Rd 3 Team

[Crows4Eva]

Taking into account the currant injury news, round 3 team will probably look something like this.

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens

HB: Martin, Davis, van Berlo

C: Tambling, Vince, Douglas

HF: Knights, Walker, Dangerfield

FF: Henderson, Tippett, McKernan

F: Maric, Thompson, Reilly

I: Symes, Otten, Doughty Sub: Smith

IN: Martin, Symes, Tippett
OUT: Porplezia, Mackay, Sloane

 

[BACCS]

Tippett is out of the moon boot according to Bernie, and is jogging around etc. Looks like he is a monty to come back in round 3.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Taking into account the currant injury news, round 3 team will probably look something like this.

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens

HB: Martin, Davis, van Berlo

C: Tambling, Vince, Douglas

HF: Knights, Walker, Dangerfield

FF: Henderson, Tippett, McKernan

F: Maric, Thompson, Reilly

I: Symes, Otten, Doughty Sub: Smith

IN: Martin, Symes, Tippett
OUT: Porplezia, Mackay, Sloane

I'm not sure on this however I don't think that you are allowed to have the same sub 2 weeks in a row

can anyone provide clarity on this ?

 

[Vader]

I'm not sure on this however I don't think that you are allowed to have the same sub 2 weeks in a row

can anyone provide clarity on this ?

First time I've heard of that rule.

 

[Allefgib]

Truly?

I've not paid much attention to the rule but thats a rather odd condition.

 

[Mismatched]

On 5aa yesterday they said Doughty had done his hamstring right at the end of the game. I haven't heard other reports though. Did I dream it?

No mention of it on the AFC's Monday injury round-up:
http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/110177/default.aspx

That said, Sloane apparently has a broken jaw to go with his broken thumb!

Jacobs is still 2 weeks off playing his 1st game of footy since R1 of the MMC. I'd be surprised to see him in the seniors before R6 at the earliest.

Nah, Doughty just has a bad bruise on one of his legs, the commentators probably just commented because he would have been icing it quite heavily and was perhaps limping. Its possible also that he'd reported that it felt like he'd torn it.

 

[ruscy002]

I'm not sure on this however I don't think that you are allowed to have the same sub 2 weeks in a row

can anyone provide clarity on this ?

First I've heard of this too, but I don't mind it. Having said that, clubs would be nuts to name the same player as sub for more than two weeks in a row, under utilisation could hurt form and/or development.

 

[jenny61_99]

And when Johncock was having issues cramping, it looked very "groin" like - in that it wasn't his calves and he was walking with a serious impediment in the upper leg region. (Actually looked like he'd kacked his pants! ). Hope I'm wrong (on both counts).

 

[ruscy002]

And when Johncock was having issues cramping, it looked very "groin" like - in that it wasn't his calves and he was walking with a serious impediment in the upper leg region. (Actually looked like he'd kacked his pants! ). Hope I'm wrong (on both counts).

Will never think of groin injuries the same after seeing LeCras go down, that was nothing short of frightening.

 

[Vader]

First I've heard of this too, but I don't mind it. Having said that, clubs would be nuts to name the same player as sub for more than two weeks in a row, under utilisation could hurt form and/or development.

Depends on how early the substitute was made. Smith was introduced barely 5 min into the game. Waite & Selwood were both replaced inside the first quarter.

I doubt there would be much downside to re-cycling those subs in the next game. On the other hand, those who weren't introduced until the 3rd or 4th quarter would probably benefit from having a run.

 

[Mismatched]

Depends on how early the substitute was made. Smith was introduced barely 5 min into the game. Waite & Selwood were both replaced inside the first quarter.

I doubt there would be much downside to re-cycling those subs in the next game. On the other hand, those who weren't introduced until the 3rd or 4th quarter would probably benefit from having a run.

Personally, I think we might tend to see clubs use the sub position as a way to introduce youngsters into the side, whilst giving those borderline players a chance to show some form in the SANFL, otherwise it could come a bit like the traveling emergency, where you can lose a bit of form and consistency.

 

[SydCrow]

Will never think of groin injuries the same after seeing LeCras go down, that was nothing short of frightening.

apparently torn off the bone - can you imagine what that must have felt like?

a turkey wishbone at Christmas

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens

HB: Martin, Davis, van Berlo

C: Otten, Vince, Douglas

HF: Knights, Walker, Dangerfield

FF: Henderson, Tippett, McKernan

R: Maric, Thompson, Reilly

I: Smith,Tambling , Doughty Sub: Symes

IN: Martin, Symes, Tippett
OUT: Porplezia, Mackay, Sloane

 

[Team DJ]

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens

HB: Otton, Davis, Doherty

C: van Berlo, Vince, Tambling

HF: Knights, Walker, Henderson

FF: Dangerfield, Tippett, Douglas

R: McKernan, Thompson, Reilly

I: Smith, Symes Martin Sub: Sellar

In: Sellar Symes Martin Tippett
Out: Maric Mckay Sloane Porplyzia

Ive cut my losses in this team. I figure unless Shaun Rehn plays we are going to lose in the ruck anyways. So ive brought in Sellar for Maric. He is more versitile and offers more football ability then Maric, trying to turn a negative in the ruck into a positive around the ground. Sellar can come on in the last as the sub, play forward back and in the ruck running around some of the more tired bigger bodies at the Dockers.


Another though, Ricky Henderson to run with pavlich. He has the size and speed to go with him over the park. Would be a huge learning curve for him playing against a person with similar attributes to him that is at the elite end of the AFL.

 

[Vader]

Ive cut my losses in this team. I figure unless Shaun Rehn plays we are going to lose in the ruck anyways. So ive brought in Sellar for Maric. He is more versitile and offers more football ability then Maric, trying to turn a negative in the ruck into a positive around the ground. Sellar can come on in the last as the sub, play forward back and in the ruck running around some of the more tired bigger bodies at the Dockers.

I think Dream Team Buff has it spot on in the post before yours. Not a snowball's chance in hell that Maric is going to get dropped in favour of Sellar.

Another though, Ricky Henderson to run with pavlich. He has the size and speed to go with him over the park. Would be a huge learning curve for him playing against a person with similar attributes to him that is at the elite end of the AFL.

Davis did an outstanding job on him last time the 2 teams met - Pavlich had just 3 disposals to half time.

 

[Team DJ]

I think Dream Team Buff has it spot on in the post before yours. Not a snowball's chance in hell that Maric is going to get dropped in favour of Sellar.

Davis did an outstanding job on him last time the 2 teams met - Pavlich had just 3 disposals to half time.

I never thought that Maric would get dropped, its just if i was heading it up thats what i would do. I do agree with the buffs team.

That was the game he got smashed by Sandi yeah??? In that case Davis gets first crack but if Pav moves up the ground or if one team is smashing the other i wouldnt mind Henderson getting to run around with the best and see how he goes about it.

 

[Vader]

I never thought that Maric would get dropped, its just if i was heading it up thats what i would do. I do agree with the buffs team.

That was the game he got smashed by Sandi yeah??? In that case Davis gets first crack but if Pav moves up the ground or if one team is smashing the other i wouldnt mind Henderson getting to run around with the best and see how he goes about it.

That's the game - Tyson's farewell.

Henderson has the pace & athleticism to go with Pavlich. I don't think he has the footy smarts or the defensive skills. Then again, what better of learning that playing on one of the best players in the league?

 

[lunacy]

FB Johncock Rutten Stevens
HB Martin Davis Doughty
C Otten Thompson Tambling
HF Knights Walker Henderson
FF Mckernan Tippett Jaensch
1R Maric Douglas Reilly
Int. VB Vince Dangerfield (sub) Smith*

Out: Porps, Mackay, Sloane (all injured)
In: Tippett, Martin, Jaensch

* Smith deserves a full game and imo is up to it, but Martin is ahead of Smith on ability at this stage.

I have Jaensch getting the nod ahead of Smith based on team balance. I think we have many wingman/half back flankers in the team and need another small forward (can play wing as well anyway). Especially losing Porps and also Sloane who actually spends a lot of time up forward as well.

If Symes gets the nod along with Tippett and Martin, I'd make him the sub, as Smith is obviously ahead of Symes based on last weeks selections. Both play similar positions so clearly Symes is demoted to sub and Smith is in starting 21.

I definitely hope Jaensch gets the nod ahead of Symes considering the following players can play wing/hbf; Otten, Tambling, Martin, Smith, VB, Doughty. That's already 6. Why would we bring in Symes who plays similar roles. Even if we move the deck chairs there would still be 7 players who play similar roles. IMO Jaensch is more versatile anyway. He can play as small forward (ie forward pocket), high half forward, wing and half back. Plus we are losing 2 players forward of centre Porps and Sloane.

Jaensch has more match winning qualities as well over Symes. Either way we have some big outs but the inclusions should be just as good.

 

[Ravenous Crow]

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens

HB: Tambling, Davis, Doughty

C: Martin, Vince, Van Berlo

HF: Dangerfield, Walker, Knights

FF: Jaensch, Tippett, Douglas

R: McKernan, Reilly, Thompson

I/C: Maric, Smith, Henderson, sub: Otten

In: Martin, Jaensch, Tippett
Out: Mackay, Porplyzia, Sloane


Martin - With Mackay out of the side we'll really need Martin's dash on the wing. Symes is unlucky to miss out but is far too slow to play the role and I think we need better decision making going into attack.

Jaensch - Best available to play the small forward/crumbing role with injuries to Porplyzia and Callinan.

Sub - I know Smith's going to be the sub again but I really hope it doesn't happen. He was instrumental in 2/3 goals on the wing and will rack up more of the ball as he begins to meld with the team (see that moment in the 3rd quarter where he got open inside 50 but Walker neglected to chip it over to him, instead blazing away). It sucks to make a player of Otten's quality a sub but I think he still has a way to go before he reaches his 2009 form.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Funny how we've gone from "how do we choose?" to "who do we have left?" in a week. Crikey we've been hit hard by injuries.

I expect to see Tippett (for Porps), Martin (for Mackay) and Symes (for Sloane), but I'm hoping Jaensch gets a strong look.

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens
HB: Doughty, Davis, Martin
_C: Tambling, Thompson, Van Berlo
HF: Douglas, McKernan, Knights
FF: Dangerfield, Tippett, Walker
FO: Maric, Vince, Reilly
INT: Smith, Henderson, Otten (Symes)

 

[Vader]

FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens
HB: Doughty , Davis, van Berlo
_C: Otten, Vince, Henderson
HF: Knights, Walker, Dangerfield
FF: Douglas, Tippett, McKernan
R: Maric, Thompson, Reilly
I: Smith,Tambling, Martin Sub: Symes

EMG: Jaensch, Moran, Gunston

IN: Martin, Symes, Tippett
OUT: Porplyzia, Mackay, Sloane

Tippett is a straight swap for Porplyzia. Having the extra tall in our forward line will actually improve the team balance.

Martin replaces Mackay. One slightly built speedster for another.

Symes replaces Sloane, as the best "inside" midfielder option left open to us. He's the last player picked, so he'll (hopefully) get to spend the first 3/4 of the game on the substitute bench.

 

[Vader]

Funny how we've gone from "how do we choose?" to "who do we have left?" in a week. Crikey we've been hit hard by injuries.

We just have a very inexperienced list. 20 of the 39 players on our senior list have played less than 20 games, only 8 have played 100+ and none have played 200+.

It doesn't help that the list is unbalanced, in favour of the KPPs, courtesy of our drafting binges in 2008 & 2009.

 

[Huntercrow]

We just have a very inexperienced list. 20 of the 39 players on our senior list have played less than 20 games, only 8 have played 100+ and none have played 200+.

It doesn't help that the list is unbalanced, in favour of the KPPs, courtesy of our drafting binges in 2008 & 2009.

Don't agree with your drafting binges theory.
I think it's the quality of those 20 inexperienced players that could be the key to our success or failure.
Davis for example really hasn't put a foot wrong and I'm confident he'll be a good matchup for Pav or any other CHF.
I would expect 8-10 of the u20 game players to play in the first 22 on form this year and not by neccessity. And I would be confident they would do well.
If you look at this u20 game list below, I think they will all have played in the firsts by rd 22 (some already have) and it looks a good mix of KPs and non KPs.....

Moran
Jacobs
Sloane
Davis
hendo
Jaensch
Martin
Young
Smack
Smith

You could also throw in Gunston, Sellar and possibly Lyons depending on future SANFL form to play at some stage.

I like our list and where it's going.

 

[Vader]

By drafting binges, I meant that we binged on tall players, when we really needed to be drafting more smalls for team balance.

Assuming that our best 22 is:
B: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens.
HB: van Berlo, Davis, Doughty.
C: Tambling, Reilly, Mackay.
HF: Knights, Walker, Douglas.
F: Porplyzia, Tippett, Vince.
R: Jacobs, Sloane, Thompson.
I/C: Dangerfield, Henderson, Otten, Maric.
Emerg: Martin, McKernan, Smith.

Outside the best 22 we have the following KPPs:
McKernan
Sellar
Moran
Young
Thompson
Craig
Talia
Gunston
Total = 8 players

And the following mid/flankers:
Smith
Martin
Jaensch
Symes
Armstrong
Cook
Petrenko
Shaw
Lyons
Total = 9 players

However, the team each week contains roughly twice as many mids & flankers as it does KPPs. You would expect that the non-selected players would also be in a similar ratio. You might expect the he list might to be slightly biased towards the KPPs, as they take longer to develop, but certainly not 1:1.

Our 2008 & 2009 drafts were anything but balanced. We grabbed a lot of talls in 2008 as we were expecting them to be rare as hens' teeth by the time we got our first pick in 2009. That expectation turned out to be baseless and we binged again the following year. This has resulted in our team list being "top heavy" in 2011.

 

[SydCrow]

luckily Otten and Knights are back and can play in the midfield if needed (query Knights' tank). As can Tamborine man. We actually have 15 midfielders in our best 25 (including Brodie Smith).