to have "protracted periods" of no or delayed responses to correspondence. It was deemed that more active oversight from the AFL may have helped mitigate these problems.

Not like the AFL to try and sweep something under the carpet with a dodgy and fake investigation.

How do they keep getting away with it?

 

[Mutineer]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-news-league-has-say-on-coaching-returns-of-alastair-clarkson-and-chris-fagan-amid-investigation-into-hawthorn-racism-allegations/news-story/aac5fc8e9209fc1fff94bbb8cd4a8f75?rsf=syn:news:nca:hs:spa:edm&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=HS_PREM-PM_CUR_01&net_sub_id=288692219&type=free_text_block&position=3&overallPos=6

AFL news: League has say on coaching returns of Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan amid investigation into Hawthorn racism allegations​

The AFL has weighed in on the imminent return to coaching duties for Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan, amid the investigation into allegations of racism at Hawthorn.

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The AFL has no problems with Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan working as senior coaches while they are investigated over their alleged involvement in the Hawthorn racism scandal.
Clarkson returned home from Scotland on Monday night and welcomed the league outlining the Terms of Reference for the investigation, which were released last week.
“It’s taken a bit of time to get through that (Terms of Reference). At least we’ve got a platform now from which we can get a chance to tell our side of the story,” Clarkson told Channel 9 from the airport.
“Fages, myself and Jason (Burt) have been through a tough time over the last four weeks and just pleased they’ve been able to identify a platform with which we can reveal some of the truths behind this.”
Brisbane Lions’ board was set to ratify Fagan’s return to the club at Tuesday night’s meeting while Clarkson is expected to commence duties at Arden St when his five-year contract begins on November 1.

 

[Mutineer]

 

[GameofSloanes]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-news-league-has-say-on-coaching-returns-of-alastair-clarkson-and-chris-fagan-amid-investigation-into-hawthorn-racism-allegations/news-story/aac5fc8e9209fc1fff94bbb8cd4a8f75?rsf=syn:news:nca:hs:spa:edm&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=HS_PREM-PM_CUR_01&net_sub_id=288692219&type=free_text_block&position=3&overallPos=6

AFL news: League has say on coaching returns of Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan amid investigation into Hawthorn racism allegations​

The AFL has weighed in on the imminent return to coaching duties for Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan, amid the investigation into allegations of racism at Hawthorn.

If the allegations are potentially true how could you let them near players?
Be like a teacher accused of paedophilia being allowed to continue working while the allegations are investigated

 

[cleanhands]

If the allegations are potentially true how could you let them near players?
Be like a teacher accused of paedophilia being allowed to continue working while the allegations are investigated

It is the AFL

 

[Mutineer]

If the allegations are potentially true how could you let them near players?
Be like a teacher accused of paedophilia being allowed to continue working while the allegations are investigated

Starting too look a lot like the players may have overblown their claims to me if they aren't prepared to take part in an investigation. Clarkson really didn't seem to me like a bloke that was too worried about what the findings are going to turn up?

 

[Mutineer]

‘Tell our side of the story’: Clarkson unclear on North start date as AFL waits on complainants

Veteran coach Alastair Clarkson is scheduled to begin with the Roos on November 1, but says his priority is to cooperate with the league’s investigation into allegations of racism during his tenure at Hawthorn.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Vader]

Starting too look a lot like the players may have overblown their claims to me if they aren't prepared to take part in an investigation. Clarkson really didn't seem to me like a bloke that was too worried about what the findings are going to turn up?

Yeah... nah. It's quite understandable that they wouldn't want to have anything to do with any AFL investigation, because they simply don't trust the AFL not to produce a report in it's own self interest - and ****ing over the victims.

They are quite happy to participate in an independent investigation, provided it doesn't answer to (or influenced by) the AFL.

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah... nah. It's quite understandable that they wouldn't want to have anything to do with any AFL investigation, because they simply don't trust the AFL not to produce a report in it's own self interest - and ****ing over the victims.

They are quite happy to participate in an independent investigation, provided it doesn't answer to (or influenced by) the AFL.

Link?

 

[BRL121]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-news-league-has-say-on-coaching-returns-of-alastair-clarkson-and-chris-fagan-amid-investigation-into-hawthorn-racism-allegations/news-story/aac5fc8e9209fc1fff94bbb8cd4a8f75?rsf=syn:news:nca:hs:spa:edm&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=HS_PREM-PM_CUR_01&net_sub_id=288692219&type=free_text_block&position=3&overallPos=6

AFL news: League has say on coaching returns of Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan amid investigation into Hawthorn racism allegations​

The AFL has weighed in on the imminent return to coaching duties for Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan, amid the investigation into allegations of racism at Hawthorn.

How in thse world is this a "racism scandal"?
If true, it's unwarranted workplace bullying which was not racist because Clarko tried similar, though not as bad, with Mitchell!
Everyone should be interviewed, not just aborigines.

 

[Mutineer]

How in thse world is this a "racism scandal"?
If true, it's unwarranted workplace bullying which was not racist because Clarko tried similar, though not as bad, with Mitchell!
Everyone should be interviewed, not just aborigines.

"allegedly" at this point.