Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[T2B_]

Good point. It must depend on the region because (aside from two mates) the indigenous strangers I've randomly interacted with here in Adelaide have been polite and reasonable.

Yeah I've only met lovely indigenous folk personally.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

And the winner for most racist coverage is.....Skynews.

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People who watched Sky News more likely to have voted no in referendum, survey finds

Research conducted in the final week of the campaign gauged what people were thinking when they took to the ballot box

www.theguardian.com

Amazing that the total averages work out pretty close to referendum result.

But of course, they had nothing to do with it. It’s just a coincidence.

 

[JackOutback]

Maybe Albos should walk back his offer of not funding a voice even though the referendum failed.

Would love to see him use the race provisions in the Constitution to deliver the kind of assistance needed.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Maybe Albos should walk back his offer of not funding a voice even though the referendum failed.

Maybe Albo should talk to the Indigenous groups behind the Uluru Statement, and see what they think first.

After he respects their week of silence, of course.

 

[mr bagcroft]

I'll never understand people who show distain for the other side of an election or vote.

All they do is disenfranchise people.

I think that was another big reason the yes vote failed. You have a bunch of absolute gutter dwellers who just call everyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, which turns people off their cause, especially those on the fence.

Then they wonder why their side lost, and then flame some more because "they were racists anyway."

Just stupidity and shooting yourself in the foot personified.

I made the same point. There are clowns here who actually think this is untrue !

 

[Ice-Wolf]

'Peter Dutton has dramatically walked back his offer to symbolically recognise Indigenous Australians in the constitution.'
What a racist lying piece of trash this person is.

He did that the day after he made the offer, they just didn't highlight the walking back nearly as much as the initial offer.

 

[Toump Ass]

Maybe Albo should talk to the Indigenous groups behind the Uluru Statement, and see what they think first.

Good idea!

Close the thread, nothing to discuss here! Albos will talk to Indigenous groups behind the Uluru Statement!

 

[Romeoh1]

I'll never understand people who show distain for the other side of an election or vote.

All they do is disenfranchise people.

I think that was another big reason the yes vote failed. You have a bunch of absolute gutter dwellers who just call everyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, which turns people off their cause, especially those on the fence.

Then they wonder why their side lost, and then flame some more because "they were racists anyway."

Just stupidity and shooting yourself in the foot personified.

Codswallop.

 

[Kram]

I'll never understand people who show distain for the other side of an election or vote.

All they do is disenfranchise people.

I think that was another big reason the yes vote failed. You have a bunch of absolute gutter dwellers who just call everyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, which turns people off their cause, especially those on the fence.

Then they wonder why their side lost, and then flame some more because "they were racists anyway."

Just stupidity and shooting yourself in the foot personified.

The angry types that sit on here all day aren't your average person.

 

[Chief]

The angry types that sit on here all day aren't your average person.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

More than happy to swap benefits

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You didn't get interviewed when you exited the polling place, with your daughter in tow did you? It was on the ABCs coverage on Saturday night.

 

[Romeoh1]

Every comment you out yourself as either a racist, a fool or just an absolute %$^&%$#. You know nothing of Aboriginal people. If you think these are 1940s issues than I suggest you move out from under that rock you are hiding under. I suggest you also take a history lesson. Really sad.

I’ve put him on ignore- what’s to be gained from interacting with someone like that?

 

[Kram]

Most are also just flat out phoneys too.

 

[Chief]

How do you feel about your vote for Senate seats being worth more than mine?

Do you feel like you're more Australian than me? Like a different class of citizen?

tastiger ?

 

[Hava Alle]

Codswallop.

Recently learnt that word have we?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

tastiger ?

He’ll be back in about 83 years.

 

[Gavin Excell]

No, you are wrong and I am right.

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You read something on Facebook, posted it here which has been outed as incorrect, and now can't accept it

 

[Maggie5]

I'll never understand people who show distain for the other side of an election or vote.

All they do is disenfranchise people.

I think that was another big reason the yes vote failed. You have a bunch of absolute gutter dwellers who just call everyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, which turns people off their cause, especially those on the fence.

Then they wonder why their side lost, and then flame some more because "they were racists anyway."

Just stupidity and shooting yourself in the foot personified.

Maybe you will understand it more that if two of the loudest NO supporters didn't mention/make it about race, it wouldn't have been such an issue?

The Voice, he says (Dutton), “will permanently divide us by race” and “re-racialise” the Constitution. In Dutton’s argument, the 1967 referendum, which removed a number of racist provisions, had been a “great step towards equality” which the “Orwellian” Voice proposal undermined. All this was “sadly a symptom of the madness of identity politics which has infected the 21st century”.

At the heart of the Liberal Party’s opposition to the Indigenous Voice is the notion that it divides Australia rather than uniting it because it gives Aboriginal people rights or privileges that others do not enjoy.

Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, a Warlpiri-Celtic woman, earlier claimed the "elite proposal" would "divide our country along the lines of race".

"If you don't know, say NO". "Say NO to division" were their two mantras.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Most are also just flat out phoneys too.

Reminds me of when you used to go into bat for Murdoch everyday.

 

[Romeoh1]

Recently learnt that word have we?

Known it for awhile but getting plenty of opportunities to use it in last few days! What a good word it is.

 

[Wooden Robot]

I'll never understand people who show distain for the other side of an election or vote.

All they do is disenfranchise people.

I think that was another big reason the yes vote failed. You have a bunch of absolute gutter dwellers who just call everyone who doesn't agree with them a racist, which turns people off their cause, especially those on the fence.

Then they wonder why their side lost, and then flame some more because "they were racists anyway."

Just stupidity and shooting yourself in the foot personified.

Well spoken ... and 100% truth.
Had some nuffie Yes campaigner abuse me for not wanting to take a how to vote card from her.
I simply said ... it's simple matey, I can vote yes or no, I don't need you to tell me.
But the arrogance and rudeness.
I have accepted the vote and long moved on.
No one side had a mortgage on winning the vote, but the entitlement on show is cringeworthy.

 

[Festerz]

tastiger is going back to 1940?

Short walk forward imho.

Amazing that the total averages work out pretty close to referendum result.

But of course, they had nothing to do with it. It’s just a coincidence.

Shouldn't be too surprising as pollsters across the board were pretty consistent (and accurate) on the likely Referendum result:

YES count is currently 39.3% with under 10% of votes left to count.

Last poll predictions:

-Newspoll 39%

- Focal Data 39%

- Redbridge 38%

- Freshwater 40%

- YouGov 40%

 

[Festerz]

Well spoken ... and 100% truth.
Had some nuffie Yes campaigner abuse me for not wanting to take a how to vote card from her.
I simply said ... it's simple matey, I can vote yes or no, I don't need you to tell me.
But the arrogance and rudeness.

Reckon the person handing out YES cards you interacted with probably spent most of Sunday and laughingly recounting a story of the 'nuffie' voter that is far closer to the truth.

 

[Toump Ass]

Short walk forward imho.


Shouldn't be too surprising as pollsters across the board were pretty consistent (and accurate) on the likely Referendum result:

YES count is currently 39.3% with under 10% of votes left to count.

Last poll predictions:

-Newspoll 39%

- Focal Data 39%

- Redbridge 38%

- Freshwater 40%

- YouGov 40%

A slide of about 25% over the last year for support for a voice in parliament.

Dunno if you can blame all that on "misinformation" and sky news etc.

 

[Chief]

Had some nuffie Yes campaigner abuse me for not wanting to take a how to vote card from her.

This never happened.