Training Pre Season - Who's deadset training the house down 2024 style.

[zyzzbruh]

You'd struggle in the contest too if you were getting the delivery he was getting today. A disgrace to any Swans side EVER. Too high, too long over their heads, or too short, never to a lead. Totally useless delivery. If we are going to be a successful footy team we need to have a total synergy. Did not see any of that today. The mids &b backs were totally divorced from the forwards. Possibly it was deliberate. But if not we are in trouble

Use hipwood as an example. Leading into space and had 3 metres on his opponent marking for fun all night. I didn't see the same seperation from our forwards even once tonight. If you're a mid kicking forward it doesn't fill you with confidence if your forward has a player hanging off him, it results in a dump kick.

 

[wolftone57]

Probably just a credit to Brisbane's pressure.

No. there were options that were ignored. Certainly, they provided pressure but the whole game plan was to bomb. Our forwards were not leading to patterns that create space. They were leading to what you call Dummy patterns. Our backs & mids were not even trying to look for a lead. McDonald was a dummy lead & then the ball would be bombed.

What you are suggesting is that our players were just not good enough. If that is the case then we might as well shut down the season now & not bother.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

You'd struggle in the contest too if you were getting the delivery he was getting today. A disgrace to any Swans side EVER. Too high, too long over their heads, or too short, never to a lead. Totally useless delivery. If we are going to be a successful footy team we need to have a total synergy. Did not see any of that today. The mids &b backs were totally divorced from the forwards. Possibly it was deliberate. But if not we are in trouble

Wolf how many games have our forwards played together? vs a quality AA backline in tough conditions?

 

[zyzzbruh]

No. there were options that were ignored. Certainly, they provided pressure but the whole game plan was to bomb. Our forwards were not leading to patterns that create space. They were leading to what you call Dummy patterns. Our backs & mids were not even trying to look for a lead. McDonald was a dummy lead & then the ball would be bombed.

What you are suggesting is that our players were just not good enough. If that is the case then we might as well shut down the season now & not bother.

Dummy patterns is a forward problem. Lead with conviction and you will be used.

At the very least mids will learn to use you.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

If we were Port tonight, they’d seriously start another sack Hinkley thread

 

[Dubai Quacker]

A pre-season game played in stifling heat, with a slippery ball, low to medium intensity and minus key players. Not to mention deadly serpents everywhere.

And yet there’s some hysterical hyperbole.

God I love Bigfooty.

 

[Donza]

A pre-season game played in stifling heat, with a slippery ball, low to medium intensity and minus key players. Not to mention deadly serpents everywhere.

And yet there’s some hysterical hyperbole.

God I love Bigfooty.

Swans will be lucky to make 13th.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

A pre-season game played in stifling heat, with a slippery ball, low to medium intensity and minus key players. Not to mention deadly serpents everywhere.

And yet there’s some hysterical hyperbole.

God I love Bigfooty.

Im ready for the offseason already

 

[bloodsbigot]

A pre-season game played in stifling heat, with a slippery ball, low to medium intensity and minus key players. Not to mention deadly serpents everywhere.

And yet there’s some hysterical hyperbole.

God I love Bigfooty.

Lights going off too.

 

[bloodsbigot]

What you are suggesting is that our players were just not good enough.

I'm suggesting it's a practice game with several key players sitting out the game, a lot of our B-team playing and we weren't as intense as they were. It's not the end of the world.

 

[caesar88]

Still calling an undefeated year.

Didn’t take long for poor Gus to join the whipping boy crew lol

I didn't think Sheldrick was as bad as some made out. Not a lot went right for him tonight, but I feel like it was all down to the tempo. He was just playing with the wrong intensity for that game.

It was kind of slow and sloppy, the kind of game where you just had to show some poise and calm and the ball was in all likelihood going to spill out to you rather than you needing to get it. Nearly every player who "cracked in" turned it over or gave away a free.

Sheldrick - understandably, given he was a fringe player wanting to make an impression - was going at full bore every contest and I felt he kind of put himself under pressure and overcooked a lot of his possessions because of it.

Very redeemable IMO. If Adams is out for multiple games as well as Parker, then Sheldrick can play round 1 knowing he's got some room to breathe, and games to build his form up and he can be less... manic.

We saw this last year when the window opened for him.

 

[Neverwas]

A couple of things.

Jordon a lock.

Ladhams has tremendous natural ability but does not seem to be on the same page as the mids half the time. Sometimes he plays as if he is a rover , trying to take the kick himself rather than handball to players in better position. It's like he played this way as a junior when he got away with it, but hasn't adjusted to this level . If he can iron out the desire to do too much he will be very good.

Will Edwards showed his athleticism by exhibiting excellent closing speed, leap, and physical presence. Not looking like the greenhorn he was last year. I will call it now: Future best 22 KPD

Adams and Grundy a tad disappointing. Disposal an issue for Adams in particular.

Roberts was alright and will improve with more games on the HBF, but still has potential as a mid.

Corey looked OK too.

Sheldrick, to be frank, had a poor game, maybe not the conditions to suit a sandgroper. Will get better.

It's hard to get excited about our prospects next week looking at a performance like that, but it is only a practice game and we have some top talent to come in.



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[wolftone57]

Logan looked plenty confident last week. Half a practice game in horrid conditions shouldn't lead to this level of pessimism IMO.

The delivery to our forward line today was atrocious. Even Lockett would have struggled with the shite our mids were delivering.

We need to make sure we have two proper wingers & two runners off HB at all times. Today we left Ollie, Lloyd or Blakey in no man's land or on the bench. Blakey played on Hipwood for most of the game until it was obvious he was not a shut down defender & Eric the Unready kicked a couple on him. Then Hamling got the job & shut him down.

I think Logan is going to be a star. But not under today's conditions. Not with the shite delivery or lack of delivery

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[wolftone57]

I wouldn't swap them personally.

Ugle-Hagan will have more chance of a long term injury than Logan. I like Logan better. His firm last week was very good. The delivery thus week was pathetic

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[wolftone57]

His kicking is a bit s**t tonight

I think he did exactly as he was told. Just think you are kicking down the line to Maxie

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[wolftone57]

My point is Campbell shouldn't be playing back. He should be on the wing with Jordon in the guts

I am glad you said that as I agree completely

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[Dubai Quacker]

The only real concern I have from tonight is the Heeney at the centre bounce experiment.

It just didn’t even look remotely effective.

Understand that desire to get him into games, but the whole thing feels a bit desperate.

 

[wolftone57]

Now Roberts is on the wing. Just throwing magnets.

If it's not genuine experimentation then I'd be worried going into round 0

No. Mitchell was on the wing, not Roberts

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[wolftone57]

I'm allowed to disagree right? I think JUH is no chance to kick 60.

I don't think he will either

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[caesar88]

The only real concern I have from tonight is the Heeney at the centre bounce experiment.

It just didn’t even look remotely effective.

Understand that desire to get him into games, but the whole thing feels a bit desperate.

... are we not desperate?

 

[wolftone57]

Use hipwood as an example. Leading into space and had 3 metres on his opponent marking for fun all night. I didn't see the same seperation from our forwards even once tonight. If you're a mid kicking forward it doesn't fill you with confidence if your forward has a player hanging off him, it results in a dump kick.

If you trust your forward & your ability then you send the pass. I disagree. I saw Wilbur & Logan on the lead well ahead of their opponents but the kicks were just dreadful. Either on their head, over their head, same with Amartey & McLean. There were not kicks that were good for them to take a leap at. The kicks actually all gave the best position to the opponent. The lack of synergy mids/backs to forward was so effing obvious. Most kicks went in either on top of the head or directly to opponents. I saw how Hypwood lead. Blakey is not a shutdown defender. In the last quarter Hamling went to Hipwood & he got nothing.

You think that was how we should play? You think the mids were on song with the forward line? The Mids, yet again, are still just bombing forward. Not to advantage, just bombing. most of the long kicks did not advantage our tall forwards at all. They disadvantaged them by metres. Allowing for intercepts. This is a coaching problem. Maybe it is deliberate of Horse not wanting Melbourne to know how we will play next week? I don't know. But if it was it did not help our preseason hit-out.

 

[wolftone57]

Ladhams number one ruckman, Grundy to give a chop out?

Rubbish. McInerney did not play the second half. They played a rookie ruck.

 

[wills2g]

pretty sure we lose the last practice match before the season starts almost every time yet our rd 1 record is pretty good

they were probably testing stuff against a brisbane side that had almost no players missing

we'll be right

 

[Bandit55]

If you trust your forward & your ability then you send the pass. I disagree. I saw Wilbur & Logan on the lead well ahead of their opponents but the kicks were just dreadful. Either on their head, over their head, same with Amartey & McLean. There were not kicks that were good for them to take a leap at. The kicks actually all gave the best position to the opponent. The lack of synergy mids/backs to forward was so effing obvious. Most kicks went in either on top of the head or directly to opponents. I saw how Hypwood lead. Blakey is not a shutdown defender. In the last quarter Hamling went to Hipwood & he got nothing.

You think that was how we should play? You think the mids were on song with the forward line? The Mids, yet again, are still just bombing forward. Not to advantage, just bombing. most of the long kicks did not advantage our tall forwards at all. They disadvantaged them by metres. Allowing for intercepts. This is a coaching problem. Maybe it is deliberate of Horse not wanting Melbourne to know how we will play next week? I don't know. But if it was it did not help our preseason hit-out.

Delivery into the forward line has been woeful for years. Our players are still yet to realise that Lance Franklin couldn't mark overhead. He would've 2000 goals if he went to a club with smarter and better skilled players.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I sweated through the first three quarters and decided to beat the thunderstorm. Those who watched it on the screen may have seen more than me but:
McCartin, Blakey, Melican and Cunningham were all effective against their opponents.
Our midfield and rucks still need to be introduced to each other. Brisbane roved Grundy's taps a number of times. One time all.three of their mids were at the ball and our were .... somewhere else. Doesn't mean we didn't try hard but they were so much better organised.
Others have said it - no spread in the forward line by us but plenty by their defence.
Our effort was good. Slippery ball and underfoot left us grasping. Literally. Brisbane handled the conditions SO much better. Like a home game for them.