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[TeeKray]

The guy who wrote the article in the Fin Review said on SEN this morning that he was surprised the take out from his article was the religious stuff rather than the NAB stuff which is much more fundamentally related to a CEO role. He even said he didn't think the former should've disqualified him from the position but the latter should've.

It's an interesting insight into how the AFL industry will immediately jump on issues relating to image and values but are much slower to identify issues of corporate governance. Might explain why there are so many unprofessional or even downright shady things that happen such as supplements programmes, torture camps, coaches abusing human rights, etc, let alone the rest that we probably don't hear about or haven't heard about yet.

 

[PatientMental]

The guy who wrote the article in the Fin Review said on SEN this morning that he was surprised the take out from his article was the religious stuff rather than the NAB stuff which is much more fundamentally related to a CEO role. He even said he didn't think the former should've disqualified him from the position but the latter should've.

It's an interesting insight into how the AFL industry will immediately jump on issues relating to image and values but are much slower to identify issues of corporate governance. Might explain why there are so many unprofessional or even downright shady things that happen such as supplements programmes, torture camps, coaches abusing human rights, etc, let alone the rest that we probably don't hear about or haven't heard about yet.

Optics are everything

 

[jakey]

Meninga the funniest. Fantasia the whendidthathappeningest

The Billy Brownless tilt at Vic politics is pretty incredible (trigger warning footage from TFS)

 

[edgie]

Go have a chat to Bachar's Imam and ask him his views on Abortion amd Homosexuality. Everybody widely knows Islams stance on the subject. Last year a Muslim AFLW player sat out of Pride Round due to her religious beliefs. She's still playing.

I honestly don't give a Flying * about some Happy Clapper Churchie guy, just pointing out the absolute hypocricy.

Are those views available publicly and done with a comparison to the holocaust?

Yeah that AFLW should probably be given the boot, maybe like Gary Ablett Jnr too, in the name of a consistent enforcement of cultural standards, but, can't find anything similar that Houli has done. What happens behinds closed doors are that. If you would like to go down that path, then sack all AFL players, because I guarantee 100% of them have used homosexual slurs in private company before.

 

[OneGreatClub]

The fallout begins

 

[edgie]

Wonder if George Pell still has a Richmond membership

 

[PatientMental]

The fallout begins

loooooooooool

 

[jabba5114]

That moment you're at the chemist staring at the worker realising it's Daryl Wakelin.

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[Grave Danger]

That moment you're at the chemist staring at the worker realising it's Daryl Wakelin.

Did you ask for a discount?

 

[jabba5114]

Did you ask for a discount?

Nah he was serving someone else. I 100% ignored the chick serving me though lol. Thinking holy shit that's Daryl ****ing Wakelin.

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[chiwigi]

There are irreconcilable conflicts between a stated policy of tolerance, and intolerant people.

We accept everyone, unless they disagree, and think some people don't deserve acceptance. We don't accept that.

It's an absolute minefield, and I don't know what the answer is.

I don't think allowing evangelicals with these types of views to hold positions of power, as long as they doesn't express or act in accordance with their religious beliefs, is any better.

I recently read a book called the believer, where the author spent some time living with Mennonites in New York. It was fascinating reading as they tried to rationalise this same conflict, between their desire to love and accept all of God's creatures, and their calling to spread the word of God and show the people that they love and accept them by convincing them that they are living an unacceptable life. Even they couldn't quite manage it, not in a way that sat 100% comfortably.

I agree, however the very nature of evangelism makes conflict inevitable.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The guy who wrote the article in the Fin Review said on SEN this morning that he was surprised the take out from his article was the religious stuff rather than the NAB stuff which is much more fundamentally related to a CEO role. He even said he didn't think the former should've disqualified him from the position but the latter should've.

It's an interesting insight into how the AFL industry will immediately jump on issues relating to image and values but are much slower to identify issues of corporate governance. Might explain why there are so many unprofessional or even downright shady things that happen such as supplements programmes, torture camps, coaches abusing human rights, etc, let alone the rest that we probably don't hear about or haven't heard about yet.

That's Joe Aston of Rear Window.

God saved Essendon from Andrew Thorburn

The appointment of the former NAB CEO to run the Essendon Football Club landed like a turd in the punch bowl.

www.afr.com

The appointment of former National Australia Bank boss Andrew Thorburn as the CEO of Essendon Football Club landed like a turd in the punch bowl. The fierce indignation centred on Thorburn’s extracurricular role as the chairman of a church that espouses Old Testament views of homosexuality as a “sexual immorality” and compares abortion to the Holocaust. “Absolutely appalling” is how Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews described these attitudes on Tuesday, and himself as a “disappointed Essendon supporter”.

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Late on Tuesday, Thorburn resigned just 24 hours into his commission. Earlier in the day, he was defending how “my faith has helped me become a better leader”. “That’s really what I want people to look at, look at my actions, look at my words as a leader and the organisations I’ve created…”

His last organisation charged customers – including dead ones – more than $650 million in fees for no service, then in the witness stand he tried to dismiss it as carelessness. This man of great integrity was so soundly flayed by the Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry that he was forced to resign immediately upon the release of its final report.

It caused commissioner Kenneth Hayne some umbrage that “Mr Thorburn sought to assert that no one knew this was happening. The money just kept ‘falling into NAB’s pocket’… He sought to portray the charging of fees for no service as a product of poor systems and carelessness. It was, in his words, ‘just professional negligence’… I cannot and do not accept this.”

‘Rotten culture’​

Hayne found that “NAB also stands apart from the other three major banks. Having heard from both the CEO, Mr Thorburn, and the chair, Dr [Ken] Henry… I was not persuaded that NAB is willing to accept the necessary responsibility for deciding, for itself, what is the right thing to do, and then having its staff act accordingly … Overall, my fear – that there may be a wide gap between the public face NAB seeks to show and what it does in practice – remains.” This is unequivocally the description of an unethical organisation whose rotten culture flowed down from the very top.

On Monday, Essendon president David Barham boasted that, “to my knowledge, no other AFL club has ever secured the services of an ASX-listed top 10 company CEO to run its club”. Barham omitted a key adjective here. Thorburn is a disgraced former ASX 10 company CEO. No other AFL club has ever secured the services of a disgraced former ASX 10 company CEO for the very good reason that no other AFL club has ever sought to.

How was it, precisely, that Essendon secured Thorburn’s services? Melbourne’s Herald Sun reported on August 27 that Thorburn had been engaged by Essendon to “conduct an independent review … which will focus on”, among other things, “the appointment of a new CEO”. That’s right, Thorburn did at Essendon Football Club in 2022 precisely what David Gonski did at the Future Fund in 2012 and what Dick Cheney did in 2000 as chairman of George W. Bush’s vice-presidential search committee: he used his position as the headhunter to win the job for himself.
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[RussellEbertHandball]

The Fin Review journo Joe Aston on SEN this morning.

Financial Review columnist Joe Aston joins Kane Cornes on Mornings (5.10.22)

The boys spoke about the article written by Joe about Andrew Thorburn's chequered history.

player.whooshkaa.com

 

[bomberclifford]

The guy who wrote the article in the Fin Review said on SEN this morning that he was surprised the take out from his article was the religious stuff rather than the NAB stuff which is much more fundamentally related to a CEO role. He even said he didn't think the former should've disqualified him from the position but the latter should've.

It's an interesting insight into how the AFL industry will immediately jump on issues relating to image and values but are much slower to identify issues of corporate governance. Might explain why there are so many unprofessional or even downright shady things that happen such as supplements programmes, torture camps, coaches abusing human rights, etc, let alone the rest that we probably don't hear about or haven't heard about yet.

The NAB stuff was probably what got him the role. They know he'll do what it takes regardless of those pesky rules and shit.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Yet Bachar Houli and his faith are widely celebrated and promoted by the AFL. It's a funny old world.

Yep, if you read about the Islam faith and where they stand on homosexuality it's pretty much the same as the ex Essendon's CEO and his Church's stance.

 

[jakey]

Yep, if you read about the Islam faith and where they stand on homosexuality it's pretty much the same as the ex Essendon's CEO and his Church's stance.

Are we gonna trawl through AFL lists and extract every fundie Christian to call them out alongside Bachar (who I don't believe has actually expressed a public view on homosexuality FWIW)?

 

[Sleezy]

Yep, if you read about the Islam faith and where they stand on homosexuality it's pretty much the same as the ex Essendon's CEO and his Church's stance.

Perhaps, but like Christianity, Islam is not a monolith. There are a wide variety of gradations within it, and neither you nor I know where Bachar Houli sits amongst those gradations.

 

[Papa G]

The Essendon Guy never expressed those opinions either. Again, the hypocricy is mind blowing.

 

[jakey]

The Essendon Guy never expressed those opinions either. Again, the hypocricy is mind blowing.

You're right, he only led the organisation that expressed those opinions. That's so different.

 

[RossFC]

 

[Festerz]

You're right, he only led the organisation that expressed those opinions. That's so different.

Yep. Or as the Herald Sun put it:

 

[Jojay]

Lol thought he just got traded to the dons before I took a closer look

 

[Festerz]

Lol thought he just got traded to the dons before I took a closer look

As did I!!!

Sneaky Rossco.

 

[Papa G]

You're right, he only led the organisation that expressed those opinions. That's so different.

And Islam doesn't express those opinions... openly? As did almost every Church demonination up until 10, maybe 20 years ago? I mean a religious organisation being anti abortion anti homosexuality is hardly earth shattering stuff. Were you born yesterday? It is illegal to be gay in almost every single Muslim country. In 13 of them it is punishable by death. Bachar Houli seems like a really decent chap, but if we are cancelling people by religious association, as they have done with this Essendon fellow, well you'd have to say that old Bachar shoiuld be fired into the sun by the cancellation brigade.

 

[edgie]

And if Bacha's particular congregation put up extremely intolerant views in to the public I would expect him to be given the boot as well, and disown those views.

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