Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 23

[Festerz]

Colin Carter has been banging on about this for a decade now as Geelong have 7 other premierships in the VFA, plus i think a couple other pre 1877.

He wants to count premierships before the VFA was formed in 1877 and VFA premierships as AFL premierships. I don't know exactly what the competition(s) was (were) between 1870 and 1876 but it wasn't the VFA.

I have no problem each individual club saying the have x + y + z premierships, just like we say 36 +1 but they don't get counted all as V/AFL premierships.

Thanx for clarification on that.

What really got me was Gil McLachlan, AFL CEO launching the thing at the MCG. And yet he runs a bloody mile at any attempt by Port to recognise its past history.

 

[Andre]

Colin Carter has been banging on about this for a decade now as Geelong have 7 other premierships in the VFA, plus i think a couple other pre 1877.

He wants to count premierships before the VFA was formed in 1877 and VFA premierships as AFL premierships. I don't know exactly what the competition(s) was (were) between 1870 and 1876 but it wasn't the VFA.

I have no problem each individual club saying they have x + y + z premierships, just like we say 36 +1 but they don't get counted all as V/AFL premierships.

It should be further and VFL and AFL premierships counted separately. Where to draw the line on AFL is another debate (I'd go 1986 with Brisbane and West Coast in as the first year they'd count from). We don't get to count SANFL flags, yet wins against University and Fitzroy from the days of suburban Vic footy count alongside those in a national competition.

 

[RossFC]

 

[VineValerian]

Thought the headline read "Aunty Jack" at first until I re-read it

May have to rip their bloody arms orf

 

[El Zorro]

It should be further and VFL and AFL premierships counted separately. Where to draw the line on AFL is another debate (I'd go 1986 with Brisbane and West Coast in as the first year they'd count from). We don't get to count SANFL flags, yet wins against University and Fitzroy from the days of suburban Vic footy count alongside those in a national competition.

I agree, time to and this VFL/AFL BS. But we all know it won't happen as the AFL is actually still the VFL. WC's first season was 1987.

 

[El Zorro]

This is how it looks like post-1987. The % of clubs from each state isn't an exact measure if they all arrived at different times since then. But it gives you an idea.

UPDATED:

Club	Premierships
Hawthorn	7
West Coast	4
Geelong	4
Richmond	3
Brisbane Lions	3
Adelaide	2
Carlton	2
Collingwood	2
Essendon	2
North Melbourne	2
Sydney Swans	2
Melbourne	1
Port Adelaide	1
Western Bulldogs	1
Fremantle	0
Gold Coast	0
GWS	0
St Kilda	0
TOTAL	36
		% Prem	% Clubs
VIC	24	67%​	56%​
SA	3	8%​	11%​
WA	4	11%​	11%​
NSW	2	6%​	11%​
QLD	3	8%​	11%​
		100%​	100%​

 

[tribey]

Colin Carter has been banging on about this for a decade now as Geelong have 7 other premierships in the VFA, plus i think a couple other pre 1877.

He wants to count premierships before the VFA was formed in 1877 and VFA premierships as AFL premierships. I don't know exactly what the competition(s) was (were) between 1870 and 1876 but it wasn't the VFA.

I have no problem each individual club saying they have x + y + z premierships, just like we say 36 +1 but they don't get counted all as V/AFL premierships.

Yeah, I feel like this whole thing has been clouded by the misnomer that Port demands SANFL flags be counted as the direct equivalent of VFL/AFL flags in any overarching conflated tally, and all the associated wailing and gnashing of teeth that comes with it.

What’s so hard about the record books reflecting a club’s entire history and honours, whether that’s SANFL, VFA or otherwise?

 

[bomberclifford]

Yeah, I feel like this whole thing has been clouded by the misnomer that Port demands SANFL flags be counted as the direct equivalent of VFL/AFL flags in any overarching conflated tally, and all the associated wailing and gnashing of teeth that comes with it.

What’s so hard about the record books reflecting a club’s entire history and honours, whether that’s SANFL, VFA or otherwise?

I had some Reddit dude arguing that we needed to count our wooden spoons too if we count our premierships. Like bro, they're there in the record books, it's not like we've had them expunged. Besides, who in their right mind is going to celebrate failed seasons?

 

[Grave Danger]

This is how it looks like post-1987. The % of clubs from each state isn't an exact measure if they all arrived at different times since then. But it gives you an idea.

2022​	Geelong Cats
2021​	Melbourne		Club	Premierships
2020​	Richmond		Hawthorn	7
2019​	Richmond		West Coast	4
2018​	West Coast		Geelong	3
2017​	Richmond		Richmond	3
2016​	Western Bulldogs		Brisbane Lions	3
2015​	Hawthorn		Adelaide	2
2014​	Hawthorn		Carlton	2
2013​	Hawthorn		Collingwood	2
2012​	Sydney Swans		Essendon	2
2011​	Geelong		North Melbourne	2
2010​	Collingwood		Sydney Swans	2
2009​	Geelong		Melbourne	1
2008​	Hawthorn		Port Adelaide	1
2007​	Geelong		Western Bulldogs	1
2006​	West Coast		Fremantle	0
2005​	Sydney Swans		Gold Coast	0
2004​	Port Adelaide		GWS	0
2003​	Brisbane Lions		St Kilda	0
2002​	Brisbane Lions		TOTAL	35
2001​	Brisbane Lions				% Prem	% Clubs
2000​	Essendon		VIC	23	66%​	56%​
1999​	North Melbourne		SA	3	9%​	11%​
1998​	Adelaide		WA	4	11%​	11%​
1997​	Adelaide		NSW	2	6%​	11%​
1996​	North Melbourne		QLD	3	9%​	11%​
1995​	Carlton
1994​	West Coast				100%​	100%​
1993​	Essendon
1992​	West Coast
1991​	Hawthorn
1990​	Collingwood
1989​	Hawthorn
1988​	Hawthorn
1987​	Carlton

Geelong now has 4 flags in that period - out of 36 seasons. May skew your percentages a bit.

 

[tribey]

I had some Reddit dude arguing that we needed to count our wooden spoons too if we count our premierships. Like bro, they're there in the record books, it's not like we've had them expunged. Besides, who in their right mind is going to celebrate failed seasons?

In a similar vein, I’ve run into knuckleheads who think they’ve landed a gotcha with ‘if history is so important to you, why don’t you ever want to wear the other guernseys from the past?’, as if we hadn’t worn the magenta, hoops and 1997 home and away guernseys in retro games before.

 

[TazD]

Norf has chosen the wet lettuce approach with TT.

 

[MrMeaner]

North seem to be developing a bit of a culture there.

 

[TeeKray]

Yeah, I feel like this whole thing has been clouded by the misnomer that Port demands SANFL flags be counted as the direct equivalent of VFL/AFL flags in any overarching conflated tally, and all the associated wailing and gnashing of teeth that comes with it.

What’s so hard about the record books reflecting a club’s entire history and honours, whether that’s SANFL, VFA or otherwise?

Yeah. And it's not like a VFL flag from the 1930s is very equivalent to an AFL flag from 2022 either, despite this VFL/AFL premiership tally stuff.

In the end, it's all a bit of a wank. Does anyone actually care about premierships won at any time in any league apart from the ones won by their own club?

 

[edgie]

Yeah. And it's not like a VFL flag from the 1930s is very equivalent to an AFL flag from 2022 either, despite this VFL/AFL premiership tally stuff.

In the end, it's all a bit of a wank. Does anyone actually care about premierships won at any time in any league apart from the ones won by their own club?

All evidence suggests they do.

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[El Zorro]

Geelong now has 4 flags in that period - out of 36 seasons. May skew your percentages a bit.

Bloody AFL has "Geelong" and "Geelong Cats" on the same list. That confused Excel! So 4 for Geelong then.

 

[simba_]

The VFL can do whatever they want to muddy their history, they can combine all of Geelong's amateur/bushleague/VFA/VFL/AFL flags to make the number as high as they want, it's still a smaller number than ours

 

[Grave Danger]

Lol - Darling took little Ryan Daniels to the Federal Court over this - I thought he was supposed to be one of WCE's tame media lapdogs, so it will be interesting to see if he still enjoys the same access. WCE never really backed up the "workplace injury" story Darling was pushing for his lengthy absence from the club, so either there's another story there, or he was 'vax-hestitant' rather than anti-vax. That's probably what the inevitable out of court settlement with NDAs will come down to.

 

[Grave Danger]

Norf has chosen the wet lettuce approach with TT.

"Further allegations..."

UPDATE: Thomas steps away amid 'confronting' allegations

North mid will step away from the club after allegations of threats of violence against women

www.afl.com.au

 

[TazD]

"Further allegations..."

UPDATE: Thomas steps away amid 'confronting' allegations

North mid will step away from the club after allegations of threats of violence against women

www.afl.com.au

What a POS

 

[powermacs]

Looks like even Thomas knew he needed to be stood down.

 

[dirty2]

Looks like even Thomas knew he needed to be stood down.

Is that even a punishment?

 

[It Just Is]

As the best young Tassie product in the league, this week has probably cost Thomas career earnings in the millions.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

As the best young Tassie product in the league, this week has probably cost Thomas career earnings in the millions.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Seems to me like violence against women is seen as a low level offence in AFL circles. At least Port gave SPP a meaningful sanction - after one public incident.

Meanwhile Teflon Tarryn takes a million complaints before he even gets stood down, if that is even what this is. "Take time away", makes it sound like Tarryn is the victim. Pretty shitty wording.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The only premierships that matter are the ones your club won or the ones that are in recent memory.

Nobody cares who won flags 20+ years ago apart from the supporters of those clubs, let alone 100 years ago. I'm happy for them to count the official tally as 1897 onward, but if you're talking about flags from the 1930s to talk about how good you are to people outside your club, you're a loser.