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swans16
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Now i'm kinda hoping for a injury to one of my not-so-favourite players. So the youngins can get some game time.
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swans16
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I can't do that!
It's like telling someone the price of their christmas present. LOL
but, it'll have to be Bevan because he is in the forward pocket. That's where one of my fav players Vespa plays.
It's like telling someone the price of their christmas present. LOL
but, it'll have to be Bevan because he is in the forward pocket. That's where one of my fav players Vespa plays.
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Grundy Bolton Richards
Shaw LRT Malceski
O'Keefe Kirk Kennedy
Jack Goodes Kennelly
Bevan Bradshaw White
Mumford McVeigh Bolton
Seaby, McGlynn, Bird, Barlow
EMG (In order of preference) Hannebery, Smith, Mattner, Jetta, Vezspremi, Dennis-Lane, Moore, Pyke, Meredith, MOD
Shaw LRT Malceski
O'Keefe Kirk Kennedy
Jack Goodes Kennelly
Bevan Bradshaw White
Mumford McVeigh Bolton
Seaby, McGlynn, Bird, Barlow
EMG (In order of preference) Hannebery, Smith, Mattner, Jetta, Vezspremi, Dennis-Lane, Moore, Pyke, Meredith, MOD
swans16
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How can you not put Mattner in the squad?
He is first choice ahead of Kennedy, Malceski, Barlow and Bevan.
He is first choice ahead of Kennedy, Malceski, Barlow and Bevan.
Marty before Cheese and Rohan at least on the emergency
I started to have a go at this but it was impossible, way to early but its refreshing that we have to leave so many players out. Saying that Im not getting too carried away with our new found depth, it can be deceiving..
disgruntled goat
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This may seem sacrilegious to many, but I think we're going to see a significant reduction in on-field time for the likes of Kirk and J Bolton.
It seems obvious we're starting a new era, particularly in our midfield, and I expect to see those two iron men basically job-sharing, while the likes of Kennedy and McGlynn are worked in with Bird, Jack, Hannebery, maybe ROK and others (Meredith, MOD, etc), and these new kids, Jetta and Dennis-Lane particularly, are given early chances.
I'm surprised so many have Barlow in our best 22 after all these changes; to me, he has a lot to prove. He has enormous potential and great talent but I would have the likes of Hannebery way ahead.
It seems obvious we're starting a new era, particularly in our midfield, and I expect to see those two iron men basically job-sharing, while the likes of Kennedy and McGlynn are worked in with Bird, Jack, Hannebery, maybe ROK and others (Meredith, MOD, etc), and these new kids, Jetta and Dennis-Lane particularly, are given early chances.
I'm surprised so many have Barlow in our best 22 after all these changes; to me, he has a lot to prove. He has enormous potential and great talent but I would have the likes of Hannebery way ahead.
if barlow gets a game this yeasr ahead of all the newies we have, i'm going to support another team
he's been given every oppurtunity and can't kick for shit and his decision making is ordinary at best
granted he came of the acl, malceski needs to perform like he did 3 years ago or he's out too with 3 other similar players like him
i'll have a stab:
grundy bolton teddy
shaw lrt kennelly
rok kirk kennedy
jack goodes mcglynn
white bradshaw vez
mumford mcveigh bolton
seaby bird hannebery mattner dennis lane (last spot depesnds on match ups really as jack tags, mcglynn the same)
hot on the heels - malceski, jetta, dennis lane, meredith
basically the same as the others with a changes
he's been given every oppurtunity and can't kick for shit and his decision making is ordinary at best
granted he came of the acl, malceski needs to perform like he did 3 years ago or he's out too with 3 other similar players like him
i'll have a stab:
grundy bolton teddy
shaw lrt kennelly
rok kirk kennedy
jack goodes mcglynn
white bradshaw vez
mumford mcveigh bolton
seaby bird hannebery mattner dennis lane (last spot depesnds on match ups really as jack tags, mcglynn the same)
hot on the heels - malceski, jetta, dennis lane, meredith
basically the same as the others with a changes
Ha ha.
Now this proves Swans 16 is not an alias of anybody.
Swans 16 mid year there was a big brawl on this board over the merits of Mattner.
Some of us love him and some hate him.... just for entertainment in a boring off season im almost prepared to restart it to see people juices flowing again.
swans16
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Well i think since Mattner came to this club he has become an absolute star. In his first or 2nd year with the swans, i picked him for supercoach and he was scoring 120s weeki in week out.
Pros
-Kicks very far 60m
-Gets a lot of the ball
-Replacement for Tahdg
-Plays attacking
-Brave - sickening head clash with St Scum in rd1.
Cons
-Somes kicks are not that great
Pros
-Kicks very far 60m
-Gets a lot of the ball
-Replacement for Tahdg
-Plays attacking
-Brave - sickening head clash with St Scum in rd1.
Cons
-Somes kicks are not that great
disgruntled goat
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I don't hate Mattner; I don't hate an y Swans player. Mattner is a very tough nut, a real "heart" player, but there's no doubt his skills can go awry and at some point team management has to draw the line on players who repeated the same basic skill errors.
Mattner frequently turns the ball over, but he's not alone. Shaw also turns it over, but going on 2009 form, Shaw does more with it than Mattner.
Barlow has plenty of skills, but is weak in a contest; if he hasn't toughened up by 2010, he will struggle to play much senior footy.
Jarred Moore can go missing; if he doesn't get more consistency, he's going to struggle.
With what seems to be far more depth in our ranks going into this new preseason, there'll be far more pressure on these under-performers, which is what we all want.
By the way, one name that seems to have been overlooked is Dan Currie. If he can get fit, surely he'll be with Lewis Johnston in pushing for a spot in the 22.
If that's the case, I suspect the Mike Pyke experiment may be all but over.
I concur
However for the fun of it ..... I presnet the floor to an Anti Matter um sorry Anti Mattner argument.... Malfan, Bateman?.
EDIT.... Bateman beat me to his invite.
swans16
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The 2009 under-performers(Bevan, Malceski, Moore, Barlow, etc) have to step it up in 2010. Or they will be losing their spots to the kids of the team.
Sydney has a very good backline.
LRT, Bolton, Grundy and Richards are the Talls.
While Smith plays on the smalls.
Shaw, Mattner, Malceski and Kennelly are the running backs.
Swans has a very underrated midfield.
Kirk, Bolton, McVeigh and O'Keefe are considered elite midfielders.
Jack, Bird, Hanners, Kennedy and McGlynn are future stars(2011).
Jetta, Fanta/Red Rooster, Sumner, TDL add a lot of speed.
Swans forward line is quite solid.
4 talls in Bradshaw, Goodes, White and LJ
Smalls like Vespa, Bevan and Moore
Resting Rucks aswell
Young ruckmen are overflowing
Seaby, Mumford, Pyke, Currie and Orreal.
Watch out in 2010, because the Blood are Coming!
Sydney has a very good backline.
LRT, Bolton, Grundy and Richards are the Talls.
While Smith plays on the smalls.
Shaw, Mattner, Malceski and Kennelly are the running backs.
Swans has a very underrated midfield.
Kirk, Bolton, McVeigh and O'Keefe are considered elite midfielders.
Jack, Bird, Hanners, Kennedy and McGlynn are future stars(2011).
Jetta, Fanta/Red Rooster, Sumner, TDL add a lot of speed.
Swans forward line is quite solid.
4 talls in Bradshaw, Goodes, White and LJ
Smalls like Vespa, Bevan and Moore
Resting Rucks aswell
Young ruckmen are overflowing
Seaby, Mumford, Pyke, Currie and Orreal.
Watch out in 2010, because the Blood are Coming!
Good post. I'm in the anti-Mattner camp due to turnovers and skill errors - I just don't think he brings enough to the table to balance out his flaws. Same with Richards for me - he, like Mattner is courageous and a good club guy, but is only really useful as a floating backman - not a particularly good defender and he's completely useless when we put him up forward (which I hope doesn't happen at any stage this season). These guys have been solid list additions, but with the depth we have now, there should be plenty of pressure on them to perform - they both had plenty of terrible games last year and no one seemed to notice - they are both fortunate that we have least depth in the backline. I'm not naive enough to think they won't be in the team come 2010, but I do think both of them got a free pass last year due to a lack of better options.
Moore is the guy who could be really on the outer, unless his role in the leadership group gives him some sort of immunity. I always thought he was pretty expendable but now with Dennis-Lane and Jetta coming in, it seems even more that he may not have a future role on this team. I'd much rather have a Bevan or Barlow (as soft as he is) in the side ahead of him.
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^ I'm not a fan of Mattner for the same reason above. His attacking flare simply doesn't give us enough value to overlook the terrible turnovers he causes, both with the ball in his hands and when defending one on one.
As for Barlow.... He probably doesn't deserve a spot in our best 22 based on his form last year but I think 2010 will be his year. As I've pointed out before... Players generally start to show what they're capable of in the 40-50 game bracket (as was the case with Grundy last season). I think Ed might really start turning it on in the second half of next year. If his form doesn't improve over this season then I'm happy for him to play in the ressies, but lets give him a chance.
As for Barlow.... He probably doesn't deserve a spot in our best 22 based on his form last year but I think 2010 will be his year. As I've pointed out before... Players generally start to show what they're capable of in the 40-50 game bracket (as was the case with Grundy last season). I think Ed might really start turning it on in the second half of next year. If his form doesn't improve over this season then I'm happy for him to play in the ressies, but lets give him a chance.
The difference between the skill errors of Mattner and the likes of Bevan/Barlow is they come with Mattner trying to take the game on as opposed to stage fright.
Grundy is another who was less than effective by foot last year too. Skill errors in the back line get highlighted much more than anywhere else on the ground. Granted he had a poor run home last year but there were times is sensational, he single handily kept us in the game against the Crows. Didnt go missing with the rest of the team at the SCG against Richmond in the second half and yes that tackle against Riewoldt is truly worthy of continual praise, he worked his ass off to get there when for a time of the match many had gone missing to momentum and he did play well against the cats in that late season game.
Among Mattners attributes is his attempt to take the game on and be creative. I think it sounds more like a wing man or a Half Forward Flanker than a defender. Given the demise of Luke Ablett, the fact Mattner is a brilliant tackler and has a left boot to die for and plenty of speed perhaps playing him in the Half Forward line would be the go as opposed to the back line where his right foot errors are costly.
No doubt when I ask are the Swans better for Mattner being in the team I'm in no doubt. the answer is yes.
Grundy is another who was less than effective by foot last year too. Skill errors in the back line get highlighted much more than anywhere else on the ground. Granted he had a poor run home last year but there were times is sensational, he single handily kept us in the game against the Crows. Didnt go missing with the rest of the team at the SCG against Richmond in the second half and yes that tackle against Riewoldt is truly worthy of continual praise, he worked his ass off to get there when for a time of the match many had gone missing to momentum and he did play well against the cats in that late season game.
Among Mattners attributes is his attempt to take the game on and be creative. I think it sounds more like a wing man or a Half Forward Flanker than a defender. Given the demise of Luke Ablett, the fact Mattner is a brilliant tackler and has a left boot to die for and plenty of speed perhaps playing him in the Half Forward line would be the go as opposed to the back line where his right foot errors are costly.
No doubt when I ask are the Swans better for Mattner being in the team I'm in no doubt. the answer is yes.
swans16
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^^AMEN to that CAS
Agree with CAS, I'm not sure if I posted it here or on RWO but I mentioned that Mattner would be well suited to a HF role as his booming kick could prove invaluable in that position.
While he has a little Leo about him when coming out of defence, his weaknesses wouldn't be as costly on the HF line and he'd be a more damaging prospect while using his greatest weapons.
Some people get a little too excited by the new boys we've brought in and just want to be out with the old before really thinking about it. Mattner, if played in the correct position, is definitely in our starting 18.
While he has a little Leo about him when coming out of defence, his weaknesses wouldn't be as costly on the HF line and he'd be a more damaging prospect while using his greatest weapons.
Some people get a little too excited by the new boys we've brought in and just want to be out with the old before really thinking about it. Mattner, if played in the correct position, is definitely in our starting 18.
Assuming Seaby\Mumford become the 1-2 ruck combo, I could see us keeping 1 developing ruckman as backup and possibly trading off 1 or 2 of the others for more game time at another club at the end of next season.
I wonder what value GC would place on a young, physically developed ruckman or two as surely there wont be any ready made solutions for them in their first 2 drafts nor any of note left 'unsecured' by the other clubs when their lists get raided.
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Barlow has a lot of talent, just needs to apply it. He's actually one of the best kicks in the team. Granted, his decision making is not always fantastic. This is usually a confidence thing. Get him a good preseason to work on his core strength, and give him a good run of games from round 1, and you'll see what he can do.
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