Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Roby]

Amazing how many people are voting selfishly and not compassionately. I ******* hate this world we live in atm.

Thank Trump

 

[Roby]

Did BLM impact tourism and international relations in any way? I was using it as an example to show that the much more minor failure of the voice vote won't have any meaningful international impact.

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Sure, I understood your argument

Will see what happens in the next few years

 

[Blue Arrow]

It's official now, Horses by Daryl Braithwaite.
You lose twice Johnny.

Research reveals impact John Farnham's hit song has had on voters

John Farnham's official backing of the Yes campaign has backfired with voters, according to new polling.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[winty]

Seems we've made headlines internationally.

Voice referendum: Lies fuel racism ahead of Australia's Indigenous vote

Experts express concerns for First Nations people as a referendum debate turns increasingly divisive.

www.bbc.com

 

[the_interloper]

Sure, I understood your argument

Will see what happens in the next few years

I think whatever happens to our tourism numbers, the failed Voice vote will be down the list of things that affects people coming here. The sort of events we might put on, price of flights, exchange rates etc etc would be way more key to tourist numbers.

 

[Roby]

I think whatever happens to our tourism numbers, the failed Voice vote will be down the list of things that affects people coming here. The sort of events we might put on, price of flights, exchange rates etc etc would be way more key to tourist numbers.

Our dollar has dropped, flights are cheaper, and yet this year less people have come here compared to 2019.

What events did we have in 2019 that we didn't have this year?

 

[Gough]

I think whatever happens to our tourism numbers, the failed Voice vote will be down the list of things that affects people coming here. The sort of events we might put on, price of flights, exchange rates etc etc would be way more key to tourist numbers.

It's not about tourism, it'll be diplomatically where we'll be diminished.

 

[the_interloper]

Our dollar has dropped, flights are cheaper, and yet this year less people have come here compared to 2019.

What events did we have in 2019 that we didn't have this year?

I really can't recall to be honest. But you're thinking that this drop off is due to the Voice looking like a likely no in the polls?

 

[the_interloper]

It's not about tourism, it'll be diplomatically where we'll be diminished.

I mean I'm not sure other countries would be taking particular notice, but I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[Gough]

I mean I'm not sure other countries would be taking particular notice, but I guess we'll see what happens.

We're looking to counter Chinese influence in the Pacific, how do you think those countries might look at a no result when we're trying to sell ourselves as the good guys?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I mean I'm not sure other countries would be taking particular notice, but I guess we'll see what happens.

South Africa should boycott our cricket team.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

South Africa should boycott our cricket team.

Why do we have any racist laws you can name?
You're being pretty silly.

 

[Sun Ra]

Why do we have any racist laws you can name?
You're being pretty silly.

In Derby (North WA) you get asked to show your drivers licence or car keys to buy take away alcohol.
This is because most local Aboriginals have neither and it's a way to say no to them. So they hang around outside
and ask people going into the bottle shop to buy it for them. Is that racist ? Not sure if it an actual law or not.

 

[Roby]

I really can't recall to be honest.

Then I'd be more researched before I post, if I were you, otherwise people will think you're just typing words on a page.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In Derby (North WA) you get asked to show your drivers licence or car keys to buy take away alcohol.
This is because most local Aboriginals have neither and it's a way to say no to them. So they hang around outside
and ask people going into the bottle shop to buy it for them. Is that racist ? Not sure if it an actual law or not.

Sure its racist by those doing it.
But Arpartheit was based on National Laws.
A non-racist in South Africa back then could be punished for not abiding by the racist laws.

 

[winty]

Yeah, good one Dutton. The country wouldn't be divided in the first place if it wasn't for you using the Indigenous Voice as a political football.

 

[the_interloper]

We're looking to counter Chinese influence in the Pacific, how do you think those countries might look at a no result when we're trying to sell ourselves as the good guys?

Depends if they're taking notice of the Voice referendum or not, like I said I'm not sure whether they do.

Then I'd be more researched before I post, if I were you, otherwise people will think you're just typing words on a page.

Well why don't you educate me? You still didn't answer whether you thought that the No vote polling well will affect our tourism numbers?

 

[Roby]

In Derby (North WA) you get asked to show your drivers licence or car keys to buy take away alcohol.
This is because most local Aboriginals have neither and it's a way to say no to them. So they hang around outside
and ask people going into the bottle shop to buy it for them. Is that racist ? Not sure if it an actual law or not.

I'm sure Aldi doesn't have any racist policies, but I went to Aldi this week, my wife who's Asian, had her bag checked on the way out, even though she didn't purchase anything. She left while I was still shopping.

When I lined up at the isle, a black man in front of me had his bag checked, when it was my turn they didn't even bother to check.

 

[Roby]

Yeah, good one Dutton. The country wouldn't be divided in the first place if it wasn't for you using the Indigenous Voice as a political football.

So how is this white supremacist going to unite Australia again?

 

[Roby]

Well why don't you educate me? You still didn't answer whether you thought that the No vote polling well will affect our tourism numbers?

I said no.

You have an inability to read and comprehend.

 

[swingdog]

We're looking to counter Chinese influence in the Pacific, how do you think those countries might look at a no result when we're trying to sell ourselves as the good guys?

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[the_interloper]

I said no.

You have an inability to read and comprehend.

I disagree!

Hang on, I misread that sorry, you're right.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I'm really disappointed with the feeling that this referendum is going to fail. My sister just messaged me to say that she tried having a discussion with our mum about it, but was politely moved onto a different discussion, which was her way of saying she was going to vote No and didn't want to get into it.

My mum is genuinely a lovely woman, who has my whole life looked out for people in need and went to uni in her 50s to get a degree that enabled her to work on international aid projects in PNG and Africa. Both my parents were staunch Liberal voters, but over the past 10-15 years has really thought about whether the Liberal party matches her general beliefs and has changed her voting patterns to suit.

I know it's entirely anecdotal, but it made me feel like if she's thought it through and is voting No, there's going to be a hell of a lot more people voting No (regardless of whether or not they properly look into it).

I don't feel confident at all.

 

[JackOutback]

I'm sure Aldi doesn't have any racist policies, but I went to Aldi this week, my wife who's Asian, had her bag checked on the way out, even though she didn't purchase anything. She left while I was still shopping.

When I lined up at the isle, a black man in front of me had his bag checked, when it was my turn they didn't even bother to check.

What did you steal?

 

[Saint]

So how is this white supremacist going to unite Australia again?

I could list 20 things Dutton has done to divide Australia and can't think of a single thing he's done to unite Australia.