Opinion North Melbourne Priority Picks Part 2 - 2023/2024

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blitzer said:
Priority picks do not make a terrible side competitive in the short term. They are a medium/long term fix. 3-5 years. If you pick the right player.
Its kind of laughable that we are sitting here saying "oh yeah they really needed them because look how bad they still are" when actually the solution wasn't suitable for the problem they had.
What they should have been given is priority picks that they had to trade for mature players (100+ games or 25+) or else they lapsed. That might have actually made them competitive.
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sr36 said:
Yep. Draft picks are a stupid way of trying to get an uncompetitive team to be competitive. Give them a heap of extra money and cap space to poach.
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problem is nobody except jobbers on the fringe of better teams want to go to north and even getting them to come across requires massively overpaying them

would fisher and stephens be getting games for other clubs?
 
rye said:
problem is nobody except jobbers on the fringe of better teams want to go to north and even getting them to come across requires massively overpaying them

would fisher and stephens be getting games for other clubs?
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But that's the point - give thm the ability to massively overpay players.
 
It’s extremely hard to rebuild when your list gets this bad. They have almost no good mature players.

Players take years to develop and the draft is consistently compromised due to F/S, academies and comp picks. Hawthorn are closer to North than most realise, if you look at their list.

Another reason why they should reduce to 16v16. The talent pool is only going to get thinner.
 

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They really should have matched the McKay bid. He was more valuable to them then the pick 3 as well as just more important for the culture of the club

Giving up your best senior players and complaining you have no good senior players seems a bit dumb. It’s also a chance to set in a rot where LDU, Zurhaar and the like start wanting to leave too knowing that North will pack the bags for them and give them a hug on the way out

People so blinded by the pick they got, they forget about the structural and cultural impacts of it all being grander
 
blitzer said:
What they should have been given is priority picks that they had to trade for mature players (100+ games or 25+) or else they lapsed. That might have actually made them competitive.
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Isn't that literally exactly what happened? The priority picks were traded for Dylan Stephens and Zac Fisher
 
blitzer said:
Priority picks do not make a terrible side competitive in the short term. They are a medium/long term fix. 3-5 years. If you pick the right player.
Its kind of laughable that we are sitting here saying "oh yeah they really needed them because look how bad they still are" when actually the solution wasn't suitable for the problem they had.
What they should have been given is priority picks that they had to trade for mature players (100+ games or 25+) or else they lapsed. That might have actually made them competitive.
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In 2022, we received a future second and future third round pick that had to be traded. We got Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker.

Would've preferred the draft picks, tbh.
 
This is where North supporters are pulling their hair out.

It’s going to be a long rebuild but being forced to trade picks doesn’t work.

Effectively this is a Brad Scott endorsed Laura Kane strategy of being mandated to trade the picks and it dilutes the value.

Dylan Stephens, Zac Fisher and Darcy Tucker are not the answer and now we've gone and given them 4 years deal ffs.
Too early to call Logue who did his knee.

Then youu have our captains with one a big hit away from forced retirement and he’s got a deal till 2029 and the other is an absolute fraud.

We then have terrible list management in long terms deals been given to Coleman Jones, Stephenson and Corr that have been woeful additions.

Clarko and Viney can make us competitive again but the AFL has done us no favours. Then again Rawlings has to go.
 
Maybe it’s a cultural thing.

No one wants to play there, even the messiah can’t extract some extra burn out of their list. Having the messiah hasn’t increased anyone wanting to go there either.

Awful list management but having like 20 top 10 picks on your list, at some point or another they have to start hitting.

There’s so much talented top picks on the list that you have to think that it’s either something internal going drastically wrong or they’ll do a hawks (where they got so many top picks in the compromsied era before the expansion teams came in (similar to Tassie coming in soon)) and just win multiple premierships on the back of all the other teams have less access to top picks, and north having a prime age list of 20+ first round picks.
 
tazaa said:
This is where North supporters are pulling their hair out.

It’s going to be a long rebuild but being forced to trade picks doesn’t work.

Effectively this is a Brad Scott endorsed Laura Kane strategy of being mandated to trade the picks and it dilutes the value.

Dylan Stephens, Zac Fisher and Darcy Tucker are not the answer and now we've gone and given them 4 years deal ffs.
Too early to call Logue who did his knee.

Then youu have our captains with one a big hit away from forced retirement and he’s got a deal till 2029 and the other is an absolute fraud.

We then have terrible list management in long terms deals been given to Coleman Jones, Stephenson and Corr that have been woeful additions.

Clarko and Viney can make us competitive again but the AFL has done us no favours. Then again Rawlings has to go.
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this dude was half decent for collingwood and was bit of a good value recruit for north at the time. what happened to hm
 

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Philhawk said:
Trading a priority pick + doling out a 4 year deal for Stephens has to one of the most mind numbingly stupid list management decisions in recent memory.

Then I saw that did the same again with Fisher.
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Its absurd on so many levels

You draft Colby McKercher all the whilst having Bailey Scott on the other wing and then you go, "We need 2 more left footed wingers in our squad, even if 1 of them has to play in defense annd grossly out of position, I dont care, make it happen"

Add Darcy Tucker to the mix here and you got 3 wingers playing for 1 spots given McKercher has one sewn up the other 3 are earning probably 1 mill combined to fight for 1 spot. Its just absurd

Ive heard of Moneyball but Brady out here playing Hoardball. Just collect all the left footed wingers playing in VFL reserves and put them together like a Pokemon collection it seems. He 100% needs the sack mid season and no futher part in the next off season. He is a muppet
 
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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
They really should have matched the McKay bid. He was more valuable to them then the pick 3 as well as just more important for the culture of the club

Giving up your best senior players and complaining you have no good senior players seems a bit dumb. It’s also a chance to set in a rot where LDU, Zurhaar and the like start wanting to leave too knowing that North will pack the bags for them and give them a hug on the way out

People so blinded by the pick they got, they forget about the structural and cultural impacts of it all being grander
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Have you seen Charlie Comben?

Key backs haven't been the issue the last 2 weeks.
 
Sphynx said:
Have you seen Charlie Comben?

Key backs haven't been the issue the last 2 weeks.
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You conceeded 139 points with Cameron kicking 6 and Neale 3. Last week was 112 with Danihger kicking 5 goals 4 and Hipwood 3 goals 2. Its a giant issue

Amyway, Comben is a forward masquerading as a backmen at this stage. His game is CHF for sure.

He is the reason McKay was a bad move not proof it was a good one. He is pigeonholed into a position he is less good at to accomodate someone else
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Comben is a forward masquerading as a backmen at this stage. His game is CHF for sure.
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err, right.


5.5 Intercept marks, 3 contested marks per game and 5.5 spoils per game is a stat line pretty much only Sam Taylor and Harris Andrews are capable of at the moment.

If he manages to keep this up, not only is he a backman, he's a fantastic one.
 
Sphynx said:
err, right.


5.5 Intercept marks, 3 contested marks per game and 5.5 spoils per game is a stat line pretty much only Sam Taylor and Harris Andrews are capable of at the moment.

If he manages to keep this up, not only is he a backman, he's a fantastic one.
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The ball is constantly down there... He has a shitload of opportunities to take the intercepts lets say which is why that stat is high

He can mark the ball, but defending is about spoiiling, body work, being able to read the play, being able to dipose of the ball well when you get it. He has none of these attributes. He is your mark the ball at CHF and turn to boot it long kind of player im afraid

He is a great prospect but at CHB, he wont be playing his best football. Just like Zac Fisher wont be playing his best football of a HB
 
Tristan34 said:
Poor drafting. They were gifted pick 3 and what did they do with it? Grab another midfielder.. They already had plenty of them.. They should of traded it for two top 10 picks for a couple of KPD
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I reckon picking McKercher is close to the least of their worries. The kid looks as though he will be a serious player in time.

It's all well and good to say they shouldn't have drafted him but to then go on and say they should have split the pick for 2 in the top 10 isn't solving any issues.

Nor is suggesting they should have picked a KPD, with very few 18/19 year old key position kids capable of actually having an immediate impact at senior level.

As for trading for a "couple of KPD", again, it's all well and good to say it but who were the options? Who was willing to come? Who were clubs willing to let go of?

The best KPD on the market was Ben McKay and they did the right thing taking advantage of the absolute gift handed to them by Essendon and the league.

We certainly know he wouldn't have helped North on-field all that much, we have years of proof to lean on. With how easy it has been for teams to move the ball into North's defensive 50 you could add prime Scarlett and Silvagni and they'd be made to look second rate.
 
Jeremias said:
I reckon picking McKercher is close to the least of their worries. The kid looks as though he will be a serious player in time.

It's all well and good to say they shouldn't have drafted him but to then go on and say they should have split the pick for 2 in the top 10 isn't solving any issues.

Nor is suggesting they should have picked a KPD, with very few 18/19 year old key position kids capable of actually having an immediate impact at senior level.

As for trading for a "couple of KPD", again, it's all well and good to say it but who were the options? Who was willing to come? Who were clubs willing to let go of?

The best KPD on the market was Ben McKay and they did the right thing taking advantage of the absolute gift handed to them by Essendon and the league.

We certainly know he wouldn't have helped North on-field all that much, we have years of proof to lean on. With how easy it has been for teams to move the ball into North's defensive 50 you could add prime Scarlett and Silvagni and they'd be made to look second rate.
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Isnt that proof McKay isnt as bad as we all thought? He has been good for Essendon so far.

It isnt just the pick. Its club culture. You have created a concept of where its acceptable to abandon ship really. I have no doubt Zurhaar and LDU are looking elsewhere . If LDU can get 900k per year from Geelong, would he stay? If Essendon offer Zurhaar 600k and North offer 700k id suggest Zurhaar is off too

I think McKay wasnt the drastic overwin people say also. Firstly they got Duursma for McKay, not McKercher and all that is is one KPP like forward for a KPP like back which has then forced a KPP forward like Comben down back to cover McKay not being there. Its upsetting the makeup of the team to get a younger KPP back who isnt as certain to be better as McKay as you are prediciting here.

Not only that it then creates the circle of giving Stephens/Fisher stupid money because you need to fill the salary cap up that you had for McKay that isnt there anymore. Alot of the pick upgrade advantage they had from losing McKay was lost by giving up too much for these hacks

McKay was worth pick 10 id say not pick 3 but then they gave up things for Stephens who was really a delisted free agent like get and Fisher who should have been a max 4th rounder given Carlton were wanting to sell. Advantage lost

All this is is a obsession with draft picks over output and club strategy. They took the pick before they bothered thinking of any other outward impacts it has. The outward impacts are just huge and we will see that as time goes on
 
North need to be very careful at the moment.

I have no doubt they will be taking phone calls from the Managers of Caleb Daniel, Bailey Dale, Jack Macrae and Rory Lobb all looking for a move at their current contract value.

The Dogs have clearly stuffed up and overpaid these blokes. Dont let the Dogs off the hook. North should tell them to GAGF.

Especially Lobb. Let him play VFL and count his cash at the Dogs. His Manager must be the greatest salesman/con artist of all time.
 
WillHayward said:
North need to be very careful at the moment.

I have no doubt they will be taking phone calls from the Managers of Caleb Daniel, Bailey Dale, Jack Macrae and Rory Lobb all looking for a move at their current contract value.

The Dogs have clearly stuffed up and overpaid these blokes. Dont let the Dogs off the hook. North should tell them to GAGF.
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Daniel/Dale/Lobb are the better options then your Fisher/Stephens though.

In reality these 3 dont fit the list profile anyway. Dale/Daniel are much better off at West Coast if they wanna salary dump

I can see Lobb at Demons, Dale at Saints and a guy like Daniel at West Coast myself as the cheaper alternative to Liam Baker
 
I would welcome Bailey Dale to North. Definitely.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Ive heard of Moneyball but Brady out here playing Hoardball. Just collect all the left footed wingers playing in VFL reserves and put them together like a Pokemon collection it seems. He 100% needs the sack mid season and no futher part in the next off season. He is a muppet
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North are some shit talking kid outside of Pallet Town who’s team consists of 3 Rattata’s.
 

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