Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 28

[RussellEbertHandball]

High risk low reward me thinks.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[Willsy10]

Hawks are a million times better now than that round 10 game. That was almost 4 months ago.

Disagree with this.

Hawks had already started there run and played very well against us but I think it all caught us by surprise, because we all still thought they sucked and we were expecting a big win but in reality their revival was already in full swing.

They'd knocked off the Dogs and Saints leading into our game and then went on to beat the Lions and went on a run from there.

That win at the time was seen as a lucky escape against a side we should've won easily against, rather than a really fighting & spirited comeback win against a formidable opponent, which it was in hindsight. Underrated win.

Probably no coincidence that the Hawks only losses since there 0 and 5 start have been to Sydney, Port, Geelong and GWS, which just so happen to be the top 4 teams.

 

[Andre]

The Dogs vs Hawks EF being spruiked as the box-office draw of the finals tells you all you need to know about the league. They'll lose their minds with 2 PFs outside of Victoria or a non-Vic GF.

I want a 100% non-Vic linked GF. They've latched onto 'South Melbourne Bloods and Fitzroy' when it's been two non-Vic sides so far. Port beating GWS in the GF would be my ideal result.

 

[Andre]

JBC - There are too many pointless awards named after Victorian footballers.

Boydy Jnr - Here is an idea for another pointless award and here's a Victorian footballer that it can be named after.

The one award I do think is lacking, which should NOT be named after a Victorian, is a Premiership ring, to any player of the Premiers, who played at least one game for them that year. The Grand Final is the final sprint to the line, that can't be done unless you've gotten there. Every player who helped get them there deserves, IMO, some recognition for that, even if they don't make the GF side, whether by injury, suspension or later form.

 

[240volt]

Main board has a discussion on Herald Sun's best 40 players under 24.

I've copied and pasted the top 10 from that thread, but full list is shown on the thread on main board.

10th. Will Day
9th. Max Holmes
8th. Caleb Serong
7th. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
6th. Chad Warner
5th. Jason Horne-Francis
4th. Harry Sheezel
3rd. Errol Gulden
2nd. Zak Butters
1st. Nick Daicos

Anyone got a view on the relative merits of players named at 4 versus 5?

I’d swap JHF with Sheezel for sure.

 

[Malibu#27]

Main board has a discussion on Herald Sun's best 40 players under 24.

I've copied and pasted the top 10 from that thread, but full list is shown on the thread on main board.

10th. Will Day
9th. Max Holmes
8th. Caleb Serong

3

Caleb Serong

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

7th. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
6th. Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

5th. Jason Horne-Francis
4th. Harry Sheezel
3rd. Errol Gulden
2nd. Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

1st. Nick Daicos

Anyone got a view on the relative merits of players named at 4 versus 5?

I did note that 22yo Mitch Georgiades, 7th in the AFL for goal average while retaining from an ACL was ‘unlucky to miss out’ at #41 on the list.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Hawks are a million times better now than that round 10 game. That was almost 4 months ago.

A 25 point win against Brisbane in round 11.
A 6 point win against GWS in Tassie.
A win over Freo in Tassie.
And the thumping of Carlton.

Otherwise its beating up on the bottom end of the ladder.

With a spanking from Geelong and getting overrun by the Giants in Canberra thrown in.

I mean, its as impressive as Essendon's first half of the year in terms of who they beat.

 

[Bevoman]

Disagree with this.

Hawks had already started there run and played very well against us but I think it all caught us by surprise, because we all still thought they sucked and we were expecting a big win but in reality their revival was already in full swing.

They'd knocked off the Dogs and Saints leading into our game and then went on to beat the Lions and went on a run from there.

That win at the time was seen as a lucky escape against a side we should've won easily against, rather than a really fighting & spirited comeback win against a formidable opponent, which it was in hindsight. Underrated win.

Probably no coincidence that the Hawks only losses since there 0 and 5 start have been to Sydney, Port, Geelong and GWS, which just so happen to be the top 4 teams.

And when Will Day was out injured; guess what? He is again out with an injury.

 

[Windy Cindy]

I’d swap JHF with Sheezel for sure.

im swapping JHF for daicos

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

High risk low reward me thinks.

~180 day return from season ending ACL injury has to be some kind of record

 

[Schulzenfest]

I did note that 22yo Mitch Georgiades, 7th in the AFL for goal average while retaining from an ACL was ‘unlucky to miss out’ at #41 on the list.

Despite averaging nearly double the amount of goals as Jack Ginnivan who did make the list.

 

[Janey]

Despite averaging nearly double the amount of goals as Jack Ginnivan who did make the list.

Yeah, but Mitch has a lot of work to do on his goal celebrations

 

[240volt]

Yeah, but Mitch has a lot of work to do on his goal celebrations

Ginnivan used to play for Collingwood !!

 

[bomberclifford]

Plenty of notable captains to name a medal after...

Jack Sparrow
Mainwaring
Peacock
Hook
Cook
Ahab
America

Birdseye

 

[Capital Power]

im swapping JHF for daicos

If you mean swapping their positions on that list, then yeah, absolutely. Daicos isn't the match winner JHF is.

 

[Malibu#27]

~180 day return from season ending ACL injury has to be some kind of record

It’s interesting. I’ve no doubt at 180 days the knee feels pretty good for most stuff but I’d love to know how much match sim type training sim done.

 

[Skindy]

If you mean swapping their positions on that list, then yeah, absolutely. Daicos isn't the match winner JHF is.

I mean if Daicos hadn't got injured last year he would potentially be a back to back Brownlow medalist at 21 years of age in a couple of weeks.

 

[ClintEastwood]

High risk low reward me thinks.

Smacks of desperation. Hope he doesn't reinjure it.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If you mean swapping their positions on that list, then yeah, absolutely. Daicos isn't the match winner JHF is.

He is. He's been a match winner in plenty of games in his short time in the league, most recently the Brisbane one only a few weeks ago. I don't begrudge Daicos his spot on that list.

Sheezel, on the other hand? If some spud hadn't invented Supercoach and warped the perceptions of a generation of football followers, he wouldn't have cracked the top 20.

 

[Festerz]

~180 day return from season ending ACL injury has to be some kind of record

Post the LARS obsession that is absolutely correct.

Anyone here who has had a full knee reconstruction will know what their surgeon says about the criticality of the recovery period for successful graft longevity. There’s definitely a huge long term recovery risk here that Carlton and Docherty think is worth taking.

 

[FishingRick04]

Smacks of desperation. Hope he doesn't reinjure it.

He must be boom or bust retiring.

Showtime Hawks, feels like yesterday Tredrea vilified by all and sundry for making a phone call in the 07 prelim

 

[Jojay]

I’d swap JHF with Sheezel for sure.

In their heart of hearts, so would they

 

[Fade to Gray]

~180 day return from season ending ACL injury has to be some kind of record

Tony Liberatore made an insanely quick recovery. Did the ACL in round 8, came back Round 21.

 

[backtozero]

The Vic media Mafia are absolutely gagging to rate Sheezel higher than JHF.

One of these guys is a match winner and the other is statistically very good in a team getting beaten by 70-120 points every week. How effectual can you really be?