Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[1990crow]

Anthony Albanese tells Peter Dutton he will set up bipartisan committee to legislate on voice to parliament if yes vote succeeds

Speaking at the same Yes23 campaign launch in Sydney, Julian Leeser says ‘Australians aren’t a perfect people … but are good-hearted’

www.theguardian.com

Anthony Albanese has sought to allay concerns about the design of the voice by telling Peter Dutton he will set up a bipartisan committee to legislate the advisory body, if the referendum is successful.

Do you take the Prime Minister at his word?

Yes?
Have to get there first. We’d already be there if Dutton had done the honourable thing and backed it.
Sadly he’s a campaigner.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

So Mundine and Price are racist against their own people? Ok, well I'm white, personally I wouldn't make an accusation like that.

Yes they are, by any measure. Listen to their words and watch their actions.
When you parrot the same words as Hanson, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt , you are racist.

 

[Festerz]

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Yes they are, by any measure. Listen to their words and watch their actions.
When you parrot the same words as Hanson, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt , you are racist.

Whether they are or not is immaterial calling them that just plays into their hands.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Actually it no longer recognises the House of Lords and privy council or at least it no longer grants them any powers probably ditto on the Royal Navy.

 

[Festerz]

Actually it no longer recognises the House of Lords and privy council or at least it no longer grants them any powers probably ditto on the Royal Navy.

All of these things, being remnants of colonial British thinking are recognised in the Constitution. STILL.

Despite High Court changes to powers associated.

That’s the point being made about the Australian Constitution in in 2023. Relevancy. And a failure to recognise our own Non-British past.

If you were to look back on your family, relatives and generations past and see their and your history in this land ignored in its founding legal documents and their and your human existence on this land continue to trail far behind that of every other ethnic group who has come to this place since 1788, what would you think?

Would you think the laws of this place serve you and your people well? Would you think there is need for change?

Or would you think NO. No change needed. Keep things as they are thank you.

And our Constitution with its reference to Old Mother England and its 18th Century Institutions and values will serve our First Nations people’s just fine.

 

[Rotayjay]

Except for the AFL finals, I haven't watched broadcast TV for a couple of weeks, and I watched some tonight. **** me - it's wall-to-wall with pro-Voice and anti-Voice ads.

 

[the_interloper]

Yes they are, by any measure. Listen to their words and watch their actions.
When you parrot the same words as Hanson, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt , you are racist.

Are you indigenous?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Are you indigenous?

So why are you voting No?

 

[cartwright]

Yes?
Have to get there first. We’d already be there if Dutton had done the honourable thing and backed it.
Sadly he’s a campaigner.

when Dutton and campaigner are in the same sentence the swear filter should be bypassed.

 

[Engimal v3]

Wow, I didn't know this bus the referendum is an act of genocide

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Rotayjay]

Yep is always a s**t show when people are given permission to be the worst version of themselves.

The toilet paper fiasco of 2020 was a canary in the coal mine, a sign of how selfish and utterly stupid Australians are as a whole.

 

[tandino]

Yes?

I wasn't making a statement in isolation, it was a response to a conversation about Price's post-Yes role.

 

[Number37]

So Mundine and Price are racist against their own people? Ok, well I'm white, personally I wouldn't make an accusation like that.

You are assuming that all indigenous people are one homogeneous group and therefore cannot be racist against each other.
If you assume all Muslims or Christians are one homogeneous group then by your logic they wouldn't be bigoted towards other people of their religion...but history tells you that they can in fact be deeply bigoted towards other people of their religion. (e.g. Sunnis v Shiites, Catholics v Protestants)

 

[brutus76]

Canadians did it 40 years ago. Get with the times Australia and stop living in the past.

 

[the_interloper]

So why are you voting No?

I’m voting yes. Are you indigenous?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Voted, took 3 minutes.

Pre poll question can I vote anywhere (in my state) as there aren’t any electorates to worry about?

 

[QuietB]

So Mundine and Price are racist against their own people? Ok, well I'm white, personally I wouldn't make an accusation like that.

What makes you think Mundine and Price represent “their own people”?

 

[QuietB]

The toilet paper fiasco of 2020 was a canary in the coal mine, a sign of how selfish and utterly stupid Australians are as a whole.

I think we can add the Myth of the Good Bloke and Myth of a Fair Go to all the other false Australian myths.

If this referendum fails I’m going to buy 10 investment properties to celebrate and weld the locks shut.

I feel like that would help me fit in more?

 

[winty]

The toilet paper fiasco of 2020 was a canary in the coal mine, a sign of how selfish and utterly stupid Australians are as a whole.

It's staggering how quickly Australia went from digging deep for bushfire victims to punching on with complete strangers in supermarkets over the last packet of toilet paper, and we haven't recovered from that.

 

[the_interloper]

What makes you thing Mundine and Price represent “their own people”?

I didn't say they did or didn't, i'm sure they represent some indigenous people though, it's not like they're all voting yes.

Either way we live in an interesting world if white people think they can accuse indigenous people of being racist to other indigenous people.

 

[MrKK]

It's staggering how quickly Australia went from digging deep for bushfire victims to punching on with complete strangers in supermarkets over the last packet of toilet paper, and we haven't recovered from that.

People's true colours come out in a crisis, and for a lot of people in 2020 those colours were very ugly.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I didn't say they did or didn't, i'm sure they represent some indigenous people though, it's not like they're all voting yes.

Either way we live in an interesting world if white people think they can accuse indigenous people of being racist to other indigenous people.

There's no logical reason why they cannot make such an accusation.
Whether it's true or false is another question.

 

[the_interloper]

There's no logical reason why they cannot make such an accusation.
Whether it's true or false is another question.

I feel like most indigenous people would take a dim view of this, be they yes or no voters

 

[FredLeDeux]

I feel like most indigenous people would take a dim view of this, be they yes or no voters

It's not a matter upon which individual or group opinion is relevant.