Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 17

[Ford Fairlane]

He was playing?

Now you sound like me when I'm told Chayce Jones played.

 

[Alberton Proud]

Lol talking about using him to get back Luko or Rankine

#littlemexicangirl

 

[OneGreatClub]

If the Adelaide Football Club and their loser fans weren't so obsessed with making sure that Port didn't do better than them and instead obsessed with footballing excellence and being better than every team in the competition, they wouldn't be in the horrible position they are at the moment.

Losers obsess over the failures of others, because they feel that those failures diminish or lessen the hurt of their own failings. It's not just about culture and competent people with AFC...their entire spirit, their psyche...was and still is based around what Port Adelaide is doing. It doesn't matter how many flags they win as long as we never overtake them - that's their motto. It's why they obsess over our 2007 GF loss.

Winners don't want to play for a club like that. That kind of atmosphere is toxic as fu**. Damien Hardwick said it in Making Their Mark: "We are a glass half full footy club." In fact, watching that series brought into sharp relief how much better teams perform when they are enjoying football.

I look at the thread about McAsey over on the Crows board, and what do I see? Someone instantly comparing Adelaide's retention rate of players to Port. Now granted, you could give them a pass for this and say that they are trying to compare both South Australian clubs to see if Adelaide is falling down - but the post lists players that we chose not to give contracts to like Polec and Pittard, that actively shopped like Wingard, that left because we didn't fight to keep them like Howard. And even if you included all those players, it lists 2020 draft picks for Adelaide and not Lachie Jones for Port just so they could claim a 'win' in terms of how many people are still there.

Adelaide will never become the club they think they are until we become the club we know we are. It's only when Port Adelaide becomes the pinnacle for success in Australian Rules football that their obsession with us will drive them to make the changes they need. They've completely screwed the pooch on this rebuild already that they are three years into, so you're looking at *looks at watch* eleven years before they have a shot at winning another flag.

Yep

 

[Andre]

If the Adelaide Football Club and their loser fans weren't so obsessed with making sure that Port didn't do better than them and instead obsessed with footballing excellence and being better than every team in the competition, they wouldn't be in the horrible position they are at the moment.

Losers obsess over the failures of others, because they feel that those failures diminish or lessen the hurt of their own failings. It's not just about culture and competent people with AFC...their entire spirit, their psyche...was and still is based around what Port Adelaide is doing. It doesn't matter how many flags they win as long as we never overtake them - that's their motto. It's why they obsess over our 2007 GF loss.

Winners don't want to play for a club like that. That kind of atmosphere is toxic as fu**. Damien Hardwick said it in Making Their Mark: "We are a glass half full footy club." In fact, watching that series brought into sharp relief how much better teams perform when they are enjoying football.

I look at the thread about McAsey over on the Crows board, and what do I see? Someone instantly comparing Adelaide's retention rate of players to Port. Now granted, you could give them a pass for this and say that they are trying to compare both South Australian clubs to see if Adelaide is falling down - but the post lists players that we chose not to give contracts to like Polec and Pittard, that actively shopped like Wingard, that left because we didn't fight to keep them like Howard. And even if you included all those players, it lists 2020 draft picks for Adelaide and not Lachie Jones for Port just so they could claim a 'win' in terms of how many people are still there.

Adelaide will never become the club they think they are until we become the club we know we are. It's only when Port Adelaide becomes the pinnacle for success in Australian Rules football that their obsession with us will drive them to make the changes they need. They've completely screwed the pooch on this rebuild already that they are three years into, so you're looking at *looks at watch* eleven years before they have a shot at winning another flag.

Adelaide's best periods always come from fear of us. 97/98 was them in fear now they had competition for support in the state. Until then they were happy to win mostly at home and get flogged away. They could happily blame the evil Vics. 2005 just missing out was in response to our 2004. 2017 was them shitting themselves as a club as everyone loved us across 2013-2015.

The problem this time is they won't have the players / coaches for several years to pull themselves out of their default staring into the mirror and blowing kisses. This is our best chance in a generation to put the proverbial foot on the throat and become the top club in this state off field, as well as on.

Their obsession with us is of course a major issue, but I'd argue so is their deliberate distancing from their supporters. They've never seriously wanted club rooms where players can interact with fans as people, as more than a specially staged managed media event. For any footballer, especially not one growing up in SA, who may think that's somehow normal, stepping into that environment would have to feel like going to a normal job more than just about any other club. Of course it's a job for all these players, but you see how players still feed off the supporters, as much as vice versa. To have your own club stick artificial barriers around that would just feel unnatural for many players.

The players would also know that the club just sees them as employees not the current custodians on field of the club. They'd see that any other club there's a bunch of old players often around the place. Adelaide, unless working at the club, old players only get trotted out for the occasional anniversary / special event. When you're a player going there, knowing that as soon as you finish there the club won't give a shit about you, why would you give a shit about them? It's just punch your card, do your dues and go home.

 

[Janus]

GWS seemed focused on proving themselves to others the pre-game before they played Geelong rang alarm bells for me, respect comes as a byproduct of focusing on yourselves, winning & being ruthless ala Richmond.. I hope we are similar internally.
I can't remember the exact motivational sign in the GWS rooms but once again it was something about gaining respect it's counter productive imo probably a young club mistake, you also have a coach talking to his captain like a child "over here lad".

The one thing that struck me about Hardwick was just how focused on system he was. Even when they lost, it was like 'We know we're good enough, we know our system works, you fought it out and that's all I ask for'. I also liked the fact that Gale put it out in 2010 what he wanted Richmond to be by 2020 - 3 flags, 75,000 members. And they ****ing got it done. Sometimes you've got to put your nuts on the line.

Speaking of nuts on the line...GWS is just a mess. I get why they signed their talent to long deals, but the Cameron/Coniglio dynamic is pretty ****ing shit. Coniglio looks like a deer in the headlights all the time and didn't even agree with his omission from the team, but he also didn't push back against Cameron the way I would have expected a captain to do. He doesn't have the cojones to lead a footy club.

 

[edgie]

In a hypothetical world where Graham Cornes is still head coach of Adelaide when Port enter tb league, what happens? Are they still flag material? Do they crumble in to a heap? Is wrinkles committed?

I feel Blight was the exact right person and nobody else would've gotten it done. Was a South Aussie who was well aware of the local scene and Port Adelaide but was a big enough thinker to not become consumed by the small mindedness of it all.

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[JimmyBC]

In a hypothetical world where Graham Cornes is still head coach of Adelaide when Port enter tb league, what happens? Are they still flag material? Do they crumble in to a heap? Is wrinkles committed?

I feel Blight was the exact right person and nobody else would've gotten it done. Was a South Aussie who was well aware of the local scene and Port Adelaide but was a big enough thinker to not become consumed by the small mindedness of it all.

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Blight was a damn good coach in that era I guess Reid & a few others really got him there I don't think he's the West End SA Great type it was just the right circumstances, he seems to carry on more about Woodville than anywhere else in his twilight years.
I certainly don't think any other coach at the time goes back2back with that side other than #Malcom

 

[Bundilla]

Blight was a damn good coach in that era I guess Reid & a few others really got him there I don't think he's the West End SA Great type it was just the right circumstances, he seems to carry on more about Woodville than anywhere else in his twilight years.
I certainly don't think any other coach at the time goes back2back with that side other than #Malcom

I just want us to win the next 10 showdowns!!

 

[JimmyBC]

I just want us to win the next 10 showdowns!!

I just wanna win Premierships

 

[Sewer de Lance]

I’m old enough to remember just how pathetic, uncompetitive & shambolic the Fitzroy footy club was. A decade of just trying to avoid the ‘Wooden Spoon’ each year, let alone play finals beckons for the AFC.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I completely disagree with a concussion sub. It does nothing to stop concussions and i'm not sure why it's any different to any other game ending injury apart from the player being banned from playing for 12 days.

It also gives one team a fresh player at a key moment in the game. I know it won't be abused because to fake a concussion now the player has to miss the following week, but a fresh player is an advantage, even if the alternative of being a player down is a disadvantage. That's sports.

Stupid ways to make it fair:

- Concussions subs like the NHL emergency backup goalies where it's some accountant who plays in the ammos who comes on for only that game.
- The concussion sub has to sit on an exercise bike and go through a programmed course including interval sprints over the course of the game to be eligible to come on. If he's below the required pace when the concussion occurs he can peddle hard to get up to the required level.
- Parliament style, the opposition team grants a pair who has to sit out for the rest of the game, but he can play the following week.

 

[Jason K]

Lol how can you not at the moment? Unless you're stuck in the 1950s and enjoy handing off responsibilities to others. There should be millions vaccinated by now as promised and we wouldn't be thinking about hubs

Yeah I'm pretty sure there is a politics thread somewhere. I come here for football talk.

 

[PAFC04]

I completely disagree with a concussion sub. It does nothing to stop concussions and i'm not sure why it's any different to any other game ending injury apart from the player being banned from playing for 12 days.

It also gives one team a fresh player at a key moment in the game. I know it won't be abused because to fake a concussion now the player has to miss the following week, but a fresh player is an advantage, even if the alternative of being a player down is a disadvantage. That's sports.

Its not suppose to stop concussions, how can it.

It can also give the team that looses their BOG player who are ahead at that time to replace the player....

Just keep it simple, have 4 substitutes where a coach can replace any player at anytime for any reason. Why complicate the issue.

AFL are great for trying to reinvent the wheel.

 

[gbear]

The real crux of the substitute issue, is that some coaches are unsure of the fitness of their teams as their ability to run out normal length quarters With 5he called interchange rotations. The AFL should keep it as is. It will be far more entertaining watching the Geelong geriatrics huffing and puffing through the longer quarters!

 

[Marmozet]

Adelaide's best periods always come from fear of us. 97/98 was them in fear now they had competition for support in the state. Until then they were happy to win mostly at home and get flogged away. They could happily blame the evil Vics. 2005 just missing out was in response to our 2004. 2017 was them shitting themselves as a club as everyone loved us across 2013-2015.

The problem this time is they won't have the players / coaches for several years to pull themselves out of their default staring into the mirror and blowing kisses. This is our best chance in a generation to put the proverbial foot on the throat and become the top club in this state off field, as well as on.

Their obsession with us is of course a major issue, but I'd argue so is their deliberate distancing from their supporters. They've never seriously wanted club rooms where players can interact with fans as people, as more than a specially staged managed media event. For any footballer, especially not one growing up in SA, who may think that's somehow normal, stepping into that environment would have to feel like going to a normal job more than just about any other club. Of course it's a job for all these players, but you see how players still feed off the supporters, as much as vice versa. To have your own club stick artificial barriers around that would just feel unnatural for many players.

The players would also know that the club just sees them as employees not the current custodians on field of the club. They'd see that any other club there's a bunch of old players often around the place. Adelaide, unless working at the club, old players only get trotted out for the occasional anniversary / special event. When you're a player going there, knowing that as soon as you finish there the club won't give a sh*t about you, why would you give a sh*t about them? It's just punch your card, do your dues and go home.

This is exactly why we MUST win an AFL premiership now, because they’ll be in no position to respond any time soon.

You already made the point about 97/98 and then how they almost responded to 2004 with their 05/06.

For example, if we won the 2014 flag then that might’ve been the motivation for them to go all the way in 2016 or 2017.

Win the 2021 flag and they won’t be able to do shit about it!

 

[manureid]

If the Adelaide Football Club and their loser fans weren't so obsessed with making sure that Port didn't do better than them and instead obsessed with footballing excellence and being better than every team in the competition, they wouldn't be in the horrible position they are at the moment.

Losers obsess over the failures of others, because they feel that those failures diminish or lessen the hurt of their own failings. It's not just about culture and competent people with AFC...their entire spirit, their psyche...was and still is based around what Port Adelaide is doing. It doesn't matter how many flags they win as long as we never overtake them - that's their motto. It's why they obsess over our 2007 GF loss.

Winners don't want to play for a club like that. That kind of atmosphere is toxic as fu**. Damien Hardwick said it in Making Their Mark: "We are a glass half full footy club." In fact, watching that series brought into sharp relief how much better teams perform when they are enjoying football.

I look at the thread about McAsey over on the Crows board, and what do I see? Someone instantly comparing Adelaide's retention rate of players to Port. Now granted, you could give them a pass for this and say that they are trying to compare both South Australian clubs to see if Adelaide is falling down - but the post lists players that we chose not to give contracts to like Polec and Pittard, that actively shopped like Wingard, that left because we didn't fight to keep them like Howard. And even if you included all those players, it lists 2020 draft picks for Adelaide and not Lachie Jones for Port just so they could claim a 'win' in terms of how many people are still there.

Adelaide will never become the club they think they are until we become the club we know we are. It's only when Port Adelaide becomes the pinnacle for success in Australian Rules football that their obsession with us will drive them to make the changes they need. They've completely screwed the pooch on this rebuild already that they are three years into, so you're looking at *looks at watch* eleven years before they have a shot at winning another flag.

All I can say is, if they really thing they are better at player retention than us, then long may they think that because then they will never fix the issue.

 

[spookism]

I completely disagree with a concussion sub. It does nothing to stop concussions and i'm not sure why it's any different to any other game ending injury apart from the player being banned from playing for 12 days.

It also gives one team a fresh player at a key moment in the game. I know it won't be abused because to fake a concussion now the player has to miss the following week, but a fresh player is an advantage, even if the alternative of being a player down is a disadvantage. That's sports.

Stupid ways to make it fair:

- Concussions subs like the NHL emergency backup goalies where it's some accountant who plays in the ammos who comes on for only that game.
- The concussion sub has to sit on an exercise bike and go through a programmed course including interval sprints over the course of the game to be eligible to come on. If he's below the required pace when the concussion occurs he can peddle hard to get up to the required level.
- Parliament style, the opposition team grants a pair who has to sit out for the rest of the game, but he can play the following week.

The Sub could be in the change rooms going through a match simulation on a VR system in real-time to the game. Injury happens halfway through the 3rd, he's all ready to come on after snagging 14 possessions and a goal against a computer.

 

[GremioPower]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Recommitted - Fischer McAsey - signed contract extension until 2023

Worell is gone as far as I understand it. Club is worried about Fisher as well. I'm saying is 70/30 with him leaving. There is a reason the club went heavy SA, and it wasn't because of Brad Crouch leaving. The list management guys have a pretty good idea on which players will leave and which...

www.bigfooty.com

Recommitted - Fischer McAsey - signed contract extension until 2023

Worell is gone as far as I understand it. Club is worried about Fisher as well. I'm saying is 70/30 with him leaving. There is a reason the club went heavy SA, and it wasn't because of Brad Crouch leaving. The list management guys have a pretty good idea on which players will leave and which...

www.bigfooty.com

Yep, I had read that too.

 

[finbarr]

Kymbo refuses to acknowledge there's a problem and it's all bullshit LOL

Problem gamblers always manage to convince themselves they don't have a problem....

 

[Buget]

I completely disagree with a concussion sub. It does nothing to stop concussions and i'm not sure why it's any different to any other game ending injury apart from the player being banned from playing for 12 days.

It also gives one team a fresh player at a key moment in the game. I know it won't be abused because to fake a concussion now the player has to miss the following week, but a fresh player is an advantage, even if the alternative of being a player down is a disadvantage. That's sports.

The whole idea of the concussion sub is prevent people from gaming the system, it is an incentive to look after the player. It's sad that the game has come to it but it doesn't matter what the rules are, teams will game them. It is disappointing that they will do it for such an important thing as a long term injury.

I have no issues with a concussion sub. But potentially, the call should be made by an independent doctor. As a player who is concussed now can't play for 12 days, in the heat of the moment, stupid decision are made. Would you want to be the club doctor telling Ebert that he wouldn't be able play in the GF half was through last years PF?

I would also suggest actions, such as sling tackles and deliberate high bumps that results in a player being concussed should result in longer suspensions. Team-A are now down a first 22 player for at least 1 round, the deliberate action should result in a longer suspension as a result.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Problem gamblers always manage to convince themselves they don't have a problem....

The other thing he does is only talk about the crows wins no matter how insignificant on field or off.

Never talk about or acknowledge losses.

Another trait of the problem gambler.

 

[Buget]

I am watching Showdown 1.... Yes, I am on leave without much to do....

To tell you the truth, it wasn't much of a game (some good fights though). One thing that I noticed was that every time a player went to pick the ball up from the ground, they turn the body so that players are coming together hip-to-hip, thus protecting their heads.

Is this not coached anymore? I remember being taught to do the same when playing juniors.

It is also interesting to see traditional rovers getting front and square off packs to crumb the ball and forwards playing out of the square.

 

[Steve Dore]

I am watching Showdown 1....

Who's playing?

 

[Papa G]

I am watching Showdown 1.... Yes, I am on leave without much to do....

To tell you the truth, it wasn't much of a game (some good fights though). One thing that I noticed was that every time a player went to pick the ball up from the ground, they turn the body so that players are coming together hip-to-hip, thus protecting their heads.

Is this not coached anymore? I remember being taught to do the same when playing juniors.

It is also interesting to see traditional rovers getting front and square off packs to crumb the ball and forwards playing out of the square.

Its a bit like in cricket now where players get constantly hit in the head. They take on the short ball on the front foot. Even in the halcyon days of the West Indies/Pakistan attacks of the 80s/90s, you rarely saw a batsman get hit in the head because they were taught (and out of necessity) self preservation

 

[chiwigi]

Its a bit like in cricket now where players get constantly hit in the head. They take on the short ball on the front foot. Even in the halcyon days of the West Indies/Pakistan attacks of the 80s/90s, you rarely saw a batsman get hit in the head because they were taught (and out of necessity) self preservation

Same thing in gridiron, helmets increased head trauma massively as people saw an opportunity, it also started happening in rugby when people were wearing scrum caps, hence they were banned in many positions.