Player Watch Pick #14 (2019) - Miles Bergman

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Theyre calling picks in the early [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]s first rounders now, so yes, absolutely. If we had picks and [emoji[emoji6]] and could get a x reigning AA player in his prime for them, every time.

He also had years on his contract. We didn't have to do shit, and I'd absolutely reverse the trade we did do.

It was a garbage trade.

Glad you’re not our list manager, actually I’m quite thrilled you’re not. Two firsts for a [emoji[emoji6]] HB drunk as a skunk.

And you’re not keeping a player against his will. That’s piss poor & culture killa. Your poster boy had a massive say in it too
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[Imhotep]

Goal assists only occur if the person you kick to directly scores the goal.

And then there's the terrible kicking at goal. If Dixon marks the entry and shanks the shot on goal. No Goal Assist for Bergman. Score Involvements from his forward 50 entries would be much more useful, because he doesn't get 'punished' for shanked shots, or if the player he kicks to gives off to someone else for a goal.

I mean that's nice and all, but at the time that stat was mentioned he was the only player with that many inside fifties and zero goal assists. Everyone who watches him play knows how many goals he gives up with poor kicks, both for and against. I think he's a great mark but he's a nightmare with turnover and the modern game is all about what you do with ball in hand.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Good points.

I will be putting extra into Bergman's kicking for the year.

If he gets it right, he'll be worth a whole heap more.

 

[Imhotep]

I actually just went to confirm the stat and it's worse than I remembered. Bergman actually holds the AFL record since 2003 for inside fifties and no goal assists with 55. He took the record from Brenton Sanderson who held it with 52. You can absolutely hold the forwards that he's kicking to partially responsible, we did have an all time horrible group of forwards last year. But responsibility needs to also rest upon Bergman's shoulders. We did finish second last year with two players in the top twenty for goal assists, so not like it was impossible to do.

 

[philthy05]

team whose entire gameplan was to flood players and kick long and bring the ball to ground is going to score less goal assists.

It’s not rocket science.


from memory in most of Bergmans time here ports also been one of the worst teams at scoring from transition from d50.

 

[Imhotep]

team whose entire gameplan was to flood players and kick long and bring the ball to ground is going to score less goal assists.

It’s not rocket science.


from memory in most of Bergmans time here ports also been one of the worst teams at scoring from transition from d50.

He broke the record for inside fifties without a goal assist Jesus!

Houston was top ten in the comp as a defender for goal assists, Farrell top 30.

Port Adelaide was top 6 for goal assists across the home and away season in 2024.

DBJ and JHF were both top thirteen for goal assists with noted piss blaster Boak 25th for the year, competition wide mind you.

He broke the record!!!!! AA and Zerk Thatcher managed to get goal assists as did Logan Evans who only played half a season.

Bergman is a truly shit kick there's no defending it.

 

[philthy05]

He broke the record for inside fifties without a goal assist Jesus!

Houston was top ten in the comp as a defender for goal assists, Farrell top 30.

Port Adelaide was top 6 for goal assists across the home and away season in 2024.

DBJ and JHF were both top thirteen for goal assists with noted piss blaster Boak 25th for the year, competition wide mind you.

He broke the record!!!!! AA and Zerk Thatcher managed to get goal assists as did Logan Evans who only played half a season.

Bergman is a truly shit kick there's no defending it.

As I said, team famous for a gameplan kicking to a flooded forward line to bring the ball down to ground.

You do realise those goal assists you’re talking about are from all avenues , and including stoppages.

Again , we’ve been one of the league worst teams at scoring from back half transitions

As for Houston and Farrell, both are designated hand off receivers who get up the ground. That’s not at all Bergmans role.

Zerk thatcher had 0 goal assists according to footywire. His inside 50s being lower can be attributed to the fact he short kicks a lot more while bergman drives very long, as evidenced by the extreme difference in their metres gained.


Yes, Bergman is not the type to lower eyes and hit targets, he’s a drive it forward long type.

..but to ignore that he’s playing a role in our side closer to zerk thatcher than to Houston or boak (lol) and port has played a brand of football routinely noted on this board for a decade now as not remotely conducive to scoring from chain of possession and marks inside 50 but rather chaos ball is funny.

You might as well knock Alir for not kicking 100 goals from chb.

 

[Imhotep]

As I said, team famous for a gameplan kicking to a flooded forward line to bring the ball down to ground.

You do realise those goal assists you’re talking about are from all avenues , and including stoppages.

Again , we’ve been one of the league worst teams at scoring from back half transitions

As for Houston and Farrell, both are designated hand off receivers who get up the ground. That’s not at all Bergmans role.

Zerk thatcher had 0 goal assists according to footywire. His inside 50s being lower can be attributed to the fact he short kicks a lot more while bergman drives very long, as evidenced by the extreme difference in their metres gained.


Yes, Bergman is not the type to lower eyes and hit targets, he’s a drive it forward long type.

..but to ignore that he’s playing a role in our side closer to zerk thatcher than to Houston or boak (lol) and port has played a brand of football routinely noted on this board for a decade now as not remotely conducive to scoring from chain of possession and marks inside 50 but rather chaos ball is funny.

You might as well knock Alir for not kicking 100 goals from chb.

First things first ZT had 1 goal assist for the year according to footywire. Do you know how to use the site?

Logan Evans? Burton? Lachie Jones? I understand your point I'm saying it's wrong. He had 55 attempts at having a single kick turn into a goal assist and failed something never done before in the history of the game.

You're correct he's not one to lower his eyes and hit a target. What does everyone bitch about on this board non stop? Players not lowering their eyes and hitting a target. Mitch Georgiades was the eighth highest recipient of goal assists in the league. So we definitely changed our system at least a little last year. Dixon only registered in the top 10 once in his entire time here.

Bergman's disposal over thirty meters is actually quite good and he ranks as one of our better ball users over that distance. Anything over thirty meters becomes a kick and hope and a near certain turnover.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Goal assists aren't going to be the stat you're going to accumulate from half back.

You may as well have a go at him for poor hits to advantage while you're at it.

 

[Imhotep]

Goal assists aren't going to be the stat you're going to accumulate from half back.

You may as well have a go at him for poor hits to advantage while you're at it.

He broke the AFL record my god he had 55 kicks inside fifty and not one was marked and kicked through the sticks. You'd have to be deliberately trying to not help your team score just based on statistics. Think about it. A team normally has 50 inside fifties a game and normally score about 12 goals he couldn't get one.

 

[philthy05]

And if you can’t see how the way port plays is going to skew those numbers , and how miles plays is going to skew those numbers then I don’t know how to address that.

Some of the highest kicking eff numbers are key defenders who can barely kick a ball better than a drunk toddler while elite mids with good disposal have some of the shittest eff % numbers

Context is everything.

If you want to ignore context go for it, but don’t be so surprised others aren’t.

 

[philthy05]

First things first ZT had 1 goal assist for the year according to footywire. Do you know how to use the site?

Logan Evans? Burton? Lachie Jones? I understand your point I'm saying it's wrong. He had 55 attempts at having a single kick turn into a goal assist and failed something never done before in the history of the game.

You're correct he's not one to lower his eyes and hit a target. What does everyone bitch about on this board non stop? Players not lowering their eyes and hitting a target. Mitch Georgiades was the eighth highest recipient of goal assists in the league. So we definitely changed our system at least a little last year. Dixon only registered in the top 10 once in his entire time here.

Bergman's disposal over thirty meters is actually quite good and he ranks as one of our better ball users over that distance. Anything over thirty meters becomes a kick and hope and a near certain turnover.

Literally says zero goal assists right here. Whether that’s accurate or not I don’t know and really, 1 goal assist means nothing in context of this discussion.

But zerk thatcher had 1 whole goal assist (maybe?) woah man, that blows this thing wide open. Miles zero goal assists is literally the worst thing to ever happen to port Adelaide.

 

[Imhotep]

And if you can’t see how the way port plays is going to skew those numbers , and how miles plays is going to skew those numbers then I don’t know how to address that.

Some of the highest kicking eff numbers are key defenders who can barely kick a ball better than a drunk toddler while elite mids with good disposal have some of the shittest eff % numbers

Context is everything.

If you want to ignore context go for it, but don’t be so surprised others aren’t.

You! You are ignoring shit! He broke the AFL record for ****s sake!!!!!! Everyone on this forum knows how Port play. It didn't stop literally any other defender getting a single goal assist.

He's a shit kick over thirty!! That's the point. I don't want to lose him but if we do and gain NWM I think it will make us a better side.

 

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You’re dreaming if you thought Dan was worth two first rounders. Would you pay two to get him back ?


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Considering we've spent our last two first round picks (plus change) on Josh Sinn, Ivan Soldo and Esava Ratugolea, yes, absolutely I would.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Glad you’re not our list manager, actually I’m quite thrilled you’re not. Two firsts for a HB drunk as a skunk.

And you’re not keeping a player against his will. That’s piss poor & culture killa. Your poster boy had a massive say in it too

What do you think 2 mid to late first round picks actually gets you? Go back and have a look at the picks in the teens over the last decade or so. Apart from 2019 which was a bit of a superdraft, i'm struggling to find 2 picks from any given year i'd prefer over Dan Houston.

Plenty of clubs have kept contracted players against their will and been fine. Geelong kept Ratugolea and Tim Kelly for a year after both requested trades and still got very good deals the following year. Sydney stopped Papley from leaving for Carlton and he's still there playing elite football.

The idea that Houston was going to torpedo the club because we refused to accept Collingwood's dogshit trade is silly. He'd have come out and played good footy this year and we could still have negotiated from a position of strength this year. Instead we showed weakness and Houston and Collingwood took advantage of it.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Bergman is drafted in November 2019, gets a standard 2 year contract up to 31/10/21.

Covid hits 2020, his first year is badly interrupted and he signs a new 2 year deal and announced in October 2020 taking him up to 31/10/23

June 2023 an announcement that he re-signs until 31/10/25.

September 2023, the 2023-2027 CBA signed between AFL and AFLPA and gives the players and salary cap, the following increases;
2023 back pay to 1st Nov 20222 10.9% = $15.02m/club
2024 5.1% = $15.79m/club
2025 12.5% = $17.76m/club
2026 3.0% = $18.29m/club
2027 0.8% = $18.44m/club

The 7 year media deal between 2025-2031 sees the AFL earn $77m extra cash in 2025 over 2024 and then each year the extra cash increases by $20m in 2026 over 2025, $21m extra cash in 2027 over 2026, $21m extra cash in 2028 over 2027, $22m extra cash in 2028 over 2027, $22m extra cash in 2029 over 2028, $23m extra cash in 2030 over 2029, and $23m extra cash in 2031 over 2029.

The AFL increase the base distribution it gives to all clubs by the amount the salary cap goes up by.

So the salary cap will probably go up by about $400k or about 2% for each of the remaining 4 years of the media deal 2028-2031.

The ASA's only went up $47k in 2023 and is fixed at $1.267m for the 5 seasons 2023-2027. The clubs have to fund this if they don't get an approved sponsor to fund all or part of it and not every player gets an ASA and the amounts don't have to be evenly spread, ie 1 player could take up 45% of the ASA amount

Then as I discovered a couple of weeks ago after missing it all together when the CBA was signed another out of the cap the best players will be getting:

- CBA was the agreement between the AFL and AFLPA to develop and introduce a Marketing Fund from 2024 onwards.
This initiative is set to enhance the earning potential for 50-80 of the most prominent players across the industry, including at least eight AFLW athletes....... The design of the fund is due to be finalised in the coming months and will see a minimum of $34.6 million paid to players over the term of the CBA.

So we should get 3 maybe 4 players who will get some of these monies.

Given the cap goes up by 12.5% in 2025 then 2 small increases in 2026 and 2027, and who knows how well his manager negotiated his 2024-25 contract period, ie if he got the full cap % increase, given his first re-signing in October 2020 covering 2022-23 seasons was probably a minimum chips type increase, I reckon he will command about $1 million per year in his next deal, or maybe a bit more, say $1.2m per year.

And I think he deserves it. After the 3 high profile mids, Miles and Georgides would be vying it out for the 4th most important player for Port.

We need to get Miles out of defence playing the 3rd tall and usually way out of his height division. We have to use his athletic prowess, as he has the best ability to run forward and back all day, that our attacking 3 high profile mids aren't great at doing the defensive running component. And that's the modern game, run all day up and then back down the ground.

JHF is underpaid given we gave him a 6 year deal and the first year was $120k + bonuses that a player gets in his first 2 years contract, as we covered that when he left North after 1 year and he probably only gets $600k or $700k per year for the other 5 years. Rozee and Butters would be our 2 highest players.

Wines' next contract will be a reduction in pay.

So it makes sense that he waits before he commits to Port to see how much other clubs are prepared to offer him.

I don't fear him leaving us yet.

I expect our list management guys to offer him an amount close to the big dollars that he will be offered by other clubs. The length of contract might be the sticking point, especially if a dopey St Kilda Finn Callaghan type offer is made to him.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

He broke the AFL record my god he had 55 kicks inside fifty and not one was marked and kicked through the sticks. You'd have to be deliberately trying to not help your team score just based on statistics. Think about it. A team normally has 50 inside fifties a game and normally score about 12 goals he couldn't get one.

I'm not a big fan of the goal assist stat and prefer the scoring involvement stat. The goal assist depends completely on whether the guy you give it to kicks a goal. You can lace out at the top of the square and he kicks a point and you don't get the stat. I would go as far to say that it is a bad stat.

It is not his job to get goal assists although it is nice.

His job is to defend and intercept, especially in the air. When he gets the possession back, it would be better for him to find Houston or Farrell or Burton to kick.

In regards to the stat, last year All Australian Dan Houston, now of the Collingwood Magpies, one of the finest kicks in the back half of the ground had 9 goal assists for the whole year. Another great kick out of defence Kane Farrell had 5 goal assists for the year.

The year before his goal assist stats are fine as well. This year we will see if it is a statistical anomaly or what is happening.

Having said that, he did play some wing early on last year so his numbers should be higher!!! but it was a position he didn't really enjoy and looked great down back.

Storm in a teacup stuff but I will say that a better boot on Miles could possibly move him into the stratosphere of the AFL.

The stats I would prefer to see the Iceberg do better in this year in order are intercepts, 1%ers, tackles, scoring involvements and overall possessions.

 

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Considering we've spent our last two first round picks (plus change) on Josh Sinn, Ivan Soldo and Esava Ratugolea, yes, absolutely I would.

Drafts are always a gamble, less so for a couple of first rounders.
You’d give up two first rounders for a [emoji[emoji6]] year old ? I call bullshit big time.


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