Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Not Important]

what low-life political and disgraces the prominent liberals are today. menzies would turn in his grave.

 

[Swan4Life]

What is it supposed to be? I got about 30 seconds in.

Satire and Humour.

Not something the left do well.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Satire and Humour.

Not something the left do well.

Did you subscribe to Pauline’s mailing list?

 

[mcnulty]

So in your (paranoid) assessment, Gillard went after the CC

Paranoid? I have family members who were victims of the CC. I was all for it. But at least you’re admitting the CC was a target, which really shouldn’t have to be pointed out.

“If Dutton was genuine, or wanted to appear that way, he would have called for a RC into child sexual abuse, with no qualifications. End of story.”

This is just silly. Gillard didn’t call for an RC into child sexual abuse with no qualifications either. If she did, presumably the issue in indigenous communities would already have been addressed.

How on earth would you manage something like that? There has to be some sort of terms of reference.

 

[Vindicater]

Satire and Humour.

Not something the left do well.

I got your joke here didn't I?

 

[carloss]

what low-life political and disgraces the prominent liberals are today. menzies would turn in his grave.

You actually think it was The Advertiser?

 

[Romeoh1]

what low-life political and disgraces the prominent liberals are today. menzies would turn in his grave.

Wow- what is wrong with that guy? Creepy Abbott. Dinosaur.

 

[Toump Ass]

Abbott, lol. Embarrassing.

 

[phantom13]

what low-life political and disgraces the prominent liberals are today. menzies would turn in his grave.

To be fair, we opened the door to this shit when we voted on Saturday.

 

[Kram]

Tones just doesn't like the Indigenous flag because it is complete awesome compared to the crappy Australian one.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

More than a hundred First Nations advocacy groups and organisations have banded together to oppose Peter Dutton’s calls for a royal commission into the abuse of Indigenous children, accusing the opposition of “political point-scoring” and “demonising” communities.

Guardian

 

[Maddo11]

Tones just doesn't like the Indigenous flag because it is complete awesome compared to the crappy Australian one.

You're half correct, the indigenous flag is better.

The reason he doesn't like it is he's a racist old fossil, a decrepit old monarchist

 

[ElectricG]

You're half correct, the indigenous flag is better.

The reason he doesn't like it is he's a racist old fossil, a decrepit old monarchist

Why’s it better?

 

[phantom13]

Why’s it better?

Personally I think it looks better and has a better connection to our country and story.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

When is someone in the Labor Party going to come out and call Dutton a racist? Are they going to continue to allow him to act in this way?

 

[Festerz]

More than a hundred First Nations advocacy groups and organisations have banded together to oppose Peter Dutton’s calls for a royal commission into the abuse of Indigenous children, accusing the opposition of “political point-scoring” and “demonising” communities.

Guardian

And this is in a week when a large chunk of Indigenous groups are observing a vow of silence after the Referendum.

That Price ignored this request from Indigenous leaders and chose to play politics again with Indigenous lives so soon after a Referendum where Indigenous communities overwhelmingly voted YES shows what a treacherous stain she and her LNP mates are on Indigenous relations.

 

[Father Jack]

Why’s it better?

It's 100% Australian

 

[Festerz]

When is someone in the Labor Party going to come out and call Dutton a racist?

They already have - with compassion, evidence and facts rather than political mudslinging.

Why draw attention to the racist attention seeker - whose only goal is to seek short term political capital from a Referendum result and what he thinks is Australia's racist underbelly? That would only add to the pile on with Indigenous Australians being the target yet again.

Everyone who matters know what game Mr 31% is playing right now and the polls show the Liberals are as far away from being in government than they have been at any time in the past 12 years.

There will be a time when Dutton and Price will be called to account for their shameful bile. With the next State and Federal election a year away, now is not a time to join him and Price in the garbage tip.

 

[mcnulty]

Our flag’s shit. But then we commemorate our soldiers with a colossal military blunder and celebrate our national day on the date of the opening of a penal colony. And our anthem is diabolical. So maybe it’s apt.

There are some decent designs out there that would be a decent compromise, but no chance of that.

 

[Maddo11]

Why’s it better?

We can talk about the meaning behind it, the fact it's actually an Australian design and doesn't have the colonial link in the union jack etc etc but a flags main design philosophy should be to be quickly and easily distinguishable. Anyone not from these parts could easily confuse the Australian flag for NZ'ds or even Cook Islands.

What could the Indigenous flag be confused for? Purely from a design POV it's 10/10

 

[Chief]

If she did, presumably the issue in indigenous communities would already have been addressed.

It seems these issues are addressed in ongoing processes. Just search and read.

Did you mean "solved"? Given the levels of substantiated claims are lower than in other communities do you think maybe it is being solved in some respects?

 

[mcnulty]

It seems these issues are addressed in ongoing processes. Just search and read.

Did you mean "solved"? Given the levels of substantiated claims are lower than in other communities do you think maybe it is being solved in some respects?

It was (or should be) clear I was referring to the Gillard RC which did not include indigenous communities as it was not in the terms of reference. Nor should it have been. In specific response to a poster suggesting everything be looked at once.

Get it?

 

[Festerz]

“Weaponise child sexual abuse” what?

That would be a term coined by a Federal Liberal MP...

 

[ElectricG]

That would be a term coined by a Federal Liberal MP...

Well there ya go hey

 

[Vindicater]

Why’s it better?

Because it does not have another flag on it.