List Mgmt. OFFICIAL: Josh Caddy + 56 traded to Richmond for 24 and 64

[scottydeewah]

lolz @ unders. Why do people think Caddy is worth more than pick 24?

 

[Down at K Park]

Contracted player. I'm not saying he was worth a top 10 pick but imo he was worth somewhere between 15-20.

He was drafted at 7 and we traded a first round pick for him?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

lolz @ unders. Why do people think Caddy is worth more than pick 24?

Contracted.

 

[Whiskers]

lolz @ unders. Why do people think Caddy is worth more than pick 24?

Contracted, we traded a 1st round pick for him and now he is coming into his prime plus Richmond offered him a can't refuse offer.
If they wanted him so bad we should've played hardball.
The tigers seem to rate him whereas we were like oh we can't afford Deledio how about you take him anyway.

I imagine the trade took place like this

Tigers "what would you like for him"
Cats "pick 64"
Tigers "for a 24 year old?"
Cats "Ok 24"
Tigers "you still want 64"
Cats "yeah ok"
Tigers "give us 56"
Cats "ok"

 

[The Unforgiven]

We aren't trading Pokemon cards (is this even a thing?). This isn't fantasty football. You don't go around demanding things and then throwing a tantrum when you don't get your way.

I've agreed with a lot what you've said in here, but hold up a second. It was Richmond making a big play for our player who was contracted.

Unlike us, Carlton wouldn't even budge on a contracted player who had Adelaide offering them more than fair compensation. I don't agree that Caddy is worth a #15, but pick #24 alone was barely adequate compensation. Throwing in a sweetener? Come on!

 

[scottydeewah]

We traded pick 20 for him, no?

And he is worth less now as he has less upside.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

lolz @ unders. Why do people think Caddy is worth more than pick 24?

Even S.Hocking conceded that it was unders.

 

[scottydeewah]

No he didn't.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

 

[scottydeewah]

Link.

 

[Whiskers]

Link.

He upgraded their pick 64, that's why he considers it unders.

 

[scottydeewah]

Link

 

[Stan The Caddy]

The S.Hocking takes:

“We certainly acknowledge that fans are disappointed about him heading off. He certainly had a contract (with us) but from his perspective he has been provided with a four-year contract and experts will view it that we’ve got undoers but that’s ignoring the flexibility it provides us moving forward from a salary cap point of view.

“It allows us to do some things in the future, definitely, so it provides us a lot of flexibility and we get back into the draft. Even though it’s Pick 24 we still think that Steve Wells and his team will be able to identify a good player at that pick.”

“If you have a look at where Josh was playing once Menegola and Scott Selwood got going, he became more of a forward than a midfielder at the back end of the year, and our expectation is that those two guys having a full pre-season and being available for most of next year should mean that they will spend more time within that midfield,” he said.

“The other part for us is that guys like Cockatoo and Darcy Lang will find more time in the midfield with the opportunity that has been presented as well.

These are SH's comments for anyone who is interested.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

I've agreed with a lot what you've said in here, but hold up a second. It was Richmond making a big play for our player who was contracted.

Unlike us, Carlton wouldn't even budge on a contracted player who had Adelaide offering them more than fair compensation. I don't agree that Caddy is worth a #15, but pick #24 alone was barely adequate compensation. Throwing in a sweetener? Come on!

Richmond coughed up a first rounder for Yarran last year FFS.

 

[SJ]

These are SH's comments for anyone who is interested.

Haha the club can't lose.

Gain a player and talk only about the benefits (don't mention the costs).

Lose a player and talk only about the cost savings (don't mention the foregone benefits).

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Haha the club can't lose.

Gain a player and talk only about the benefits (don't mention the costs).

Lose a player and talk only about the cost savings (don't mention the foregone benefits).

And there wasn't one mention about the pick downgrade either.

 

[SJ]

Additional comments from Wells:

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...e/news-story/ffebaf85a631a1f75874da40c3ec33e1

Geelong list manager Stephen Wells said he not happy to lose Josh Caddy to Richmond.

“We are disappointed to part ways with Josh,” he said.

“I think the Tigers convinced Josh that he was going to get plenty of midfield time.

“We thought he would with us too. Richmond made it very clear to us that they weren’t willing to do a trade with us for Deledio, with what we offered.”

 

[dazbroncos]

Link

I dont think its quite the way its been presented, however Hocking I believe did make the comment that he thought the Caddy deal was light for us but to get 24 we had to add the back end pick other wise it was only 27 Richmond would offer.

And by offering Caddy more $$ than he was on, Caddy took it, we gave up the late pick, got 24 and the SC space that seems to be so much sought after.

FWIW - I think it was the secondary factors that they (GFC) looked at rather than the primary factors of the deal that added to the attraction.
Caddy wanted to play inside mid. With PFD, Sel, Scooter, Mengola and even Cowan at some bouces, that was not necessarily going to be the case.
They wanted SC space. Caddy out gave that.
IMO, they looked at the combined MF structure with out Caddy( listed above) - added the SC freedom - and took 24 to get back in to the front 1/2 of the draft this year.
Plus, Caddy knowing that he'd been open to the trade does not mean he'd look elsewhere next year if another bigger money deal came along.

Go Catters

 

[Football Tragic]

Richmond coughed up a first rounder for Yarran last year FFS.

Actually it was two second round picks. I would love to know what actually happened with the Caddy deal and why the recruiters/list manager agreed to let him go at all. Do you think it has something to do with your salary cap or the threat of free agency? I don't understand how players seem to be able to pick and choose the club they wish to go to even when they are contracted. I'm expected Dusty Martin to exit the club at the end of next year. What ever happened to club loyalty and clubs holding the power???

 

[Bobby_]

Dissapointing to lose one of the very few genuine tough nuts we have coming up in the team but there is also a positive to this deal. Caddy has a suspect knee issue which by all reports, will remain with him for the remainder of his playing days. Of course he was still a very handy player, and still has a lot more upside in his game but that knee of his will be a headache for Richmond in later years. I certainly would have preferred to keep him instead of obtaining pick 24 but it's just the concerns he may be facing when he hits 28, 29 years of age which is the issue from my perspective on this issue. And geelong_crazy26, I told you that Caddy was never fully commited into joining Geelong when he wanted out from the Suns. You just hold this psychotic view that all young players want to join Geelong because they were a powerhouse of the competition for five years between 2007-2011.

 

[PatrickBateman]

with some of that being a move back at times as we were lacking in defenders

Nope, he got pushed out by better performers. Menegola struggled in the finals, but his 6 games before that were as good if not better than any of Guthrie's 6. He just didn't get all the press cause he's not the blue eyed boy that everyone is waiting to succeed. Guthrie played a handfull of good games and everyone jumped on him too quickly. He's still like most of the average players in the AFL, can be good, but is generally inconsistent.

before having a good end and finals series.

Guthrie had a better end to the season because he was able to play more out of defence and get his hands on more of the footy in space. In the midfield, he was putrid in the 2nd half of the season. Finals series - He played 1 good game and 1 awful game. He had 20 touches against Sydney but slaughtered just about every one (his efficiency very bad statistically), got humiliated by McGlynn (who retired), and had 1 tackle for the whole game.

The guy can be useful in defence, I'm happy to say that. My point remains though, no premiership winning midfield will ever have Guthrie as a regular. He's just a terrible ball winner - very low % contested, and average user.

 

[scottydeewah]

Lol. WTF are you talking about?

Dude finished fourth in the B&F. Seriously.

Done more in last two seasons than Caddy, that's for shiz

 

[PatrickBateman]

Lol. WTF are you talking about?

Dude finished fourth in the B&F. Seriously.

Done more in last two seasons than Caddy, that's for shiz

Caddy was actually pretty good in 2016 until he got injured. Personally I think it's pretty hard to split them over the last 2 seasons when you factor Caddy's injury - he struggled afterwards. Both are great performers at their best, but very inconsistent. I liked Caddy's intent, Guthrie is one of the softest, least physical men I've seen step into an AFL midfield ever.

I love this repetitive 'he was 4th in the B&F'. You know that guy is struggling when that's all you lot can pull out to support his case.

Go to the Guthrie thread and look at the stats I've posted. As a midfielder he's rubbish.

 

[scottydeewah]

You can't ignore that Caddy had missed around 1/3 of the last 4 seasons because of injury.

2nd I care little for your stats. I have these things called eyes and a brain. One of which you lack.

He had a very good year. To say otherwise is just stupid.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Actually it was two second round picks. I would love to know what actually happened with the Caddy deal and why the recruiters/list manager agreed to let him go at all. Do you think it has something to do with your salary cap or the threat of free agency? I don't understand how players seem to be able to pick and choose the club they wish to go to even when they are contracted. I'm expected Dusty Martin to exit the club at the end of next year. What ever happened to club loyalty and clubs holding the power???

Fair enough. My mistake. Can you remember what the exact two picks were by any chance?

And as for the rest, free agency has completely changed the landscape of player movement.