Autopsy Post Mortem vs Sydney. What a thriller! Pies by a point

[jackcass]

I'd go as far as saying it's disappointing not to see it change let alone improve. Posters ask for specific issues with Buckley's coaching and this one is glaringly obvious to me. We've had three ball movement coaches in Buckley's time (Lappin>Grace>Sando) yet nothing has changed about how we exit D50 except for the individual given the responsibility. That's clearly a top down issue.

There are two situations in game where it's black and white that you get possession, when a point is kicked and out on the full. The rest of the time there's no guarantee that you'll have possession because marks can be dropped, players fumble at ground level and free kicks can be missed. Therefore why there isn't specific NFL type play calling has me beat because the opposition is effectively saying here have the ball!

When there's a set shot you have up to 30 seconds for the designated kicker to call the play (approx the same time on an NFL play clock) yet it just doesn't happen. It boggles the mind given zones are just standard dime formations and clubs send coaches to the states all the time. This isn't a specifically Buckley issue either. It's just that for once in his tenure I would love Buckley to be ahead of the game and this is a clear area clubs can exploit because defensive zones press up too far, IMO.

Given how much the game has evolved this century kick ins are the one area that is still the same as they were 15-20 years ago...

I think a lot of that comes down to personnel. Most clubs have a clear designated kicker. We don't and we often see most of the defensive 6 having a crack during the course of a game. Leon was our last really good kick in. Not sure we have that designated kicker developing either.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I think a lot of that comes down to personnel. Most clubs have a clear designated kicker. We don't and we often see most of the defensive 6 having a crack during the course of a game. Leon was our last really good kick in. Not sure we have that designated kicker developing either.

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If five years of injuries and players losing form / wanting out / being too stupid to know
which end of a pickle jar to open / retiring etc etc has taught Buckley anything it's that we've need to build up our resilience. It's the fad of the present age. That means no designated anybody. Clarkson started it all with his "man goes down, somebody else steps up to replace him" attitude. Buckley is simply extending the idea.

 

[BEEG]

No love for Levi?

Very very good 2 weeks off hip surgery.

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

With 90 seconds to go and 7 points up, who was the campaigner who played on from HB?

I seem to remember it being Crisp.

A few of our guys tried their best to stuff it up in that last minute or so.

 

[loki04]

No love for Levi?

Very very good 2 weeks off hip surgery.

He's been mentioned by a few people that he performed well and should keep him in that fwd role.

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

STFU Idiot, if anything we got the rub of the green.

WHAT??? It's not rugby and the Sydney players threw the ball over and over again. Also we got 113 tackles and maybe 2 or 3 holding the balls.

Just because those idiot Sydney fans were booing everything because they apprently thought they were watching a game of rugby doesn't mean we in any way got the rub of the green. Maybe we got a few 50/50 decisions our way but by and large they got an absolute armchair ride from the umps all night.

 

[cleomenes]

WHAT??? It's not rugby and the Sydney players threw the ball over and over again. Also we got 113 tackles and maybe 2 or 3 holding the balls.

Just because those idiot Sydney fans were booing everything because they apprently thought they were watching a game of rugby doesn't mean we in any way got the rub of the green. Maybe we got a few 50/50 decisions our way but by and large they got an absolute armchair ride from the umps all night.

We got a few lucky ones, and didn't get a few that we might have. Pretty normal game.
The holding the ball decisions interested me most. I liked the giving of enough time for a player to actually do something, rather than pinging him the instant a tackle was laid. I was not so enthused by the reaction of the players (both sides), which was to revert to attempts to burst through tackles, and get a bounce if you can't. This is the very tactic that the holding the ball rule was tightened to stop. The players will force the umpires to revert to giving them no chance to get rid of the ball, just because they can't resist trying to take advantage of every slim gap in the rules.
Players and coaches are the worst enemies of the game as a spectacle, as they constantly test the rules in the intersts of a controlled game. More congestion is the only likely direction.

 

[MarkT2]

I've watched the game on TV a couple of times now.
Sydney are not what they were. They have the advantage of the academy players to add to their drafting and they will be contenders again very soon. They have a good group of kids, they just have to many of them playing right now.
Collingwood are playing with serious intent. We still butcher the ball at times but numbers at the ball and contest made up for it.
Shade surprised me. Moore disappointed me but he's lone hand.
Overall it was great to see a win in an exciting game.
It was also good to see a good first quarter with Pendlebury down.

 

[danielnajdek]

Grundy will be very close to All Australian if he keeps this up. Been terrific so far.

 

[Frankie23]

I think of all our players last night Greenwood most surprised me. He has all the effort of Blair but with the physical capabilities that allows him to beat up on players. He hurt a few Sydney players last night. His will to the contest creates opportunities, together with a decent snap at goal and surprising hands above his head making him dangerous. I don't mind Greenwood at forward pocket at all. But it's up to him to maintain that standard each week. It could be an unexpected win for the forward line.

Showed this at the bank end of last year as well, very handy pocket and a more than handy crumbed/snap at goal. Also, unlike Blair, can effectively go into the middle and allow Pendlebury/Sidebottom to rest forward.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Showed this at the bank end of last year as well, very handy pocket and a more than handy crumbed/snap at goal. Also, unlike Blair, can effectively go into the middle and allow Pendlebury/Sidebottom to rest forward.

His pre-season training prior to his hip op was meant to have been excellent so he was threatening to explode when given half a chance. He is also dangerous in the air, as well as a more reliable kick on goal. Blair can look forward to an extended period of mentorship with young VFL players.

 

[Pippie27]

Grundy will be very close to All Australian if he keeps this up. Been terrific so far.

With gawn out for a possible 10 weeks that has to swing in his favor

 

[Kappa]

No love for Levi?

Very very good 2 weeks off hip surgery.

Surprised by how great his hands are.

Marks the ball like a designated forward

 

[pablo disco bar]

I rate greenwood always have and always will.....go pies

 

[sr36]

Grundy will be very close to All Australian if he keeps this up. Been terrific so far.

Grundy will go close to a brownlow if he keeps this up. Imagine if he could take a mark.

 

[TradeDraft]

Grundy will go close to a brownlow if he keeps this up. Imagine if he could take a mark.

Does not play Forward so does not get Huge Chances to do so

 

[DaVe86]

No love for Levi?

Very very good 2 weeks off hip surgery.

Levi was very good

 

[ClaytonM]

Does not play Forward so does not get Huge Chances to do so

No Dave. He gets plenty of opportunities each match. He plays in the middle of the ground 80% of the game. It is one of his weaknesses at the moment. Does not take enough contested marks for his size.

 

[TradeDraft]

No Dave. He gets plenty of opportunities each match. He plays in the middle of the ground 80% of the game. It is one of his weaknesses at the moment. Does not take enough contested marks for his size.

So that is the 1 thing that is Stopping him becoming the Best Ruck in the League?

 

[ClaytonM]

So that is the 1 thing that is Stopping him becoming the Best Ruck in the League?

No. He also needs the work on his centre bounce ruck work and his decision making when he has the ball. Still plenty of work for Grundy to do before he could be considered the best ruckman in the league.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Couple of outstanding performances the other night from blokes didnt expect them from;

Greenwood - was huge. Set a standard others should look up to. In last year of his contract and wants another one it would seem. His gut running unbelievable.

Schade - Look could have been worse but wasnt. Last qtr of his when Buddy was about to go he found a way to keep him in check.

Maynard - Hasnt been going real good but he was very physical and particularly against the bigger Reid got some great body on him at times.

WHE - How good was that first qtr and then the pressure kick at the end.

Fasolo - people can have their view but he is our most dangerous forward at the moment. Gee if he got some support around could be unreal.

 

[MarkT2]

No Dave. He gets plenty of opportunities each match. He plays in the middle of the ground 80% of the game. It is one of his weaknesses at the moment. Does not take enough contested marks for his size.

Yet we so often kick out to him on the left side flank from behinds only to see the ball come back.
we really need a betetr kick out strategy.

 

[jmac70]

Yet we so often kick out to him on the left side flank from behinds only to see the ball come back.
we really need a betetr kick out strategy.

I think we often wait too long. We need to be faster and more aggressive with our kick ins.

 

[DaVe86]

Bucks cops a lot of criticism, but I think he had a good coaching week this week.

Firstly, he prepared and set the boys well. We bounced out of the blocks and were clearly switched on for the game.

Secondly, the game plan he implemented in the first quarter ultimately won us the game. Yes Sydney ultimately undone it and brought the game back to a contested scrap, but the lead we got in the first quarter was basically enough to get us over the line.

Thirdly, he hung tough with Fasolo despite a lot of people calling for his head. I reckon it would have been tempting to put a rocket up him for his average game against Richmond, but Bucks backed him in. Fasolo's 4 first half goals were ultimately the difference. He laid a few off as well.

Fourthly, he didn't succumb to temptation and play Elliott. It was a frustrating call, but the right call. Now I think he needs to make the right call and bring Elliott back into the side at the expense of Mayne.

Finally, he backed in Schade to do the job on Buddy. I thought Goldsack was going to get it, but he took a huge gamble on Schade and it worked out well. He must have been tempted to bring in Dunn for experience. But he stuck with Schade despite those few blunders against Richmond last week.


We are all quick to point out the mistakes, but this week I thought he hung tough and coached well.

The only thing I would've done was swing Howe forward in the first quarter when we were 22 inside 50's to 0. We needed to kicked another 2 goals in that first quarter to capitalise on our work rate.

 

[MarkT2]

Bucks cops a lot of criticism, but I think he had a good coaching week this week.

I agree. My issue with Buckley had always been personality related not football related.