Maybe from the quality of the blokes running beside him.
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Revising the 2006 draft, where do people place Gibbs in terms of potential?
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Maybe from the quality of the blokes running beside him.
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I'm not sure that theory really applies, when he gets so much of his own ball. Can someone explain this theory to me?
How can he be more protected than Gibbs, when he has been thrown straight into the midfield? Because he hasn't been tagged hard? Has Gibbs?
If this is on how they are playing right now, incredibly wrong, but if its about potential, I think first three about right. Hawkins hasn't really shown much to convince me, Gumbleton has played three games so no idea there, Hansen & Thorp ditto, Grigg isn't fantastic. Really hard to tell yet. In regards to the protected thing, Gibbs is no different to Selwood, Ablett/Bartel/Corey are the three before Selwood, but Judd/Stevens/Murphy before Gibbs show Gibbs clearly has good support in the midfield.
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Cooney averaged 9 posseions a game in his first year and is now in the top few players in the AFL. I rate him the 3rd best mid after Ablett and Judd. Enough said.
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Well, here's an example. Des Headland played his first year with Brisbane and looked like a million dollars playing with the likes of Voss, Black, Lappin, Aker, Brown, lynch, Johnson, Pike etc etc.. Similar to Selwood with Geelong. He then went over to Freo, a no name team and becomes an average player. I am not saying Selwood is average because he is not, but Gibbs was playing with a bunch of kids that got smashed week in week out. Selwood like Des was playing with a hardened group of players that dominated games . Place Gibbs in either of those sides and he would do the same. Hope that helps put things in perspective for you.
Headland always looked like a downhill skier with polish. Going to Freo showed his mental state.
Selwood will be a gun for years (excluding injury).
And as for these threads - why? Why don't we assess the performance of the 2008 draftees - its about as useful.
THe draft we should judge is 98 - ten years on - how ahve they faired - the crap are gone and only the good remain.
Voss, Hird and Buckley also had a high level of maturity but did not seem to limit their scope for improvement.
i can't understand some of the criticism being thrown at selwood just because he plays for geelong.
yes, it is a massive advantage for him to be playing in the best midfield in the comp but to compare him to headland is laughable. they're two completely different types of players.
selwood would have won last year's rising star award even if he played for a basketcase like richmond. the way he goes about his footy he doesn't need to have superstars around him, but it helps that he does.
i've said thsi many times before i'll say it again, it's not purely coincidence that selwood came in to the geelong side and they became a much better unit. he helps the likes of ablett, bartel, corey, ling, kelly almost as much as they help him. he is constantly feeding the pill out to them as well. he is a footballer's footballer.
imo he has easily been the best performed from his draft till date and i believe he would have been regardless of what club he plays for. yes, i believe bryce gibsb will overtake him but that's hardly a criticism. imo selwood will be the 2nd best midfielder from this draft and could easily win a brownlow one day. love watching him play, it's a breath of fresh air to see a 20 y.o. go about his footy the way he does.
yes, it is a massive advantage for him to be playing in the best midfield in the comp but to compare him to headland is laughable. they're two completely different types of players.
selwood would have won last year's rising star award even if he played for a basketcase like richmond. the way he goes about his footy he doesn't need to have superstars around him, but it helps that he does.
i've said thsi many times before i'll say it again, it's not purely coincidence that selwood came in to the geelong side and they became a much better unit. he helps the likes of ablett, bartel, corey, ling, kelly almost as much as they help him. he is constantly feeding the pill out to them as well. he is a footballer's footballer.
imo he has easily been the best performed from his draft till date and i believe he would have been regardless of what club he plays for. yes, i believe bryce gibsb will overtake him but that's hardly a criticism. imo selwood will be the 2nd best midfielder from this draft and could easily win a brownlow one day. love watching him play, it's a breath of fresh air to see a 20 y.o. go about his footy the way he does.
Selwod would have succeeded at any club. Tough and hard at the footy.
He was one of those kids that came into the AFL with a mans body and this enabled him to match it straight away.
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Spot the difference between POTENTIAL and PREFORMANCE. Note they are two different words, with different meanings.
Oh great, lets write off a KPP in his second year. If you are going to rate a player PURELY over how he preformed in his first two years, well there is no hope for you sir.
I would ask you NOT to post in threads relating to younger players. you clearly have no clue, or a large chip on your shoulder.
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There are so many things wrong in this thread that I can't be bothered pointing them out, but let me put my 2 cents worth in:
Gibbs will be a player, no doubt. Will he be the best of this draft when all have finished their careers? I doubt it.
On all probability, Selwood will be the highest achiever from this draft. He came into the league as a skinny kid, and contributed from day 1. No other player in this draft can say this. And when their careers are judged at the end, all of their games are counted. That's right, even the one's at the start. You can't just say "only the games after they hit 50 count when judging a player". Selwood has such a head start in regards performances to date over any other player in this draft, that other players will have to turn into absolute superstars to pass him if he continues at any decent level of development (which I believe he will, he has already stepped up his game this year as he has started to grow into his body and gain confidence).
I have not seen enough of Gumbleton, Hansen or Leuenberger to make any meaningful judgements on them. But Gumbleton's and Hansen's injury histories would worry me if I was an Essendon or NM supporter. Who knows what these big guys will become? KPP/Ruckman are a bit of a lottery and it is doubtful that you will see meaningful contributions from any of them in the forseeable future. By that stage, Selwood will have lapped the field.
Yes, I understand that I just sound like another biased Geelong fan getting overly excited about Selwood (and this may well be true), but I truly believe that at the end of his career, we will be talking about Selwood in reverential terms. The kid is that good.
Gibbs will be a player, no doubt. Will he be the best of this draft when all have finished their careers? I doubt it.
On all probability, Selwood will be the highest achiever from this draft. He came into the league as a skinny kid, and contributed from day 1. No other player in this draft can say this. And when their careers are judged at the end, all of their games are counted. That's right, even the one's at the start. You can't just say "only the games after they hit 50 count when judging a player". Selwood has such a head start in regards performances to date over any other player in this draft, that other players will have to turn into absolute superstars to pass him if he continues at any decent level of development (which I believe he will, he has already stepped up his game this year as he has started to grow into his body and gain confidence).
I have not seen enough of Gumbleton, Hansen or Leuenberger to make any meaningful judgements on them. But Gumbleton's and Hansen's injury histories would worry me if I was an Essendon or NM supporter. Who knows what these big guys will become? KPP/Ruckman are a bit of a lottery and it is doubtful that you will see meaningful contributions from any of them in the forseeable future. By that stage, Selwood will have lapped the field.
Yes, I understand that I just sound like another biased Geelong fan getting overly excited about Selwood (and this may well be true), but I truly believe that at the end of his career, we will be talking about Selwood in reverential terms. The kid is that good.
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I can sense that your not a biased Geelong supporter but you clearly missed the biggest point in comparing Selwood to Gibbs or Boak.
Selwood has a Brownlow Medalist, this years raging hot Brownlow Medalist favourite, best tagger in the comp, Top 5 leading possession gatherer, arguably the second best ruck and at least half a dozen unsung heroes playing alongside him. Selwood can do whatever he wants in the team and still hardly get noticed by the opposition.
Gibbs has a bunch of youngens around him with an odd bloke named Judd. Boak also has a bunch of outstanding players around him but as last years GF proved, they are no where near their Geelong counterparts.
"Selwood has lapped the field?" Replace the name Selwood with Judd and do you see the same logic??? Slowly the Hodges, Mitchells, Dal Santos, etc will emerge and although their can be no argument as who whose numero uno, lapping the field is abit rich.
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Gumbleton has MORE POTENTIAL than Boak. If you can believe that of course.
And Boak is second from the lead after the first corner of the Melbourne Cup. We'll see who comes first past the post.
Smyth94
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Firstly, every draft pick is a lottery.
Gumbleton's injuries are purely a result of him not having the body to play CHF. He came to the club very skinny and still growing in height and now stands almost at 200cm - His hamstrings were an issue but since he has stopped growing, the Essendon medical staff have been able to address his hamstring issues.
His other injury set backs have been simply down to pure unluckiness.
I may be a bit biased but I have seen him move around (albiet at VFL level) after a long lay off and he just looks a class above the rest and once he gets some meat on his bones then IMO he will become a very formidable forward
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Horrible, horrible comparison.
Headland was a polished outside midfielder who was always going to look a million dollars with Voss and Black getting him the footy, and then look poor when he had average mids trying to feed him.
Joel Selwood is the absolute definition of an inside mid who wins his own footy.
He doesn't rely on anyone to get him the footy,
unlike Headland, which makes the comparison a poor one.
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Regardless of what you think of the quality of the midfields (btw many Carlton supporters have argued that their midfield is as good as anyones), Gibbs is still their 4th or 5th option (just as Selwood is for us).
Playing behind Judd, Stevens, Murphy and Carazzo isn't exactly the toughest gig in footy.
It may be as good as playing behind Ablett, Bartel, Corey and Ling, but it doesn't change the fact that both players are their clubs 5th choice midfielder.
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Idiots think that Selwood isnt the best player in the 06 draft. He wins his own ball inside and uses it with class. Gibbs is going to be a star but I don't think he is any near the quality of Selwood
Why bother ??? You are just a biased cats fan with no credibility whatsoever...you have a "feeling" doesn't really inspire anyone to believe a word you typed .
It's the vibe of the thing
Who knows which player will be the best out of the 2006 draft..only time will tell.
What about a comparison with Kerr. Hasn't been anywhere near as good this year without Judd and Cousins, and he is the very definition of an inside mid.
Kerr and Selwood are both excellent players, but they do look better due to the quality they have around them.
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How can you make such a statement about Selwood given his entire AFL career has been surrounded by 'the quality' around him?
If he struggles when our star midfielders leave the game, then it'll be fair enough to label him like Kerr in that regard, but right now it's just guesswork with the intention of downplaying Selwood's incredible career to date.
Good point you make. Fev clearly the best!
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Why bother ??? You are just a biased cats fan with no credibility whatsoever...you have a "feeling" doesn't really inspire anyone to believe a word you typed .
It's the vibe of the thing
Who knows which player will be the best out of the 2006 draft..only time will tell.
Have you seen the line of Carlton supporters predicting Gibbs will be the best, with nothing but hope and a feeling?
Hope and a feeling? Who has been better than him so far in 2008?
Selwood, and maybe Houli are the others from 06 performing to a similar level, but no objective observer could say either have been clearly better.
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