Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Billys Back]

Port Adelaide colours:

Blue and white, from formation in 1870 to the eve of the formation of Australia's first formal league competition, the SA Football Association in 1877.
Pink and white on entry as a foundation club with the SA Football Association in 1877 - and for the first seven seasons in the new competition.
Magenta and blue for the first premiership in 1884 - and the second (1890) and third (1897) and first Champions of Australia title in 1890.
And to black-and-white in 1902.


Did the magenta dye become too difficult to find at the turn of the century?

Or did the presence of another team wearing blue - Sturt as the SA Football League's seventh club from 1901 and with two shades of blue in its uniform - make it prudent for Port Adelaide to change again?

Remarkably, the majority of Port Adelaide Football Club members opposed the change from the "Magentas" when the club had its annual meeting at the Railway Hotel at Port Adelaide on Wednesday, March 26, 1902.

The Evening Journal reported: "A discussion took place on the question of the colours. It was mentioned the magenta and blue jackets were very unsatisfactory to the players and that it was impossible to procure properly dyed costumes.

"A proposal to submit the question to a committee for consideration was not entertained, and after a lengthy discussion it was decided to retain the old colours."

The Advertiser declared: "A discussion took place concerning the question of the club's colours. It was argued that the present colour faded rapidly and black-and-white was suggested as a substitute. A majority, however, decided for the retention of the magenta and blue."

At the SA Football Association meeting at the Prince Alfred Hotel in the city on April 28, Port Adelaide formally registered black and white as its new colours.


Beyond all doubt is why Port Adelaide took on a new look for its start in the AFL from the 1997 season - and four colours for the first time in the club's history.

Port Adelaide premiership captain Brian Cunningham (1979-1980-1981 SANFL flags) was in the club's chief executive chair in 1995 when the decisions had to be made on how the AFL team would be presented in the national league.

"We did not want to lose black and white, not when it had been our club colours for such a long time," Cunningham recalled of the decisions made months after the SANFL awarded Port Adelaide the second AFL sub-licence placed in South Australia.

"Black and white had to be part of the mix.

"The AFL (accepting Collingwood's protest there could be just one team in black-and-white stripes) wanted us to come up with another colour not being used by any other club."

No red, navy or royal blue, no yellow, no green ... and no purple.

I wonder why the AFL instructed the new team to enter the AFL competition to not use these colours either??

 

[Billys Back]

I didnt need to. a microsecond of looking at it identified a very unique guernset design in the prison bars.

walk through the streets of Sydney and chances are many wouldn't even be aware of Port Adelaide, let alone attributing black and white stripes to them. Most likely would assume it's Collingwood.

 

[jle101]

walk through the streets of Sydney and chances are many wouldn't even be aware of Port Adelaide, let alone attributing black and white stripes to them. Most likely would assume it's Collingwood.

Just like you assume Newcastle is Juventus?

 

[ExistToWin]

Why don't Collingwood change their Guernsey to something like this? If their worried about or prison bars looking to similar they can used less vertical stripes. It still looks like a Collingwood jumper to me, and its probably a bit of an upgrade tbh.

Next to the prison bars they now look like two completely different jumpers and Collingwood supports wont accidently buy prison bars, mistaking them for their own.

I think this is a great solution and compromise!

 

[Papa G]

Why on earth would you assume the bolded? Youre going up against the biggest club in the country (yes far bigger than even PA)

And I'll say again I dont personally see a clash and think PA should be able to wear the PB's but I cant see how you get around the contract as it stands. There are 3 parties to the contract and all 3 need to agree

We aren't going up against the biggest club in the country, that is West Coast, we are going up against the most looked after, moddy coddled, over exposed club in the country. And this is why, even if you like, hate or are indifferent to Port or the PB cause, as a supporter of a smaller Vic Club, or a Non Victorian club you should be 100% sympathetic to the ideal. Why? because it's an opportunity for the AFL to show that they don't just exist to serve and promote the bigger Victorian Clubs. It is a chance to tell Eddie to shut his fat ****ing Pie Hole and assert who is actually in charge. It is an opportunity for the AFL to show that its there for all, not the select few. The PB's is just a test case to see if the corruption of the league can be challenged.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

Yes. It must be. One of the teams is wearing black & white. Case closed, right?

I mean, it's not like there's a myriad of other ways to be able to tell which team is playing - such as the location of the game, TV scoreboard graphics, sponsors, the actual players themselves or the fact that Collingwood have never had a jumper design which looks like that.

But considering you fail to tell the difference between Juventus & Newcastle I can see how you managed to get confused here as well.

Nice attempt at trolling Billy... back to bed now champ.

You don't even need all those other things....
eg Greg Phillips - guess which parts of his career each of these photos are from?



I admit I wonder how so many Collingwood supporters coped watching footy on the television for so long, before colour.

 

[jle101]

You don't even need all those other things....
eg Greg Phillips - guess which parts of his career each of these photos are from?

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Easy done mate. If any so called "footy fan" cannot spot the differences here they may as well stop watching the game altogether.

Pretty impressive that big Greg managed to get a run for both Juventus & Newcastle! ;-)

 

[El_Scorcho]

Why on earth would you assume the bolded? Youre going up against the biggest club in the country (yes far bigger than even PA)

And I'll say again I dont personally see a clash and think PA should be able to wear the PB's but I cant see how you get around the contract as it stands. There are 3 parties to the contract and all 3 need to agree

Because we're going to keep asking and we only need one AFL CEO to say yes. Ultimately, this issue matters far more to Port than it does to any other club.

 

[parano1a]

Ultimately, this issue matters far more to Port than it does to any other club.

Maintaining a unique brand identity within Australia's Number 1 sporting competition is of paramount importance to Collingwood.

 

[El_Scorcho]

walk through the streets of Sydney and chances are many wouldn't even be aware of Port Adelaide, let alone attributing black and white stripes to them. Most likely would assume it's Collingwood.

And what harm is caused to Collingwood if people who don't care about football don't know what the difference between clubs?

And why is it an issue in the AFL when two teams wear the same colours, but not in basically every other major professional sports league in the world?

If I asked the average person from Adelaide to name NRL clubs based on their jerseys, they wouldn't be able to do it either.

 

[Outback Footy]

Because we're going to keep asking and we only need one AFL CEO to say yes. Ultimately, this issue matters far more to Port than it does to any other club.

You need both the AFL and Cwood to agree. Why would the Pies ever agree?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Maintaining a unique brand identity within Australia's Number 1 sporting competition is of paramount importance to Collingwood.

The identities are quite different and would be even if we wore the PBs for every home game. A brand is a LOT more than colours.

You need both the AFL and Cwood to agree. Why would the Pies ever agree?

As I argued before, I don't think we need Collingwood to agree. I don't think they've genuinely agreed any of the other times we've worn the bars either. We just need the okay from the AFL.

 

[Billys Back]

Just like you assume Newcastle is Juventus?

yep. One of the biggest clubs in Europe who are identified by their black and white stripes. Juventus is a much bigger club than Newcastle if you weren't aware.

 

[Outback Footy]

Why don't Collingwood change their Guernsey to something like this? If their worried about or prison bars looking to similar they can used less vertical stripes. It still looks like a Collingwood jumper to me, and its probably a bit of an upgrade tbh.

Next to the prison bars they now look like two completely different jumpers and Collingwood supports wont accidently buy prison bars, mistaking them for their own.

I think this is a great solution and compromise!


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Cwood changing to suit PA isnt a compromise LOL
They have absolutely no reason to change anything

 

[jle101]

yep. One of the biggest clubs in Europe who are identified by their black and white stripes. Juventus is a much bigger club than Newcastle if you weren't aware.

Wow. Now we've got the guy who struggles to define Newcastle from Juventus schooling me on who's who in European football.

Ok.

 

[Billys Back]

Wow. Now we've got the guy who struggles to define Newcastle from Juventus schooling me on who's who in European football.

Ok.

Unfortunately, you seem to be struggling here. If you can't keep up, I understand.....

 

[Outback Footy]

The identities are quite different and would be even if we wore the PBs for every home game. A brand is a LOT more than colours.



As I argued before, I don't think we need Collingwood to agree. I don't think they've genuinely agreed any of the other times we've worn the bars either. We just need the okay from the AFL.

Re the first point, if thats the case why the push to wear the PB's?

Re the second; Informal ad hoc arrangements have happened but dont challenge the contract. Once a year or less could be argued as maintaining the original intent. And you could well be right, the AFL may have twisted the Pies arm to get those arrangements in place. Anything more than that though would require the 3 way contract to be formally dissolved requiring all 3 parties to agree. Good luck with that. The only club pushing the AFL to force a change would be PA, and thats not enough.

The issue from an outsiders perspective is that theres a drive from PA to go far beyond both the letter and the intent of the agreement. And your club does have a history of doing that which doesnt win you any friends. To have any hope of changing the AFL position you need at least some support from the other clubs.

 

[parano1a]

As I argued before, I don't think we need Collingwood to agree.

You can think whatever you want but the AFL has to protect the IP of its existing clubs. Do you honestly think that if Glenelg was joining the league for the 2022 season and wanted to wear its current home jumper that Richmond would have no say in the matter?

 

[Outback Footy]

We aren't going up against the biggest club in the country, that is West Coast, we are going up against the most looked after, moddy coddled, over exposed club in the country. And this is why, even if you like, hate or are indifferent to Port or the PB cause, as a supporter of a smaller Vic Club, or a Non Victorian club you should be 100% sympathetic to the ideal. Why? because it's an opportunity for the AFL to show that they don't just exist to serve and promote the bigger Victorian Clubs. It is a chance to tell Eddie to shut his fat ******* Pie Hole and assert who is actually in charge. It is an opportunity for the AFL to show that its there for all, not the select few. The PB's is just a test case to see if the corruption of the league can be challenged.

Lol, "Bigger" means much more than membership. The pies are the most well recognised club in this country. I live in Rugby League heartland, people whove never seen a sherrin know what the pies colours look like. The only eagles they know are Manly. The only bulldogs are Canterbury. And what the **** is a "power"?

Ive said repeatedly I wouldnt have a problem with you wearing PBs, but the agreement your club signed does not allow it.

 

[jle101]

Unfortunately, you seem to be struggling here. If you can't keep up, I understand.....

This is pretty much Billy waving the white flag here. Massively vague post that has nothing to do with the post of mine that he quoted, inferring that I'm "struggling here". Struggling with what, champ?

Earlier he suggested I was "uneducated". Ironic, considering just how riddled his posts are with spelling errors & grammatical blunders.

Poor bastard.

 

[Outback Footy]

Collingwood and North? Blue and white stripes and black and white stripes. Unless you still have your black and white TV, it's very obvious they are different.
Togers and Bombers - again, one has a think yellow sash and the other has a thick red sash.

Anzac day both teams didn't even wear their proper gear. However, again, red and white are actually very different colours.

But you are talking about wearing black and white stripes. That is BLACK AND WHITE. Same colour as Collingwood. And then add to the fact that they are STRIPES. Yes, and Collingwood wear, you guessed it, STRIPES!

You objected to 2 clubs with similar looks, I responded. The PBs and pies stripes are much more different than alike. You cant claim proprietary ownership of colours. Did you know that 10-20% of all blokes are colour blind? Take the colours away and pick the difference between pies n north or tiges n bombers.

Looking at Cwood and PBs - the difference is stark. And theyd never be allowed to play against each other, one or the other would be in a clash jersey.

The ANZAC day clash of "special" jerseys was exactly my point. Pies n Bombers were both mostly black. Where was the dark v light clash concept that day?

In your world the dogs would never need a clash jersey, coz nobody else wears multi-coloured hoops. We dont have yellow, eagles dont have red or white (closest thing to a clash there is).

 

[El_Scorcho]

Re the first point, if thats the case why the push to wear the PB's?

Because our brand is based heavily around our heritage and the supporters overwhelmingly want it.

Re the second; Informal ad hoc arrangements have happened but dont challenge the contract. Once a year or less could be argued as maintaining the original intent. And you could well be right, the AFL may have twisted the Pies arm to get those arrangements in place. Anything more than that though would require the 3 way contract to be formally dissolved requiring all 3 parties to agree. Good luck with that. The only club pushing the AFL to force a change would be PA, and thats not enough.

The issue from an outsiders perspective is that theres a drive from PA to go far beyond both the letter and the intent of the agreement. And your club does have a history of doing that which doesnt win you any friends. To have any hope of changing the AFL position you need at least some support from the other clubs.

Collingwood can sue us for breach of contract and then try to argue damages, and that's when all of this falls apart. Collingwood have signed the 2007 contract but didn't actually give anything up in consideration.

There's also the fact that the AFL and Collingwood entered into that contract in bad faith, as admitted by Eddie on national television.

Port can certainly demonstrate a significant financial loss imposed on us by the AFL not holding up their end of the contract.

I'm happy to see it challenged in court if that's what it takes, but it won't be. The AFL will ultimately make a decision in our favour and Collingwood won't challenge it, because that challenge would call into question Collingwood's right to have a say on the matter at all. That's not in their interests.

You can think whatever you want but the AFL has to protect the IP of its existing clubs. Do you honestly think that if Glenelg was joining the league for the 2022 season and wanted to wear its current home jumper that Richmond would have no say in the matter?

The AFL does, but it can simply decide that the bars being worn doesn't have an impact on any other club, and that the bars being worn is for the good of the game.

Collingwood could challenge that, but it's risky if Collingwood want to maintain the illusion of control over this matter

 

[parano1a]

Because our brand is based heavily around our heritage and the supporters overwhelmingly want it.

So you say now, but this clearly wasn't the case in August 1995 when the "Port Power" brand was launched to the public.

On this day: Port Adelaide reveals its AFL brand to the world

20 years ago, Port Adelaide went from football powerhouse to Power in name as well!

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

 

[Bearded Clam]

Why don't Collingwood change their Guernsey to something like this? If their worried about or prison bars looking to similar they can used less vertical stripes. It still looks like a Collingwood jumper to me, and its probably a bit of an upgrade tbh.

Next to the prison bars they now look like two completely different jumpers and Collingwood supports wont accidently buy prison bars, mistaking them for their own.

I think this is a great solution and compromise!


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Why dont they?..

Umm, maybe because they dont have to do anything?.

Collingwood are simply happy to have things continue as is.. they can wear their black and white stripped jumper... and port cannot.

Have you missed the last few weeks of this arguement?..

 

[El_Scorcho]

So you say now, but this clearly wasn't the case in August 1995 when the "Port Power" brand was launched to the public.

On this day: Port Adelaide reveals its AFL brand to the world

20 years ago, Port Adelaide went from football powerhouse to Power in name as well!

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Okay. So? Are you trying to argue that brands can't evolve or revert to more historical branding?