Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

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• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I don't think that matters. BigFooty has always let both sides have their say. There was even a conservative board for a while.

I think there's enough prominent right-wing posters here to say that this forum doesn't moderate on political leanings.

Hahaha come on now. Big Footy has ran a 1984-esque censorship regime against Central and right view points since Donald Trumps election.

 

[Gralin]

Celebrating? Not at all. Happy that we live in a time all the major endorsements of companies, sports leagues, celebs and politicians mean jack s**t anymore... good.

This was an absolute s**t show due to Albo's arrogance. A referendum needs to be united not a party war. He absolutely botched this.

Albo didn't make it a party war why are you blaming him for that

 

[Tyrohad]

What is wrong with that? Door knocking is a part of every campaign.

Why do you think it was wrong for people to do it this time?

You don't see a problem with door knocking and asking if Indigenous residents resided on the property or in the area and then leaving if the answer was no?

Never seen that question pop up during election at all.

I thought the consensus was 80% of Indigenous voters were voting 'yes' . Why did they need 'yes' campaigners visiting their houses?

 

[Kram]

The lie was that the Voice was some secret, powerful stealth bomber that would lay waste to suburban back yards.

It was no lie that many people DO want to see more land returned to indigenous people, better policing, better options over incarceration.

But the voice was not an automatic veto or law-making body as the regressive no campaign made it out to be.

I honestly wonder what it takes to get put in for a prison stay, the bloke that was down the road from me has a list of offences the length of the Nullarbor yet somehow manages to avoid it.

Just charged and into court every couple of months, rinse and repeat.

 

[Chief]

Celebrating? Not at all. Happy that we live in a time all the major endorsements of companies, sports leagues, celebs and politicians mean jack s**t anymore... good.

So... Price and Mundine.... ?

This was an absolute s**t show due to Albo's arrogance. A referendum needs to be united not a party war. He absolutely botched this.

Dutton's coalition decided this was their chance to get more seats in parliament.

This is pretty much accepted, and admitted by the No campaign. It wasn't some independent response, it was an LNP attack strategy.

This is established fact.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It was an election promise. If he hadn't initiated the referendum, you'd be complaining about broken promises.

Labor and breaking electing promises go hand in hand. Odd that this was the hill Alabanese chose to die on.

 

[Chief]

You don't see a problem with door knocking and asking if Indigenous residents resided on the property or in the area and then leaving if the answer was no?

Why do you think talking to indigenous people was bad?

Never seen that question pop up during election at all.

I thought the consensus was 80% of Indigenous voters were voting 'yes' . Why did they need 'yes' campaigners visiting their houses?

You would have a point if the claim was 100% of indigenous people were voting yes.

Why is it wrong to reach out to indigenous people?

 

[Tyrohad]

How? I mean, the Yes campaign was expected to explain everything in details, so let us know the details of this "death of big primary industries".

After the results?

Primary industries rely on certainty not future speculation.

 

[Chief]

Labor and breaking electing promises go hand in hand. Odd that this was the hill Alabanese chose to die on.

Maybe because it was the right thing to do, and it was a plan the LNP initiated and supported from the start?

 

[sherb]

In this context racially divisive means why should someone else get something and I get nothing?

The Howard legacy.

 

[Chief]

After the results?

Primary industries rely on certainty not future speculation.

They are not so fragile that they can't allow for an indigenous voice to parliament.

That's ridiculous.

What's the real reason you want to make us think big primary industries would have been killed by the voice?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

That poster is off their bonce. Pay no mind

Oh don't worry. I know that.

 

[Chief]

It's true where I live. Indigenous voters were targeted by door knockers from the 'yes' campaign.

Wait - my bad for missing this: The AEC is not the Yes campaign.

 

[Tyrohad]

Why do you think talking to indigenous people was bad?



You would have a point if the claim was 100% of indigenous people were voting yes.

Why is it wrong to reach out to indigenous people?

Because in an area where there's a small percentage of Indigenous voters in the voting population, you'd think everyone would be targetted no?

I don't get why people are asking questions about what went wrong etc and then throwing labels like racism etc when shit like what I witnessed happened. Did the 'yes' campaigners forget that everyone had a say and not just Indigenous people?

If you still can't read between the lines, I'm implying that maybe this was done to help skewer the percentage to the claimed 80%, as I see no logical reason whatsoever of just targeting Indigenous voters.

 

[Toump Ass]

Why does swear filter change toump a-s-s to toump a-r-s-e here?

this is very denigrating, especially as a black person in a thread about racial equality.

 

[kirky]

So... Price and Mundine.... ?


Dutton's coalition decided this was their chance to get more seats in parliament.

This is pretty much accepted, and admitted by the No campaign. It wasn't some independent response, it was an LNP attack strategy.

This is established fact.

Really? Which seats are they likely to pick up? The low socio-demographic seats aren’t likely to switch to the Coalition. They might have voted No but they do know the Coalition don’t look after their interests.

The Teal seats aren’t likely to switch either and now Bradfield is in the firing line for the Teals.

The Coalition can’t get any stronger in Qld, Vic hates Dutton and not sure NSW likes him either.

 

[Jimi]

Some interesting analysis on the vote by electorate - majority No voting seats tended to be less educated and poorer, except for it seems in some remote Indigenous communities that voted majority Yes based on the data currently available.

Interestingly (depressingly), nearly every electorate that voted No also voted No the the 1999 referendum.

 

[Chief]

Really? Which seats are they likely to pick up? The low socio-demographic seats aren’t likely to switch to the Coalition. They might have voted No but they do know the Coalition don’t look after their interests.

The Teal seats aren’t likely to switch either and now Bradfield is in the firing line for the Teals.

The Coalition can’t get any stronger in Qld, Vic hates Dutton and not sure NSW likes him either.

I don't have a list. What other reason would there be to run the no campaign in order to damage Labor? To make Labor pollies feel a bit bad?

Of course it was for votes and more seats.

Here's LNP agent Andrew Bolt calling for Albanese to resign, and ignoring that this was a LNP plan. He also goes over many of Dutton's No campaigner lies about the constitution as it stands:

 

[Roby]

A misinformed population has voted ‘No’ on the back of some fear of creating an imaginary greater division and some nonsense about permanent constitutional ickiness. You can sort of accept that we might see a marginal victory to the ‘No’ contingency based on this misinformation but the QLD vote really stands out as an outlier. I think that when your vote is so skewed in the negative you have to wonder if a major part of that result is reflective of a racism that permeates that state.

And I was disappointingly surprised by the SA vote too. They tried very hard to keep up with the rednecks up north.

Everyone complains they hate politicians, that the government sucks, that they don't listen properly.

The one time we had the opportunity to amend the constitution to change the way we govern.... Nah **** that

 

[Tyrohad]

They are not so fragile that they can't allow for an indigenous voice to parliament.

That's ridiculous.

What's the real reason you want to make us think big primary industries would have been killed by the voice?

Are ag and mining industries occurring in the air or on the land? Why the **** do you think the mining magnates were in the No camp?

We have communities that are built and propped up by mines and farms. You really think a voice that has a say on the resource (land) they use won't affect these industries and trickle down to the communities?

 

[Chief]

Are ag and mining industries occurring in the air or on the land? Why the * do you think the mining magnates were in the No camp?

We have communities that are built and propped up by mines and farms. You really think a voice that has a say on the resource (land) they use won't affect these industries and trickle down to the communities?

How will the voice KILL BIG PRIMARY INDUSTRY?

Give us details, not this wishy washy stuff.

Details please.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I don't think that matters. BigFooty has always let both sides have their say. There was even a conservative board for a while.

I think there's enough prominent right-wing posters here to say that this forum doesn't moderate on political leanings.

Get in touch when you are free. I've got a bridge to sell you

 

[Crankyhawk]

You all were being told this all along but you rejected it as nonsense.

at a personal level I don't believe I was told that

the ones who were being told, direct it to them as I have no influence over their behaviour or posting style

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Get in touch when you are free. I've got a bridge to sell you

You still here, Righty? WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN BANNED YET?

Chief, please ban Better Loosen Up. His presence is upsetting the left wing paradise we're all obviously enjoying here.

 

[Chief]

You know what Dutton is calling for now?

• Audit money spent on indigenous programs.
• Royal Commission into child abuse in indigenous communities.

Why is it that NOW he's all about treating indigenous people differently? Dividing the country by race?

Shouldn't he be calling for these things for ALL Australians?

Anybody?