Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I

[And_ROOS]

Sorry, that sort of analysis is drivel.
Their dominance did drop off a little late this season, but they are absolutely relentless. That wins them the flag.

I can't get academic about a game of footy. But this spectacle today was brilliant, captivating, skills on display all match, an unlucky loser, and a fitting winner.

Stats disagree with you there regardless of whether or not you think it was drivel. End of the day in the PF the umpires did a massive job on the Giants, and the Pies were helped out with early goals and then a massive "advantage" that was not. And Melbourne should have smashed them but couldn't kick straight.

And the fact sights have that its the weakest Premiership team in modern history backs it up. Stats don't lie.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I just cannot fathom that Frampton is a premiership player.

Like my brain won't compute. It has seen the information but refuses to process it.

Gini and Cox too.

Evil wins some times ..

 

[Munich]

I just cannot fathom that Frampton is a premiership player.

Like my brain won't compute. It has seen the information but refuses to process it.

It is a disgrace I agree.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Gini and Cox too.

Evil wins some times ..

At least Ginni has a few tricks. I can cope with that. Cox too. Frampton was a walking punchline out there.

 

[rocker_oz33]

At least Ginni has a few tricks. I can cope with that. Cox too. Frampton was a walking punchline out there.

Cox and gin worse esp with the carry on from doing stuff all ..

Billy was shite ...but not the biggest knob in the team .

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Cox and gin worse esp with the carry on from doing stuff all ..

Billy was shite ...but not the biggest knob in the team .

Bit unfair on Cox, I think even if he didn't clunk marks he did force the Brisbane defenders into the aerial contests and put them on the back foot at ground level.

I won't defend Ginnivan. More that I didn't notice him being totally vacant like Frampton. I almost didn't notice him at all.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Bit unfair on Cox, I think even if he didn't clunk marks he did force the Brisbane defenders into the aerial contests and put them on the back foot at ground level.

I won't defend Ginnivan. More that I didn't notice him being totally vacant like Frampton. I almost didn't notice him at all.

Gin a dead set flog zero humidity about he's 7 touch game ..will have alot of carry on about it .

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Gin a dead set flog zero humidity about he's 7 touch game ..will have alot of carry on about it .

I'm not arguing that, but he can be better than 2 touch Frampton and still be not very good

 

[rocker_oz33]

I'm not arguing that, but he can be better than 2 touch Frampton and still be not very good

I don't think 2 touch billy will be carrying on as much as nose beers ginie.

But billy was poo .
Would be more noticeable if they lost ...

Moons for north was preety bad tho ..
Low touches gave away afrew frees .

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I don't think 2 touch billy will be carrying on as much as nose beers ginie.

But billy was poo .
Would be more noticeable if they lost ...

Moons for north was preety bad tho ..
Low touches gave away afrew frees .

I do like the story about Pagan knocking him down a peg or two during the celebrations though.

I guess their impact on the game and whether they are d*heads are different issues to me

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Frampton should hand his medal to McStay.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Gini and Cox too.

Evil wins some times ..

Harsh. Cox did OK

 

[cats_09]

Can I suggest we ease up on a few of the off-field swipes at opposition players - let's not act in a manner that looks like sore losers as we didn't go back to back, or with the naivety that we haven't/have players who partake in those same activities...

These are young guys and surely we don't stupidly believe that a number of them don't get up to the same things that other young folk do...

Let's not forget that one of our own dual premiership players himself was charged with possessing & trafficking cocaine

So how about we cut the crap and name calling unless you want posts edited or deleted at a minimum - let's be better than that

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

The duds of the day had to be Eric Hipwood

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Eric Hipwood

Age

27

Ht

203cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.1

2star

G

1.1

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.4

5star

and Jarrod Berry

7

Jarrod Berry

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

.

 

[Mr Meow]

At least Ginni has a few tricks. I can cope with that. Cox too. Frampton was a walking punchline out there.

If Frampton can do it, I believe I can still do it.

 

[Catsace]

I just cannot fathom that Frampton is a premiership player.

Like my brain won't compute. It has seen the information but refuses to process it.

He dominated for the Crows in that Rd 1 win over us in 2021 I think? But he was the Cam Mooney circa 1999 medalist today.

Interesting with the Squiggle graph. Collingwood has over the last two seasons have won an extraordinary number of close wins, over teams very good and very ordinary. But they just keep winning them, at a clip above 80%. It's quite unprecedented, and Squiggle's algorithms tend to put a bit of a premium over sides who score highly, hold sides to very low scores and win big. Hence Geelong's '07 and '11 Cups being ranked the highest, and the Pies in 2010 (and 2011) where they would smash sides mercilessly.

It's hard to fathom, but you saw today how when Motorbike Man got the go-ahead goal with just over 5 minutes left, the Pies sweep it forward, and DeGoey (a player with a bit of Dusty-like nerveless ability for big moments) kicks his snap from 55 out just 30 seconds later. And Sidebottom's kick from 55+ m.....a near 33 y/o at the end of a hot taxing GF was an astonishing kick. So they can hang on for dear life like against the Giants, with no score in the last 8 minutes of the game, or somehow flick a switch and get a quick score to get ahead when the need arises. A bit like how Graeme Richardson explained after the 1996 state election...I don't know how they do it, but you have to admire it.

Indeed under McCrae, last season the Pies went 6 pt loss, 20 pt win, 1 pt loss, so they have a net margin 39 points in six finals.

Personally though, I love Geelong footy when on song, and enjoy the glory and feeling of 'We're just that damn good' when we win a GF by a handsome margin, and smash sides in the H & A. But yeah, Squiggle-wise this Collingwood side has a unique ability to win close games, something that usually is flip of the coin, but they've made it their own. Will this one day reverse? Only time may tell.

 

[Scottland2007]

Mason Cox now equals Mark Blicavs on premierships won.

Mason Cox with more premierships than SNR

 

[Scottland2007]

This guy is playing with himself. “If the ball gets marked…. It wasn’t” so that doesn’t enter the conversation. It was a rushed kick to clear congestion and if it was marked it could have been called “not 15”. Should have been a free kick and a forward 50 entry. We’ll never know if it would have been converted to a shot on goal.

 

[fpm84]

Mason Cox with more premierships than SNR

And Kolodjashnij / MOC etc with more than Bucks…

 

[StonedCat]

And Kolodjashnij / MOC etc with more than Bucks…

Sweet isn't it ?

 

[catsfootyfan89]

This guy is playing with himself. “If the ball gets marked…. It wasn’t” so that doesn’t enter the conversation. It was a rushed kick to clear congestion and if it was marked it could have been called “not 15”. Should have been a free kick and a forward 50 entry. We’ll never know if it would have been converted to a shot on goal.

Personally, I think the advantage rule could be pretty easily remedied, like it has been in many other sports. The umpire should be able to wait it out and decide whether or not the resulting play actually advantages the team that picked up the free.

Example, let's say a player gets spoiled in a marking contest and cops one high. Ball spills over the back and is picked up by one of his teammates, who takes it and runs it forward. Umpire would normally call advantage here. But let's say the player who took the ball shanks it whilst being tackled and kicks it out of bounds. I think the umpire should just be able to take the play back to the original player and say the advantage is cancelled because no advantage was actually given to the team who took it.

In other words, when a player takes the ball instead of passing it back to the player who earned the free, the umpire should have discretion on whether the resulting advantage actually helps the team with the advantage or not. It eliminates the rubbish instances when a player takes advantage (sometimes without even realising a free was called in the first place), is instantly tackled and the ball spills free again, negating the original free kick. It would also give the advantaged team a short time horizon within which the play could be given the chance of being detrimental without risking a turnover.

This happens in the NHL. They call it a delayed penalty. An infringement occurs which would normally result in a 5-on-4 powerplay, but the puck spills free to open ice, so the refs wait to see who touches it first. If the opposition end up with the puck, they just immediately call it back and instigate the penalty. If the team with the penalty touches it first, they get to play with impunity within a short time because there's an implied penalty resting behind the play. There are obvious differences between the two sports but you get the idea.

I think it would result in a better gameflow with more play-ons and more scoring chances. It would also protect the guy picking up the spilled ball and would guarantee that he wouldn't be able to lose the ball, at least until a successful disposal is made, or he takes enough time running with the ball that the advantage is valid.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Personally, I think the advantage rule could be pretty easily remedied, like it has been in many other sports. The umpire should be able to wait it out and decide whether or not the resulting play actually advantages the team that picked up the free.

Example, let's say a player gets spoiled in a marking contest and cops one high. Ball spills over the back and is picked up by one of his teammates, who takes it and runs it forward. Umpire would normally call advantage here. But let's say the player who took the ball shanks it and kicks it out of bounds. I think the umpire should just be able to take the play back to the original player and say the advantage is cancelled because no advantage was actually given to the team who took it.

In other words, when a player takes the ball instead of passing it back to the player who earned the free, the umpire should have discretion on whether the resulting advantage actually helps the team with the advantage or not. It eliminates the rubbish instances when a player takes advantage (sometimes without even realising a free was called in the first place), is instantly tackled and the ball spills free again, negating the original free kick. It would also give the advantaged team a short time horizon within which the play could be given the chance of being detrimental without risking a turnover.

This happens in the NHL. They call it a delayed penalty. An infringement occurs which would normally result in a 5-on-4 powerplay, but the puck spills free to open ice, so the refs wait to see who touches it first. If the opposition end up with the puck, they just immediately call it back and instigate the penalty. If the team with the penalty touches it first, they get to play with impunity within a short time because there's an implied penalty resting behind the play. There are obvious differences between the two sports but you get the idea.

I think it would result in a better gameflow with more play-ons and more scoring chances. It would also protect the guy picking up the spilled ball and would guarantee that he wouldn't be able to lose the ball, at least until a successful disposal is made, or he takes enough time running with the ball that the advantage is valid.

Yeah, I don't think there's any time limit of the umpires making decisions other than the ones they put on themselves.

 

[Shell]

Surely the ump could have called it back. Use your brain next time jfc.


Exact same kind of scenario re the entire Adelaide goal/point fiasco.

 

[Shell]

Why is the Sunday Footy Show starting at 11am? Or has my TV not changed time yet.

 

[Shell]