Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Captivating]

Wrong. Not Australian authors.

You can deny, but it's world news how backward and racist we are.

Rebecca Strating
Director, La Trobe Asia and Associate Professor, La Trobe University, La Trobe University

Andrea Carson
Professor of Political Communication, Department of Politics, Media and Philosophy, La Trobe University

Yan Zhuang is a reporter in The New York Times's Australia bureau, based in Melbourne

They seem pretty Australian to me

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

 

[cartwright]

So when do price and Mundine share their policy proposals?

 

[Brad Goodman]

So when do price and Mundine share their policy proposals?

A new stolen generation appears to be one of them.

'No'-mentum: Coalition to 'unleash surprises' after Voice rout

An ascendant No campaign has vowed to capitalise on the defeat of the Voice referendum by pushing for an overhaul in Indigenous affairs.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[tastiger]

She’d keep it.

Why do you say that? Has she been convicted of fraud before? Or are you making stuff up?

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[Gough]

A new stolen generation appears to be one of them.

'No'-mentum: Coalition to 'unleash surprises' after Voice rout

An ascendant No campaign has vowed to capitalise on the defeat of the Voice referendum by pushing for an overhaul in Indigenous affairs.

thenewdaily.com.au

So all of these issues have only been apparent since the Coalition left office?

 

[Golden_6]

So all of these issues have only been apparent since the Coalition left office?

Asked why the Coalition had not done such a review while in power, Cash said it had not had the benefit of someone with Price’s “lived experience”.

What absolute garbage. Apparently Price is the only one with lived experience. The Coalition have certainly found their ‘Voice’ and it’s someone who will support their specific agendas.

 

[cartwright]

So all of these issues have only been apparent since the Coalition left office?

Well according to Cash:

Asked why the Coalition had not done such a review while in power, Cash said it had not had the benefit of someone with Price’s “lived experience”.

 

[cartwright]

Good time to remind people coalition were in power 21 of last 27 years.

Wasted decades.

 

[Gough]

Well according to Cash:

Asked why the Coalition had not done such a review while in power, Cash said it had not had the benefit of someone with Price’s “lived experience”.

I'd be feeling pretty insulted if I was a First Nations Liberal Party member about now and be wondering why my lived in experience was ignored while one particular member's experience is used to frame the party's entire Indigenous policy.

 

[Romeoh1]

I am starting to think “misinformation” is just a thing people say.

Codswallop.

 

[cartwright]

I'd be feeling pretty insulted if I was a First Nations Liberal Party member about now and be wondering why my lived in experience was ignored while one particular member's experience is used to frame the party's entire Indigenous policy.

Ken Wyatt must be feeling pretty flat

 

[Gough]

Ken Wyatt must be feeling pretty flat

Kerrynne Liddle's lived in experience obviously not interesting enough to be heard either.

 

[mr bagcroft]

Yes campaign screwed the pooch here.
If your going to scream bloody murder and throw the racist tag around because someone disagrees with you, well.....

 

[cartwright]

Kerrynne Liddle's lived in experience obviously not interesting enough to be heard either.

It’s also really good to create policy from 1 persons lived experience.

 

[Romeoh1]

Yes campaign screwed the pooch here.
If you’re going to scream bloody murder and throw the racist tag around because someone disagrees with you, well.....

Sure the Yes didn’t run a great campaign, but people wanted to find reasons to vote no. And they used those ‘reasons’ as a shield, but it was mostly about racism.

 

[Father Jack]

Well I do have answers.

The campaign cost $350 millions dollars, that money could have be use to directly help some of the more remote communities for starters.

On a side note Jacinta is the voice Australian needs for reconciliation and she should be in control on aboriginal funding.

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Is this the same Jacinta who claimed to represent the very people who ended up supporting the voice the most? She's certainly the voice for things staying the same, but that's about all.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

You got any evidence of that? Government funded the machinery to run the referendum, they didn’t put any money into the Yes/no cass

Albo flying all over the country promoting it for starters, and everyone else who did the same.

Thay's a lot of time and resources. None of it's free.

 

[Gough]

Is this the same Jacinta who claimed to represent the very people who ended up supporting the voice the most? She's certainly the voice for things staying the same, but that's about all.

Price is just another version of Tim Wilson, career conservative politician who's only given the time of day because they can be used to pretend that the Libs represent diversity.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I am starting to think “misinformation” is just a thing people say.

You either lack critical thinking skills, or are trolling.

Which is it?

 

[ElectricG]

You either lack critical thinking skills, or are trolling.

Which is it?

I’m right.

 

[Kyptastic]

Albo flying all over the country promoting it for starters, and everyone else who did the same.

Thay's a lot of time and resources. None of it's free.

Price wracked up over $90000 in expenses flying around the country promoting the no case, also covered by the government. Swings and roundabouts

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Price wracked up over $90000 in expenses flying around the country promoting the no case, also covered by the government. Swings and roundabouts

Hence me including the word, everyone.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Price is just another version of Tim Wilson, career conservative politician who's only given the time of day because they can be used to pretend that the Libs represent diversity.

Sounds like our failure of an Indigenous Affairs Minister.

Good to see the Yes side are turning on her. She's out of her depth. Her own electorate comfortably voted No.

 

[campbell]

Asked why the Coalition had not done such a review while in power, Cash said it had not had the benefit of someone with Price’s “lived experience”.

What absolute garbage. Apparently Price is the only one with lived experience. The Coalition have certainly found their ‘Voice’ and it’s someone who will support their specific agendas.

She knows exactly what she is doing.
Limelight, need more.