Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

A little unfair to that poster IMO - from what I recall had started as undecided/ leaning no, but was convinced by (in part) posters here and other things learnt from deciding to listen and learn and changed to yes (possibly a rare example of the internet changing someones mind)

Yes I did. I don't regret it. Many are getting warped but truth is indigenous involvement in initiatives is still the preferred method just without a voice now

 

[Chief]

 

[ElectricG]

“Weaponise child sexual abuse” what?

 

[JackFlash]

Can't have high life expectancy with all the poison food and vaccines/medication the govt pushes. Aboriginals most likely lived 100+years before they were exposed to western "food" and "medicine".

The fruit is falling early this season...

 

[Ghost Patrol]

“Weaponise child sexual abuse” what?

Why is Dutton singling out Indigenous communities when we know sexual abuse is a problem across society, especially in the religious communities?

Do you think he is racist?

 

[Gough]

Abbott being helpful.

 

[ElectricG]

Why is Dutton singling out Indigenous communities when we know sexual abuse is a problem across society, especially in the religious communities?

Do you think he is racist?

I dunno, but unless Dutton himself is doing the child abuse then that’s not him weaponising child sexual abuse lol.

 

[Gough]

I dunno, but unless Dutton himself is doing the child abuse then that’s not him weaponising child sexual abuse lol.

Why is he singling out the Indigenous community specifically when child abuse is an issue right across the board?

 

[Vindicater]

I dunno, but unless Dutton himself is doing the child abuse then that’s not him weaponising child sexual abuse lol.

Why does he only care about indigenous child abuse when the stats show us it happens everywhere?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I dunno, but unless Dutton himself is doing the child abuse then that’s not him weaponising child sexual abuse lol.

So is he weaponising race, sexual abuse or both?

 

[Kram]

“Weaponise child sexual abuse” what?

That wallaby would fit in around here beautifully.

 

[1990crow]

Abbott being helpful.
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The Liberal party is extremely racist. It's clear.

 

[Engimal v3]

Abbott being helpful.
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Fly both or change it. Regardless of your political views, surely anyone could acknowledge that forcing the Union Jack on our Indigenous people is a bit tasteless.

 

[1990crow]

I dunno, but unless Dutton himself is doing the child abuse then that’s not him weaponising child sexual abuse lol.

That's a dumb thing to say.

 

[ElectricG]

Why does he only care about indigenous child abuse when the stats show us it happens everywhere?

I would like to see the stats please. Obviously it happens everywhere, but I take it that your stats show that there is no unique or especially bad problem in indigenous communities with child sexual abuse.

 

[1990crow]

Fly both or change it. Regardless of your political views, surely anyone could acknowledge that forcing the Union Jack on our Indigenous people is a bit tasteless.

Racists love to kick natives down.

 

[Kram]

I would like to see the stats please. Obviously it happens everywhere, but I take it that your stats show that there is no unique or especially bad problem in indigenous communities with child sexual abuse.

Dude, why even waste your time lmao.

 

[Gough]

Racists love to kick natives down.

It's Birth of a Nation shit. If Dutton could don black face and chase white children to make the point he would.

 

[faible]

Abbott being helpful.
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I agree. We should do away with the Australian flag that's mostly a British flag and come up with something new that represents all Australian people. Then there's no need to fly different flags.

Well argued Tony.

 

[Kram]

It's hard not to throw up in my mouth a little bit when you see the disgusting bloke responsible for one if the most racist personal attacks ever go around throwing the accusation.

 

[faible]

I would like to see the stats please. Obviously it happens everywhere, but I take it that your stats show that there is no unique or especially bad problem in indigenous communities with child sexual abuse.

Unless they're also going after the Church, it seems somewhat suspicious to only target Aboriginal communities. Almost like it's not about the child abuse at all.

 

[phantom13]

I dunno, but unless Dutton himself is doing the child abuse then that’s not him weaponising child sexual abuse lol.

Weaponinsing is the right word, politicizing would also be correct.

 

[mcnulty]

Unless they're also going after the Church, it seems somewhat suspicious to only target Aboriginal communities. Almost like it's not about the child abuse at all.

They did go after the Church

 

[burge13]

I agree. We should do away with the Australian flag that's mostly a British flag and come up with something new that represents all Australian people. Then there's no need to fly different flags.

Well argued Tony.

Imagine the shitfight getting people to agree to this

 

[schneebly111]

Fly both or change it. Regardless of your political views, surely anyone could acknowledge that forcing the Union Jack on our Indigenous people is a bit tasteless.

I agree that we should only fly one official Australian flag. But if you think that current piece of rubbish with another country’s flag occupying 25% of it is acceptable then get stuffed.

Come up with a design for an actual Australian flag, or in the interim fly the other 2 as they are at least 100% Australian.