Autopsy Rd 2 Blues suffer bitterly disappointing loss to arch rival

Who played well for Carlton in Round 2?


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What really sh**s me is that we appear to be a subpar team fitness and strength-wise as well. Every. Single. Year. What are we doing all pre-season!?
It's boys amongst men out there. We look like we're running in sand.

I thought that Russell bloke from Hawthorn was meant to sort all that out...

Still waiting...
 
I am pissed off as much as you, but that is a pathetic attitude to take. Wanting the club to keep on losing for some kind of agenda (ie getting the coach sacked)

I clearly recall this kind of sentiment happening amongst Blues fans in Pagan, Ratts, Mick, and Bolton's final years and it really pisses me off.
Maybe that should prove something to you. We suck arse. I can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel anymore. When you watch gulden, Campbell running around. Sydney GC Fremantle are going past us pretty quick.
 

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Was at the game tonight and the biggest takeaway for me was that we were just being reactive. Collingwood were making all the play.

Our plays and scoring opportunities only came about through their mistakes or our scrappy, unplanned system. When they had the ball they had a system and free men and they hit their targets. It was their Control versus our Chaos.

So much need to have a whole team that works hard and to a system that they all understand. Going nowhere otherwise...

Yeah felt like so many decision making errors were happening, all through rushing and lack of composure under pressure...

Same old story unfortunately...
 
Was at the game tonight and the biggest takeaway for me was that we were just being reactive. Collingwood were making all the play.

Our plays and scoring opportunities only came about through their mistakes or our scrappy, unplanned system. When they had the ball they had a system and free men and they hit their targets. It was their Control versus our Chaos.

So much need to have a whole team that works hard and to a system that they all understand. Going nowhere otherwise...
Agreed, most of our goals seem to come from scrappy half chances. Very few came from set plays or a clean passage of football. We look unorganised at best, a shambles at worst.
 
Ok, Cripps was terrible tonight but I was exaggerating in suggesting he should go. The melts are real.

He did legitimately crash three of Harry’s contests and was just laboured all over the field though, not a great look from our captain.

Positive takeaways?
Omac starts next week
Martin and Williams were great
Saad continues to impress
Walsh heroic as ever
McKay cooled his jets and slotted 4 straight
SPS looks to be gaining confidence by foot
Fogarty was elite
Fisher had glimpses

EDIT:
Gibbo, what a star!

Yes on OMac
Martin was good, Williams was handy but butchered the ball
Saad goes alright but sometimes need to put the sideways field goal away. Efficiency is poor for an uncontested player
Walsh fought his way out of a so so first half to be our best again
McKay could have kicked 7 if he took his opportunities and just couldn't keep his feet. He had the ball put on his chest a couple of times to earn himself a pass mark. Moore carved him up more than his goal tally would suggest
SPS looked decent with ball in hand. Defensively, he was extremely conditional
Fogarty wasn't elite, but he was very good. I like that he makes repeat efforts and he doesn't give up on his tackles
Fisher was great early, faded a bit but always busy
Gibbo showed a veteran's brain. He will have the odd bad one and he will get in the way sometimes but he fulfilled his end of the bargain
 
could be protecting himself to ensure a nice big pay day....

Unless he can be a resting forward .. this new game (AFL) 4quarter gut running .... its not him ...
 

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I’m confused about the man on the mark rule as well. There appears to be a significant lag when the player runs off the mark and the umpire calls play on.
I would love to know who the umpire is looking at. I presume the man on the mark when in reality it should be the man with the ball to make sure he doesn't play on and if he does call play on.

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In all seriousness, I wonder what number cripps will be wearing at freo next year? We have absolutely ruined that poor bloke.
Never giving him support until it was far too late. Ridiculous

I don't buy this. Walsh is carrying this team on his 20 year old back and you are the captain of the club. He should be standing the **** up.

It is becoming clearer that he won't be at the club next year, but he's letting Walsh down, most of all.
 
Yes on OMac
Martin was good, Williams was handy but butchered the ball
Saad goes alright but sometimes need to put the sideways field goal away. Efficiency is poor for an uncontested player
Walsh fought his way out of a so so first half to be our best again
McKay could have kicked 7 if he took his opportunities and just couldn't keep his feet. He had the ball put on his chest a couple of times to earn himself a pass mark. Moore carved him up more than his goal tally would suggest
SPS looked decent with ball in hand. Defensively, he was extremely conditional
Fogarty wasn't elite, but he was very good. I like that he makes repeat efforts and he doesn't give up on his tackles
Fisher was great early, faded a bit but always busy
Gibbo showed a veteran's brain. He will have the odd bad one and he will get in the way sometimes but he fulfilled his end of the bargain

It speaks volumes you gave a yes to include Omac in the team .... VOLUMES about where we are at ....
 
It’s not the back line that were disorganized, it’s the midfield. Once the midfield breaks down, which happened a lot last week, and more this week, the opposition bursts forward with little to no impedance. The breakdown happens further up field and the back line pay the price.

And then when Carlton regain possession in the back half, the team dicks around with the ball chipping back and forth giving the opposition time to set, and eventually get the turnover.

it was so Boltonesque.

No doubt the mids didn't work hard enough defensively, but Jones and Weits were outplayed positionanally, then panicked by holding when the should have used more body pressure to force players under the ball, or just attack the pill

Teague good learn from Bolton's tempo, Bolton should have been more open to Teague's atracking style

Balance is somewhere in the middle
 
We looked more likely beating Collingwood when we had Justin Davies and Adrian Deluca running around for us.
 
Yeah bit of bad luck that about Crippa.
Looses weight to spread better in a congested game (2020), but get pushed off the ball too easily in the process and loses his greatest weapon.
Bulks back up to regain that strength in the contest that he lost (in which he loses a little pace in the process which will take awhile to get used to running with the extra weight in matches), and what happens?..

...on the eve of the season the AFL change the rules which reduce stoppages and lessen his influence, and his lack of pace shows up)
(Im not saying by design Thy )

Ive got faith Crippa will adapt his game accordingly and be damaging for us.

A packet of chips???

Ffs
Have to hit targets, new rule changes punish us for missing them.
Cripps affected by the change in the rules and the speed of the game.
Cripps and Docherty not great leaders.
Pitto is a pedestrian ruck.
Ball coming in too much for our defenders to get a break and Pies targeted Plowman, not his best game.
Can see why we wanted Graham too, we still lack sufficient strong bodies.
Walsh head high and Williams good early, H and Gibbo good effort given poor delivery.
Hope players can turn it around.

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Sigh. Unless Teague etc have the balls to shake things up this season is going to slip away very quickly.

Cripps: I am genuinely afraid the recent changes have made the game too fast for him as a midfielder. A long time ago Brereton predicted that Cripps would start as a midfielder but end his career as a mobile CHF. Prediction doesn't look so bad in hindsight. His manager must be cursing Hocking. That next contract % isn't going to be anywhere near as juicy as he'd hoped.

Murphy: Been a great servant, best player in the comp in 2011, but time is up. We can't carry him through games, let alone to 300. The pace is gone, the brakes are gone, it's over. Would rather see SPS in the creative high half-forward role.

Plowman: Collingwood have a known game plan to isolate him vs speedy players, and we let it happen. Even the commentators were astounded by the 'leading lanes' our backmen continually provided to the Pies. Poor bloke got crucified, and our players were complicit in it. All were happy to simply mind their own man - even if their man had dragged them to the boundary to create space.

Doc: Actually took some steps forward today. Has probably felt like his leadership wasn't required as Cripps is ordinarily all-conquering, but we've played played 2 games now, and Cripps has struggled in 1.5 of them. I've gone from wondering whether he should step away from the captaincy to expecting huge improvement in the next few weeks. Will go from strength to strength at seeing his leadership is not only wanted, but needed.

Setterfield: 80% time on ground for 19 metres gained. Only Oscar McDonald was less dangerous. The transformation from last year is remarkable, and let's not blame the move to the wing - he's played there plenty. Looks scared and disinterested and should play in the VFL this week.

SPS: Actually redeemed himself in the second half I thought. We're not using to him to his strengths. Neat 20-30m kicks in the front half result in set shots, but we have him in defence where short kicks stifle transition.

Walsh: Star. Sad that a kid has to do this much heavy lifting in a team that is meant to be maturing.

Martin: Faded in the second half but did his job. Showed nice courage and stood under the kind of kicks that a few of his teammates happily shirk.

Casboult: No point getting mad at him, he didn't pick himself. This one sits entirely with the selection committee.

McKay: One of the poorer four-goal games you'll see. Absolutely submitted to Moore. Threw himself on the ground, played for frees, avoided contact. Did get his head split open early though so I'm perhaps too harsh.

Dow: He's not playing poorly, but he just doesn't have it. DeKoning aside, it's probably time to admit we completely blew the 2017 draft and trade period.

Gibbons: Natural footballer who is just above VFL level and is a walk up start in our team imo. (those were nice goals tho)

Jones/Weit: Ok games. Again victim to extremely dubious free kicks that our forwards never seem to receive. So sick of having to watch ridiculously soft frees being paid against our KPD's and listening to commentators mewling about how it's 'technically there I spose' or 'pretty stiff', etc etc.

Williamson: Has been worked out and I've lost faith. Second week in a row the opposition have simply sweated on his left and punished us. Should be dropped.

Pitto: Battler. Honest.

Newnes/Williams/Saad/Fogarty: Good


Summary: This game looked like a bunch of comfy long-time employees sitting back and saying "Screw this, let the new guys do it."
 
I know this will go down like a lead balloon because fans are so frustrated that they can't go on the offensive with their mates after such a long time being laughed at......but i really don't think we are far away at all. There are some obvious things we REALLY need to address, but it aint easy turning around the titanic lol.

The blowup in here tonight is what footy is all about and highly predictable in the age of releasing emotion at the touch of a keypad. It's been a funny thread to read.

My old bugbears of Casboult and Murphy are still my bugbears. Constant liabilities. Some of my favored young players have started the year badly_(Willo and Setters).

But the reality is we have played a champion team in Richmond and a full strength Collingwood team and come up short. I reckon we'll win more than we lose from here with some hard early lessons learned and acted on.

2c
 
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although richmond are a team that thrives off of turnovers so against the pies it might be a different story, they might bring it up against wednesday who knows
I think this is Arrows point. I have an ‘as well’ to Arrows concern about tempo footy. We are not quick enough through the midfield to play ‘high press’ football. We get scores against so easily in transition because we make half the ground a foot race for about 5 v 5 guys when we turn it over. And we just don’t have the pace for it.

Teague is trying to copy the Richmond game plan and he doesn’t realise that they get away with it because their defenders and defensive mids are all quick or quickish.

We have Saad and that’s it.
 
My kids who are 16 and 10 don’t even bother watching anymore no matter what I do sadly as much as I have been trying for the last 5years plus. As they use to start a game with me on the TV but now they just don’t wanna know about footy. :(

We are just a basket case.
My boy has only just started showing a real interest over the last year or so. We was right into the game last week and was up and about tonight as well.
The positive is that he hates Collingwood now and he can’t stand Mason Cox 😂
My 4yo watched the first qtr and she loves “Sarge” (Saad) cos he’s so fast.
But I’ve got to really think about whether having them watch at the moment is beneficial. I mean for so many years I let losses bother me too much. I’m kind of just numb to it now. When we lose, I get disappointed and stay off Facebook for a few days and just come here as I know everyone feels the same as me.

I’m gonna stay positive and hope we can kick the season off next week Go Blue.
 

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