Autopsy Round 1, 2021 = Pies 53-69 Dogs

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Also... Pendles was not HTB

 

[spartan-magpie]

Every club in the league would know they could take us for a ride at the trade table.

I believe that’s why Graeme Wright has been hired.

 

[Drought Break]

Is it true that in last years horrible fire sale that we gave away this years 1st round pick also?. Thats going to be a high pick at this stage.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

They kicked the first three goals and won by 18 points. Not all is lost. We can tidy up disposal and delivery, get a bit more luck with some umpiring, and recover from here.

But we are definitely in a mini rebuild phase, so need to persist with as many "under 30 game players" as possible to get them up to speed with the requiremnets of the job.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Is it true that in last years horrible fire sale that we gave away this years 1st round pick also?. Thats going to be a high pick at this stage.

We did that because we will be getting Nick Daicos.

If we kept it, we would have been forced to use it on him. By trading it (and making sure we have enough points), we are still about to get him and were able to utilise it in a trade. It's probably a little more complex than that, but close enough.

Daicos is expected to go in the top few.

 

[nahnah]

Is it true that in last years horrible fire sale that we gave away this years 1st round pick also?. Thats going to be a high pick at this stage.

Yes it was a terribly short sighted move. We like to double down on our mistakes

 

[Anzacday]

Also... Pendles was not HTB

IQ was tackled in the last, (didn’t get his boot to the ball either) and not pinged.
The umpire put his arms in the air when explaining to Pendles.
My reading of that was he determined Pendles had prior op i.e, raised the ball above his head instead of disposing of it.

 

[Gaben]

Retiring in 2-3 years might be a good outcome. If we have to retain a league-average ruckman on our list for 7 years at that price, it could kill us.

Although, if Bucks goes perhaps a new coach could use his strengths and treat him as the extra midfielder he is, instead of Aaron Sandilands.

Don't we then have to pay him out though ala Dayne Beams?

God our list management is just an absolute shambles at the moment.

 

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IQ was tackled in the last, (didn’t get his boot to the ball either) and not pinged.
The umpire put his arms in the air when explaining to Pendles.
My reading of that was he determined Pendles had prior op i.e, raised the ball above his head instead of disposing of it.

He didn't though. He picked it up attempted to kick it straight away. No prior. Same thing as what happened to Stephenson on ANZAC day. Technically not HTB.

They kicked a goal from that free kick

 

[nahnah]

Well all my concerns during the off-season are very much still present after round 1:
- traded out good players for unders
- traded our first pick before knowing just how high it would be, so basically traded it for unders too
- didn’t recruit a single forward that can help this year
- same coach = same poor game plan

New concerns:
- the midfield looks worse than I imagined and I was well aware of the disconnect between the ruckman and the rovers beforehand
- tackling, it’s hard to believe they actually practice this based on last night and the preseason game
- overall skills, looks like this team could give the 2014-17 a run for their money with the genuine circus act they put on last night

 

[Cadillac]

We did that because we will be getting Nick Daicos.

If we kept it, we would have been forced to use it on him. By trading it (and making sure we have enough points), we are still about to get him and were able to utilise it in a trade. It's probably a little more complex than that, but close enough.

Daicos is expected to go in the top few.

Yep. It’s what the dogs ended up doing knowing they had to match a bid for Ugle-Hagan

 

[nahnah]

Yep. It’s what the dogs ended up doing knowing they had to match a bid for Ugle-Hagan

Except we did it a year early before knowing where our pick + Daicos actually stood in the draft

 

[domin8tors]

They missed a couple of set shots from 20 out.. just going to overlook that? Did they not drop marks in their 50?

We're sh*t

we also had 2 more scoring shots. then they did. so if we are bad.. then they must be really really bad. like i said i don't think we are contenders but I don't think we as bad as people are making out we are 7-10..

 

[Frank Grimes]

To think we had salary cap pressure with this lineup, fmd. I’ve never bagged Grundy, but he’s going to create huge interval rifts with his contract and performances

With the money Grundy is on would his contract have KPI's for him to achieve? I'm not too sure hiw player contracts work.

With that kind of coin surely the club would want to have some certainty he's going to perform to some kind of minimum standard.

 

[Captain Embubry]

Last night was a timely reminder of why i handed back my membership after 12 years last year. Entire club reeks of incompetence from the top down right now. We've had the same issues year in year out and have failed to address them year in year out. The fact that so many of us were unsurprised at the performance we laid out last night speaks volumes of the clubs inability to address holes.

- We've done nothing significant about our forward line since Cloke left
- We've not drafted anyone who's made an immediate impact to the team since DeGoey while Richmond blood kids picked in the 20-50 range who just slot straight into the system seamlessly
- We've clearly not addressed Grundys glaring weakness in hit outs to advantage, yet we spent $7m to keep him
- We have the same cultural problems causing distractions every year
- We've kept the same board and same coaching panel and same incompetent list management for years who have delivered us absolutely nothing

In essence, we're going backwards in every way as quick as any club in the league and don't seem to have a plan to reverse the trend.

Apologies for the uber-negativity, rant over.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Well was great to be back watching live footy at the G.....
Not sure what was more concerning, our performance at times or the Bulldogs inability to completely smash us, despite really dominating across the ground.
Thank god for D Moore, you just watch him pack mark, and think, would love to see him up forward. The perfect addition to our squad, would’ve been Alir Alir. Have him playing back, whilst moving Moore forward. Can only dream!
Can we keep Daicos as a wingman. His strength is his ability to use the footy, on both feet. I would be using him as our outrider, delivering the ball inside F50. Our inability to hit a lone or leading target last night was growingly frustrating.
Grundy, l am hoping that's not the form line for 2021. Just seems bereft of confidence and desire. Not sure what is going on there, but we need to see him lift his efforts ten fold. I would have had Cox play majority ruck, as l think he is the better tap ruckman.
We had our opportunities last night, but made some poor decisions with disposal, and just footy smarts. DeGoey playing on and snapping the point, whilst we had the free kick 15 metres out. Pendles dropped mark in the forward pocket. Just straight through the arms!
Not sure we need to bring in Cameron next week for Carlton, as they have Pittonet and Casboult, as their rucks, l believe. Grundy, however, would need to pull his finger out, and l would use Cox more in the ruck next week. We could have Ruscoe out, Cameron in. I would also look at Macrae and McCreery, for mid and forward line roles, along with Sidey back.
Not sure we can guarantee WHE a game anymore, Ruscoe may have to make way, but l would give Henry another opportunity.
We do have improvement in us, Grundy, DeGoey (could have kicked 3), Daicos, Sier, Adams all had poor games. On top of that, we had a few that were just complete non factors.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I am not normally in the business of defending bigoted Collingwood fans but saying Q harry O is a pretty mild case.

They have similar play style and roles. Harry was a good player.

I don't think you are allowed to say Harry. I believe that is meant to be racist. Irrespective of any thoughts I may have on Lumumba as a person, and unable to find the source of the racism in this thread, my only comment would be that Lumumba had far more presence with his size and run than Quaynor in the backline. My only other thought is that I was concerned to read that there is an off-field connection between the two. In any case, I don't think we have found the right spot for Quaynor in the backline. Though he obviously has skills as an intercept player able to run the ball, he looks loose and sometimes physically ineffectual in defence.

 

[doppleganger]

Last night was a timely reminder of why i handed back my membership after 12 years last year. Entire club reeks of incompetence from the top down right now. We've had the same issues year in year out and have failed to address them year in year out. The fact that so many of us were unsurprised at the performance we laid out last night speaks volumes of the clubs inability to address holes.

- We've done nothing significant about our forward line since Cloke left
- We've not drafted anyone who's made an immediate impact to the team since DeGoey while Richmond blood kids picked in the 20-50 range who just slot straight into the system seamlessly
- We've clearly not addressed Grundys glaring weakness in hit outs to advantage, yet we spent $7m to keep him
- We have the same cultural problems causing distractions every year
- We've kept the same board and same coaching panel and same incompetent list management for years who have delivered us absolutely nothing

In essence, we're going backwards in every way as quick as any club in the league and don't seem to have a plan to reverse the trend.

Apologies for the uber-negativity, rant over.

Good on you for sticking fat when the club isn't going well.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

we also had 2 more scoring shots. then they did. so if we are bad.. then they must be really really bad. like i said i don't think we are contenders but I don't think we as bad as people are making out we are 7-10..

The outcome is what it is re.. but to say had we had more luck.. had the pill not hit the post a few times.. had we clunked a few more. and then just leave it at that.. just doesn't make sense to me.. there's an opposition side out there as well..

 

[ottoman]

The outcome is what it is re.. but to say had we had more luck.. had the pill not hit the post a few times.. had we clunked a few more. and then just leave it at that.. just doesn't make sense to me.. there's an opposition side out there as well..

Yep.
People talk about "if such and such had not missed or if so and so had not dropped a mark etc"
But they forget that the opposition can say the same thing.
Obviously you articulate it much better than me because you're a f**n great re.

 

[Captain Embubry]

Good on you for sticking fat when the club isn't going well.

Each to their own mate. For me, its more about my personal values and beliefs no longer aligning with that of Collingwood's, and losing belief in the direction of the club.

I believe that financially supporting a system i believe to be broken only encourages complacency.

 

[Maggie5]

I am not normally in the business of defending bigoted Collingwood fans but saying Q harry O is a pretty mild case.

They have similar play style and roles. Harry was a good player.

Unlike other boards (including your team), we do not have 'No Opposition Supporters' threads however I think unless you have a comment on the game, you have had a fair go on our board and perhaps it is time you gave it a rest on what is and what is not about race/Hertier.

 

[loki04]

It is quite naive for people here to have expected anything else while the club had been doing the same things year after year looking for a different result. We will lose many games this year as the competition have improved while we have gone backwards.

This is the legacy of Ed and his boys club over the last decade. Since the succession plan it has been debacle after debacle. That plan also ensured that we weren't able to be a powerful force for at least 2-3 years, which we were quite capable of.

When will we realise that we need a power forward, that Grundy deal was pure lunacy and our midfield is terrible, coaches included. We were at least competitive when assistant coaches like Longmuir was with us, not anymore.

In a way this is good as it will at least force the club to make the changes that will be needed for us to go ahead starting with the head coach and that idiot of a list manager. The sooner this happens the better for the club. Hope at least people stop whitewashing the club for the shambles that they are. If you don't you all are living in la la land, and keep on dreaming for another decade or more.

The issue i have is the gameplan is all about minimising dmg and bogging the game down, it will to some degree be good enough to keep us mid table and enough wins for some sections to be blind to the both aesthetics of it and being not a real game plan to bring ultimate success or sustainable success.

 

[Maggie5]

My notes:

Q1
- Early stoppage wins set them up
- Our defenders poor on handover
- Too much uncontested ball
- Sier important turning the clearance domination early (unsighted after that).
- Outnumbered at ground level (workrate)
- Inability to score because we can’t generate enough ball. Grundy and Daicos 2 possessions. Elliott and WHE 1 possession. IQ, Ruscoe and Henry 0. Seven blokes combined for 6 possessions.
- They always have the option off the back which we’re struggling to generate
- -50 possessions, -13 I50’s and -42 uncontested ball

Q2
- Crisp upfield to the wing
- Where are we without Moore down back 4 intercept marks in 33 mins of footy. 5 by halfway through 2nd.
- Fumbles are the watch for next week. WHE biggest culprit. Even Pendles bad.
- Adams feeds out a stoppage misses Sier next 3 players in are Dogs. 30 seconds later when IQ wins it back Grundy spoils Cox.
- Ground position. We’re struggling to get it out of D50 and they’re doing it easy by hand and through the air.
- WHE cooked. End coming quick. No pace so no separation. Fumbly. No confidence.
- Big goal to Vandermeer. Margin 11 at HT is manageable, but 5 is as good as in front considering their domination.
- 17 v 35 I50’s at half time. Lockett, Dunstall and Ablett would struggle What hope does our front 6 have?
- How are we 11 points down??
- -74 possessions, -18 I50’s and -55 uncontested ball
- Story at half time what’s the aberration. Our lack of ball or their dominance without putting us away?

Q3
- WHE that kick to Ruscoe dogs go full length SOG to Bruce
- Moore kick to Ruscoe big time after the Pendles and WHE errors going I50. Dude is a legit 20 vote player in the Brownlow
- Noble and WHE back to back fumbles when we were out.
- Moore 6th intercept mark. Dominant.
- WHE upfield. Might as well try.
- Ball scrounges out back of the stoppage, but there’s Smith alone ahead of the ball. How??
- JT workrate. WHE ignores to go to Ruscoe who shits himself.
- JT non mark crucial. Probably the right call. Full length goal 12 point turnaround clutch.
- Come on Treloar fill your boots!! Not getting the one two’s.
- Grundy well off it. No ground level or overhead influence.
- Moore 7th intercept mark.
- Another scrub kick to Mihocek turnover 70 from goal 30 seconds after the one at Cox’s feet.
- -108 possessions -80 uncontested ball and -28 I50’s

Q4
- Form of Grundy big concern.
- Shocking play on to advantage call robs us of a goal. JDG point.
- Pendles up forward having an impact. Footy smarts and cleanliness.
- How are we within 3 goals?
- Howe drops a pud game over.
- Ruscoe spectates a lot!
- Moore intercept mark 8
- First 5 minutes the difference. The margin hovered around 2-4 goals the rest of the night.
- What’s up with Daicos?.
- Treloar playing checkers while the rest of the Dogs are playing chess. How long to get the Collingwood out of him? With his running patterns and ball winning.

Post match:

In: Macrae/ Sidebottom and Murphy
Out: Ruscoe and WHE

Crisp stick to a wing and Pendles forward. Murphy back in place of Crisp. Bulk changes won’t right this ship it’s workrate. We were out worked for most of the night. Given how shitful we were around the contest how do you break that down? Need a bigger sample.

Big plus though was that a forward line with Q’s that received limited supply did a bit and Moore is a legit superstar possibly top 5 player in the competition by years end. Anyone still think Moore’s a forward @ me. Tonight ended that discussion.

THIS! Wish I could write this up so soon after a game, I have to watch the replay to pick up things I may have missed.

My only question what do you like about Murphy?

I’m no Buckley fan, but that was a very odd game and not one I would use to pot him.

I don’t remember a single game where a team has gone at 46 possessions per goal and won. The way the dogs played was yuck the key for me was we allowed them to do it through a lack of workrate and pressure around the ball. We on the other hand looked pretty fluid when we got our hands on it. With the way we moved it if we had a 150 possession differential we win by 10 goals. MagpieJoel was right it felt like a blowout loss, but there was enough there from a system POV to not be too concerned. That’s not to pot the Bulldogs because I think they’ll tighten that up.

The scariest thing for me is that was the precise performance I was worried about triggering a return to our stodgy over possessing worst. The easiest way to counter that amount of ball to your opposition is to slow the game go backwards and sideways. That’s the last thing we want.

AND THIS!

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Obviously you articulate it much better than me because you're a f**n great re.

I log on to read this humble brag

It's after midnight in Turkey

You've stripped down to your leopard print g-banger, oiled-up, posing for your webcam

We know you have Gimpy covered

He is Corey Gault to your Peter Moore