Autopsy Rd 17 Blues lose to the bottom side after awful first half

[Franc de Borges]

Okay, without going through each game.

<insert any term you want>, culture, composure, mentality, etc. For the example, let's call it, "it"

We had "it" early in the cats game, then we didn't, then at the end, we got "it" back again

Sounds ridiculous don't you think?

You can apply the same theory to pretty much every game

It's a fictional cliche

Drill down to the setups, structure, tactics, gamestyle

In the same way that we don’t know what Barker does, we’re also not privy to the tactics and set ups. For all we know they’re being drilled with it very clearly every day.

The fact that we can nail it at times and go to water with it at others points to not being switched on. To put it another way, ‘mentality’.

 

[Coops93]

Course not. Just vent my frustration at Cripps inability to kick goals. The fluke from yesterday notwithstanding.

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Fair enough.

I think he needs to get rid of that damn stutter. He does that then builds momentum off 2 steps after it to kick.

 

[HBF]

Stated many times that the point swings need to be addressed by Teague, it's a lack of gears/tempo in the gameplan. Unless its addressed in the off season, we will break into finals, but nothing more

I make predictions, right or wrong, yet people want to debate that, rather than stating their own.

They can't analyze the game, so they fall back on the last 20 years, mental weakness, losing culture, it's all media cliches

I think your last statement there is a very large generalisation.

 

[rampar]

Okay, without going through each game.

<insert any term you want>, culture, composure, mentality, etc. For the example, let's call it, "it"

We had "it" early in the cats game, then we didn't, then at the end, we got "it" back again

Sounds ridiculous don't you think?

You can apply the same theory to pretty much every game

It's a fictional cliche

Drill down to the setups, structure, tactics, gamestyle

"It" seems to follow Cripps around, when "it" is not busting his arse, we tend to fall apart.

 

[fnm_just a man]

Okay, without going through each game.

<insert any term you want>, culture, composure, mentality, etc. For the example, let's call it, "it"

We had "it" early in the cats game, then we didn't, then at the end, we got "it" back again

Sounds ridiculous don't you think?

You can apply the same theory to pretty much every game

It's a fictional cliche

Drill down to the setups, structure, tactics, gamestyle

I can't even begin to wrap my head around the ignorance of this 'fictional cliche' attitude... and by extension, I do wonder how such an attitude applies in day-to-day life..

.. and yes, of course it comes and goes within games. I can't see how that is difficult to comprehend.

We have fundamentally different views on the 'it' side of performance - I literally can't comprehend how one ignores it in the face of all the evidence; perhaps it's wilful ignorance. To avoid going around in circles, I'm outta here.

 

[bigm386]

Our senior players are Murphy, Casboult, Kreuzer, Simmo, Curnow and Jones.

I'l give you Murphy whose strength has never been two way running and I'll consider a bit of give on Levi only because I think he's just an average player (still think he tries his guts out though).

But the other four leave nothing on the ground which I would think is a pretty good standard to set to younger players.

Yes, I know Kreuz isn't playing but he is still around the group.

Senior players are too easy to pot on this forum.

I disagree, not sure how you don't consider players like Betts, McGovern, Cripps and Doc as part of our senior players.

Cripps offers nothing defensively and is hobbled.

McGovern offers nothing either offensively or defensively.

Betts bless him but he is past it.

Levi has been horrid for weeks.

These players are getting games which sets the standards and what is acceptable.

Our club is the equivalent of a participation ribbon.

But people love potting Newnes and Gibbo. Who actually crack in and give it all regardless of not being the most talented players in the AFL.

I'd take effort over half arse arm flails paying for frees any day of the week

 

[chunkylover53]

i've played plenty of footy and have played in mentally weak sides. it's a real thing.

 

[HBF]

I don’t demand answers. Like many others, I offer an opinion on where the club is positioned. Often that is deemed unacceptable to the regulars here. There’s a lot of condescension when you veer from the ‘Carlton is on the right track’ narrative.

Completely agree.

 

[Arr0w]

You can apply the same simplicity of your argument to your reasoning - so we had the setups, structure, tactics, gameplan early in the cats game, then we didnt, then at the end we got it back again.

Now we are finally getting somewhere.

So as the opposition throws something different at us, how do we combat that on a consistent basis, how do we prevent and or minimize it

Case in point the Crows, it's been clear where they have improved in the last couple of weeks and the style they want too pla. How did we combat that?

 

[Arr0w]

In the same way that we don’t know what Barker does, we’re also not privy to the tactics and set ups. For all we know they’re being drilled with it very clearly every day.

The fact that we can nail it at times and go to water with it at others points to not being switched on. To put it another way, ‘mentality’.

No, that's the conclusion you have come too

How are you mentally weak one 1 qtr, then mentally strong for another 3

 

[Arr0w]

I think your last statement there is a very large generalisation.

Wouldn't it be great to have more analysis HBF, rather than we are shit, or we have nothing to worry about

If people want to vent, great, do it about the current game, not the last 20 years

 

[Arr0w]

"It" seems to follow Cripps around, when "it" is not busting his arse, we tend to fall apart.

Tough when Cripps isn't on, but we have shown we can win without him

 

[Coops93]

Okay, without going through each game.

<insert any term you want>, culture, composure, mentality, etc. For the example, let's call it, "it"

We had "it" early in the cats game, then we didn't, then at the end, we got "it" back again

Sounds ridiculous don't you think?

You can apply the same theory to pretty much every game

It's a fictional cliche

Drill down to the setups, structure, tactics, gamestyle

We used to be with "it", then they changed what "it" was.

Now what we're with isn't "it", and what is is weird and confusing to us.

 

[Arr0w]

I can't even begin to wrap my head around the ignorance of this 'fictional cliche' attitude... and by extension, I do wonder how such an attitude applies in day-to-day life..

.. and yes, of course it comes and goes within games. I can't see how that is difficult to comprehend.

We have fundamentally different views on the 'it' side of performance - I literally can't comprehend how one ignores it in the face of all the evidence; perhaps it's wilful ignorance. To avoid going around in circles, I'm outta here.

Ignorance works both ways

 

[chunkylover53]

No, that's the conclusion you have come too

How are you mentally weak one 1 qtr, then mentally strong for another 3

Momentum. If you feel you have momentum you are first to the footy thus implementing the plan that has been made.

If you can feel momentum is against you, it's natural to go into your shell and pass the responsibility onto someone else. Those who are more mentally aware and can handle on-the-spot adversity are prone to performing better in these situations.

A lot of our important players are mentally weak in plenty of stages of the game.

Mental maturity, like physical, takes years to develop.

 

[skadoosh]

Now we are finally getting somewhere.

So as the opposition throws something different at us, how do we combat that on a consistent basis, how do we prevent and or minimize it

Case in point the Crows, it's been clear where they have improved in the last couple of weeks and the style they want too pla. How did we combat that?

Are you saying that intangibles like belief, attitude and any others you can think of when it comes to a sports do not play a part in the result?

I don't understand your stance, as it is fully skewed to one side. Surely there is a middle ground where intangibles + tangibles exist.

To use your example, so the Crows play a certain structure, Teague notices it and employs his own structure to counter it - is that the end of the story?
No, players still need to execute their disposals, they need to run around on the field, they need to go in hard and tackle etc. etc.
Our players are not robots, and this is not a computer simulation where you can plonk your pieces onto the field and press play and then expect a win just like that because you setup properly.

It's like you forget our players are humans, with a human nature and that we're not all wired the same.

 

[FRUMPY]

Momentum. If you feel you have momentum you are first to the footy thus implementing the plan that has been made.

If you can feel momentum is against you, it's natural to go into your shell and pass the responsibility onto someone else. Those who are more mentally aware and can handle on-the-spot adversity are prone to performing better in these situations.

A lot of our important players are mentally weak in plenty of stages of the game.

Mental maturity, like physical, takes years to develop.

Alot of our important players are mentally scared and play like it when shit hits the fan.

 

[HARKER]

Harks you can't play players that are horrendously out of form due to structure

The point is; There's nothing behind those players.
We can't just manufacture players out of thin air, nor play other terribly out of form players, for these terribly out of form players.

The cupboard was bare.

 

[pumped]

I think your last statement there is a very large generalisation.

Think mindset is perhaps the biggest influence on life and footy. We do not have too any players with the self belief to make the right decisions consistently. So composure imo is a big factor in our poor performances and not a meaningless cliche.

 

[95blues]

Think mindset is perhaps the biggest influence on life and footy. We do not have too any players with the self belief to make the right decisions consistently. So composure imo is a big factor in our poor performances and not a meaningless cliche.

100%

Sometimes teams (especially ours) just don't come to play. You can have all the structures & gameplans in the world (and these guys do) but if you arent mentally prepared you lose.

Its been years since this team has come out onto the ground looking like they are ready to play and it shows.

 

[FRUMPY]

No, that's the conclusion you have come too

How are you mentally weak one 1 qtr, then mentally strong for another 3

Why do some coaches give a bake at qtr/half time? What are they trying to elicit.......an emotional response (mental side of the game)?

 

[Moody Blue]

If I was a member of the Board of the CFC, I would be hauling Teague and his assistants asking a few questions.
1: Were the players there to play footy and try and keep the club in touch of playing finals, or were they in party mood?
2: Why was an Opposition player carried off the ground by Carlton players? Even the Crow's coach commented how he had never seen anything like that in his life.
3: Were the coaches aware that this was going to be done? If yes, why did they permit it?
4: How do you account for such a pathetic start to the match which ultimately cost the team the match?

Bryce Gibbs chose to leave the club. He provided great service etc etc, but he ultimately left. I understand that he has friendships, but you do all that when the cameras are off, and out of the gaze of the public.

I wonder what Maclure and Johnston would be thinking.. This is footy 2020?? Any wonder we have been in the wilderness for the past 18 years.

 

[FRUMPY]

100%

Sometimes teams (especially ours) just don't come to play. You can have all the structures & gameplans in the world (and these guys do) but if you arent mentally prepared you lose.

Its been years since this team has come out onto the ground looking like they are ready to play and it shows.

you can often see it in the warm up, blokes missing targets under no pressure, fumbling, mucking around. I remember playing freo at docklands a year or 2 ago and we got spanked. I said to the missus before the game they arent switched on, all by watching the warm up.

It used to shit me playing local footy when teammates were taking the piss and werent switched on.

 

[Arr0w]

Benefits of Sports Psychology for Athletes

Thoughts, Arr0w?

Huge benefits

 

[Franc de Borges]

No, that's the conclusion you have come too

How are you mentally weak one 1 qtr, then mentally strong for another 3

Easily. When there’s an expectation that we maintain focus and take the initiative (start of games/three quarter time with a lead) we are regularly poor. When the expectation is lifted (several goals behind/game we’re expected to lose) we find the intensity to match or surpass the opposition.