Autopsy Rd 15 Inspired Blues win a thriller

[The Bighouse]

Owies, Stocker, Dow, TDK all improving is a good sign.

Williams, Martin, SPS all better games.

Fogs need to start kicking harder instead of guiding the ball.

Fogarty is not going to make it as a forward if he’s failing to nail very gettable shots on goal. Jack Martin the same (as last year), cannot sink the sitters.

Dow, Stocker, TDK, Walsh good returns with our younger brigade.

Betts, Owies (great to see him cementing his spot) & Martin moved well in the forward line.

Jones, Weiters, Plow, Williams, Saad & Newman all , that’s a decent effort from our defenders.

Edit: good to see SPS’s role change & output with it. Crafty up forward.

 

[Dramoth]

sh*t footballer and an ever shitter umpire! Wtf was that today??

Leigh Fisher being Leigh Fisher.

 

[Dramoth]

Thought Newman was very good when activated, stays in for mine

I really like Fog, but he is struggling, play him in the guts in the magoos

I think that it's about time to give Honey a couple of games in the big time to see what he's got at that level. Lets us drop Fog down to the VFL to get some form.

 

[Dramoth]

Fogarty is not going to make it as a forward if he’s failing to nail very gettable shots on goal. Jack Martin the same (as last year), cannot sink the sitters.

Dow, Stocker, TDK, Walsh good returns with our younger brigade.

Betts, Owies (great to see him cementing his spot) & Martin moved well in the forward line.

Jones, Weiters, Plow, Williams, Saad & Newman all , that’s a decent effort from our defenders.

We'll either need a dedicated kicking coach next year, or a new forwards coach who actually knows how to kick the ball through the big sticks properly.

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Feels good to get a win... But in perspective...

We beat 13th by 10 points at home...
We won 1 quarter and lost 3 of them... But what a second quarter, all from defence...

All those SPS & Dow haters can EAD

Feel sorry for Murphy, so close to 300, hopefully he can get back for the last 4 games...

And we were in 14th position, played one man down and only won one quarter.

A different perspective is that we won when we probably shouldn't have against opposition that have been a nemesis in recent times.

Adelaide also had some good form pre bye when we were the worst team ever to kick a Sherrin around.

Why do you feel we were entitled to win this game?
Do you think we should have won by five goals in a canter just because!?!?

Let's look at enjoying a win against a similarly placed team, instead of somehow expecting us to dominate the whole match and win by ten goals on the back of nothing



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[JoeyPBLUES]

Plowman smiles too much, is too nice, and has stupid floppy hair. And yet the guy is an absolute animal.
All the 1%ers, zones space, first into a scrap, bullet kicking out of the backline.
Anyone notice he hurt his elbow again tho?

You forgot to mention is always cold as well. The amount of times I’ve seen him at training with the spray jacket on and a beanie when everyone else has no sleeves... any bloke that trains like that is crazy.

 

[JustaBattler]

The win was terrific to get and many positives. A few have mentioned was great to see sPs play midfield. He didn’t. He played high half forward. He faded in part because we had no forward dominance after half time. He attended one centre bounce (the last) for the entire game.

Other points: yeah Walsh played wing….kind of. He played the half half role some have been calling for. There were 25 centre bounces and Walsh attended 13 of them.

Our midfielders performed very poorly at centre bounce and it remains a huge weakness. Not all centre clearances are clean. Today they awarded 19/25. Regardless these are the attendances/wins for today:

Cripps 21/1
Ed 15/1
Walsh 13/1
Kennedy 12/2
Dow 10/ 0

Martin (2 in the first l) and SPS (the last of the game) were not in the rotation.

Kennedy I guess fine on the maths. The rest not. Cripps dreadful. He used to out perform the mathematical probability by double. So his expected output on a day where he attended 21 historically would have been somehting like 5. I noticed at one point (I slo mo’d it down) he just didn’t get down to the ball. I think he’s moving fine when upright but he’s just not getting his hands to the ground. Be interested in Plow and Jimmae observations.

I think Jimmae has been right about Walsh. He’s just not physically impactful enough to attend centre bounces. Disappointing for Dow ro win none of his 10 attendances but he was otherwise good and I rate his centre bounce work highly usually.

What did others see?

I saw very little cohesion between TDK and the mids tbh - very few tps (which TDK mostly won btw) went to any of teh mid's advanatge - I think I noticed only one or two genuine tap/recieve/clear run throughs
Which makes me think that the primary focus was defensive - an did see a big change in the set up this week and that was that we had one on baller ususally positioned dfensive side of contest and back a good ten meters off the contested area
As for individual performances I think all our contested ball 'work' is very sloppy compared to most teams - far less handballs to clear advantage than better teams- the effoert is there the technique and skill lvels aren't more bullocking style than finesse
Our midfield as a group has limited amounts of genuine class on display for 4 quarters and too much si abbout individual brilliance - nto enough on system in every aspect of their play

Arr0w - this game hasn't changed my view on Teague - either way- not one bit tbh. Players all lifted and in some cases ( eg Saad/Martin/Williams/Docherty) too much talent for all of them to have an off game all at the same time again - doesn't take much for that aspect of teh game to improve - we are talking percentages here...when you get all of the young ones pretty much playing better than they have at the same time ( eg Stocker/Dow/Owies/TDK/SPS) the combination is a pretty bifg lift in on field eprformance - so what? We still lost 3/4 quarters and got smacked around the contest in extended periods of play.

Whoecver coaches this side has to be able to set thsi wek's level of player engagement as teh minimum benchmark as well as being able to fix clunky aspects of teh game plan - esepcially transition play.Our midfield lacks polish big time and our rebound system needs to learn how to use more of Saad/Willims and Stockers skill sets to advantage..

If we can put two quarters together like teh second- we win many more games- but 1/4 isn't going to get you very far week in week out.

There are still opportunities to demonstrate development in this side - coming up - starting with Fremantle next week- eg should be no reason to not be able to beat Geelong or Port in my mind.

 

[TryAnHit]

With set shots, you are allowed to start on your natural arc and run in right? So why does mckay from 20m out infront.... not start on the righthand side of the mark and take 2 steps to the line and snap it.... enough with trying to kick droppunts... unless he's 40 out he should never be kicking one

 

[jj1978]

Stockers hip and shoulder .... a sight to behold. He’s so tough he can break Tonka toys.

 

[FRUMPY]

To be fair, we only played really well for one quarter and then played well in patches in the third and fourth but were terrible in front of goal. So much room for improvement still, across the board. Was great to get a win though.

I thought we played almost flawless footy for a qtr (2nd), good 2nd half of the first qtr, competitive in 3rd and 4th but failed to capitalise. Even the first half of the first qtr we played on, got lucky they missed some shots but they were as lucky with out delivery into the f50. The contest itself was good for that qtr.

One of the better performances for effort and attack on man and footy. Compare that to the Hawks win when I thought we played 4 quarters of shit football.

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[Blue Bloods]

When I read the title I thought it read “ Rd 15 Insipid Blues” I have been Carltonised.

Great win, was more a relief than a joy, especially after kicking so many points in the last.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

I can't prove that running faster for longer helps you get places easier?

Honestly, why are some people logging in

God you’re a condescending git, Jim. It’s like you are the only one that could know these things...

You can’t prove if it’s got anything to do with Russell or not, maybe he’s told Teague that the players are fit enough to handle it? Ever thought of that? Doesn’t fit your narrative of AR being some sort of god though

But oh no, Jim know best, of course he does...

 

[FRUMPY]

Each game is different, so tactics is just as critical as a sustainable game plan.

Playing an extra tall or isn't that critical if you have the teaming pulling in the same direction

Personally, I wouldn't play Pitto, so continue to play TDK first ruck, an extra tall is always helpful as long as fitness warrants it

Jsos was a pleasant surprise in the ruck

JSOS was good in the ruck. Halved quite a few ruck contests. He was pretty shit in the fwd half when playing as a fwd......no impact at all and another who handballed a the ground or behind a teammate.

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[FRUMPY]

And can I say, I've haven't seen a Carlton side shepherd like that in a long time. Can get better but I reckon I saw half a dozen in the first half. Actually handing the ball off to a teammate and protecting the ball carrier.....took me back to the 90s

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[FRUMPY]

How far did Cripps run when he kicked his goal.....30m?

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[FRUMPY]

Thought Newman was very good when activated, stays in for mine

I really like Fog, but he is struggling, play him in the guts in the magoos

Yeah fog is terrible at the moment. I didn't think he should have been selected after being 'rested' (also thought that should have said 'dropped')

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[FRUMPY]

Stockers hip and shoulder .... a sight to behold. He’s so tough he can break Tonka toys.

He did another when he opted to bump when he should have tackled and the Adelaide player got away.....learning curves

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[agro]

How far did Cripps run when he kicked his goal.....30m?

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We know, we know Gerard Healy and Brad Johnson went on and on and on about it.

But strangely deathly quiet about Darcy Fogarty cheap shot.

 

[FRUMPY]

We know, we know Gerard Healy and Brad Johnson went on and on and on about it.

But strangely deathly quiet about Darcy Fogarty cheap shot.

Centre circle to the 50m line.......I'm sure we would ignore it if it was a crows player

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[Dramoth]

How far did Cripps run when he kicked his goal.....30m?

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About 28 I reckon

 

[Blue Bloods]

For those who didn’t rate Ed’s game. Laird had 25 possessions before the coaches finally sent Ed to tag him after half time. Laird only had 8 more and had little impact.

 

[Blue1980]

No, we busted our guts for 4 quarters. You don't have to kick 8 goals in a quarter or win the quarter to be classed as playing.

2nd quarter burst was a bit of dam wall breaking too as we were pretty good in first just didn’t get it on the board.

 

[Dramoth]

there is still a long way to go but some positives today that may open our eyes. The first 15 minutes when the pressure was on we were back to our old hack kicks and rushed disposals etc.

Once settled we stopped crowding the ball opened up and started picking overlap running options and moved the ball with speed into an open forward line with plenty of space to run into and players leading and offering a target.

Obviously Dow was instructed to try an play his natural game and take the game on and use his breakaway speed. Having Kennedy as the second midfield bull takes some pressure of Crips plus his disposal and ability to mark / intercept mark adds more value, particularly as we now have the luxury of switching Ed to a hard tag role on their more dominant midfielder.

SPS (whom I have criticized as a Back man) is more suited to a midlife half forward role. amazes me how long took to do this as we here have been calling it for 18 months. Even Gerard Healy mentioned during the commentary that if we leave him in this position we would have a player on our hands.

Lessons From today.
1. Play players in their best position.
2. Play more youth for development in the senior team.

PS. I suspect hat after a few week efforts in the first qtr, Murphy was dragged and was advised that he had a ankle injury. His body language looked strange.

I suspect that he was more frustrated than pissed off. It's probably something minor that they didn't want to take the risk on.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

How far did

How far did Cripps run when he kicked his goal.....30m?

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Good 40.......as the Cows waved tissues.

Reckon he kicked it 75 btw.

 

[tropicaltiger]

well done baggers, i very rarely venture to oppo boards but being scoreless and a club champ off injured it was a good grinding comeback...dont wont to mozz him but walsh is very smart reckon he will end up same or better than deledio minus lids last few years when cooked.