Preview Round 1 vs Carlton

[LBBenny]

Exactly.

If you guys think White has had a good pre-season you should watch the games again..

 

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If you guys think White has had a good pre-season you should watch the games again..

Performed better than Nason Webberley MacDonald or Taylor, but hey lets just play them without them earning it.

 

[delediofan3]

LOL i cant wait to see Dusty fend off Gibbs and Judd

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Wouldn't mind Tucky in the team, but overall it looks a hell of alot better than it did this time last year

 

[LBBenny]

Performed better than Nason Webberley MacDonald or Taylor, but hey lets just play them without them earning it.

I didn't say play these guys.. but I would def play Tuck, Dea and Post in front of White. And Taylor has shown more for the opportunities he's had, would be a much better option (if not injured).

End of the Day you obviously think White gives us something during a rebuilding fase, I disagree.. I think he is a list clogger of the highest order, has shown his best and that is poor, has speed thats it.

I thought Houli was a great upgrade for white, therefor don't see a use for him in our team.

 

[tugga]

Funny how people say we will never be a good side until the likes of Tuck aren't playing and then we he doesn't play and we pick a heap of kids, people wished he was in the side.

 

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I didn't say play these guys.. but I would def play Tuck, Dea and Post in front of White. And Taylor has shown more for the opportunities he's had, would be a much better option (if not injured).

End of the Day you obviously think White gives us something during a rebuilding fase, I disagree.. I think he is a list clogger of the highest order, has shown his best and that is poor, has speed thats it.

I thought Houli was a great upgrade for white, therefor don't see a use for him in our team.

Given I expect him to play tomorrow as the defensive forward on Yarran I don't see Tuck, Dea(plays backline) Post(KP/ruck) or Taylor(3rd tall) fulfilling that role.

Where did I say I think White gives us something? IMO he is playing the role that King would have played if not for the suspension. With that I expect White out next week for King.

 

[LBBenny]

Given I expect him to play tomorrow as the defensive forward on Yarran I don't see Tuck, Dea(plays backline) Post(KP/ruck) or Taylor(3rd tall) fulfilling that role.

Where did I say I think White gives us something? IMO he is playing the role that King would have played if not for the suspension. With that I expect White out next week for King.

I thought you said you would rather White play (going on 5 years in the system) rather than Dea, Nason, Taylor or Webb?? To me that says he must give us something as all the others you mentioned are 1 year in and still learning.

For me Houli could really play that def forward role if that was the area we are really struggling to fill (King). But to be honest I think White is very ordinary in that role anyway, for me if anything he is very much an attacking player, not deffensive

 

[blue gunslinger]

Deledio should play on Gartlett. He's Carltons danger forward and Lids can match him for pace and beat him overhead

That is a big call
Garlett is breathtaking when he gets a head of steam up
Looks to have worked hard over summer and become even quicker
Not doubting Deledio but better him than me

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

That is a big call
Garlett is breathtaking when he gets a head of steam up
Looks to have worked hard over summer and become even quicker
Not doubting Deledio but better him than me

Players playing with vaporizes , interesting ?

 

[Goldust]

And what did Gourdis ever do to deserve the hype that he gets from most people around these parts?

The team is screaming out for a decent FB and yet Rance gets a go before Gourdis, I think some people are pumping this kid up to be something hes not. Sure he has good speed and a nice vertical leap, but thats where it stops he showed in the few games he played at AFL level that he doesn't have the skill or footy smarts at the moment to cement a spot in the team.

Even the coaches were saying they weren't impressed by his pre season and then people who went to training and gave reports said the same thing, his skills weren't good enough and he was constantly having to be told how to setup where to stand what to do.

When the Club thinks hes ready and he has shown some sort of improvement I'm sure he will get his shot at it again, but until then people have to realize and understand that he is being left out of the side for a reason.

And yes people I'm well aware that he apparently had some sort of virus over the pre season but that doesn't excuse being dumb.

Well put.
You'd think the praise Gourdis gets on here that he's Scarlett or Lake!!
He just ain't that good and doesn't work hard enough!

 

[SPOCK]

And what did Gourdis ever do to deserve the hype that he gets from most people around these parts?

The team is screaming out for a decent FB and yet Rance gets a go before Gourdis, I think some people are pumping this kid up to be something hes not. Sure he has good speed and a nice vertical leap, but that's where it stops he showed in the few games he played at AFL level that he doesn't have the skill or footy smarts at the moment to cement a spot in the team.

Even the coaches were saying they weren't impressed by his pre season and then people who went to training and gave reports said the same thing, his skills weren't good enough and he was constantly having to be told how to setup where to stand what to do.

When the Club thinks hes ready and he has shown some sort of improvement I'm sure he will get his shot at it again, but until then people have to realize and understand that he is being left out of the side for a reason.

And yes people I'm well aware that he apparently had some sort of virus over the pre season but that doesn't excuse being dumb.

Hughes
Shultz
Putt
Gourdis
Post
Rance
Either gone or struggling, maybe we should be looking at who or how we develops our talls.
let me add..
Griffiths has no idea what he is doing, very brave kid who throws himself head long into packs, anyone who saw his first game at Coburg knew in the first 5 minutes why he had a shoulder recon.
His next shoulder injury was absolute certainty, if he is not developed more carefully he wont last 2 years
Astbury is a promising kid but the hype on him is a absolute joke, has shown good signs but little else, anyone who expects him to play CHB this year on Brown, Riewoldt, co is a dil., I really worry for this boy with the ridiculous expectations put on him
Time we started developing our talls a lot better then we have.

 

[juss]

Well put.
You'd think the praise Gourdis gets on here that he's Scarlett or Lake!!
He just ain't that good and doesn't work hard enough!

I've got to say, Rance has looked hit and miss so far in his career, shown glimpses then made some dumb errors, but this preseason is by far the best I've seen him play. Looks composed and strong in the air.

There is no doubting he has the athleticism, the size and the courage to be a good defender, if he can continue to improve in the air, both marking and spoiling, he could be the answer at FB. He is worth a shot anyway, and if he doesn't take his chance, we can bring in Gourdis, if his form at Coburg warrants selection.

 

[santa claws]

Because we need a second ruckman and a second tall up forward and on preseason form Vickery is the best performed in both those roles.


Because we're in development, if Rance/Astbury struggle we can then turn to McGuane.


Actually they wouldn't, Malthouse regularly makes late changes depending on the weather on gameday.


How does playing Post ahead of Vickery solve our problem of leaving Jack one out? Also given Post is upto 11cm shorter than Warnock how exactly is he going to compete as the backup ruckman to Graham?


3 debutants not enough for you. White is obviously going to play the defensive forward role on Yarran, while Nahas will be looked to to provide the crumbing small which is the role he should be playing rather than pushing up into the midfield like he has been.

1/ you are right we need a second ruckman and a second kpf. when and if vickery plays ruck i only see one kpf dont you. or are you telling me graham will rest in a pocket pppffffttt.

2/ carlton go in with just 5 talls and its going to flog down yet we need 3 tall defenders just in case. but we dont need insurance with the tall forwards of which only one jack is permanent and a bona fide kpf. yet hes had how much of a preseason you cant even be sure he will run the game out. you want it both ways.

3/ do you even have to ask. play post of the interchange. you can play him either as a forward a ruckman or even in defense. if graham has a rest vickery goes into ruck post can go forward so we maintain structure.
you know what wins in the wet more than anything. big bodies and better skills.

4/ so your telling me malthouse would go into a game with just 5 or 6 talls. please give me a break. dawes and cloke will play no matter how wet.

and obrien maxwell n brown/tarrant and reid with jolly are montys. he may or may not drop l brown but like i say big bodies very much come to the fore in the wet.

5/what the hell has how mant debutants got to do with it. just for you yes im very happy that we have 3 debutants.

one for you if all are picking the side on pre season form how the hell did edwards get a game for that matter how did most of em get a game.

and what a joke you really dont believe what your writing i hope. so we are playing white solely as a defensive forward to do a job on a very young player in yarran who is only just new to the backline. boy he must have had a ripper preseason to warrant that. and all that for just one week while we wait for another deficient player to serve his suspension.

can you tell me why grigg is named on a hff. now that is a joke.
jackson instead of tuck. didnt you say it was going to be wet tuck would be in his element.

how about the myriad of piss poor kicks and decision makers i suppose if it flogs down these deficiencies will be hidden to a degree.
thank god carlton have been hurt by injury and its going to rain. because the damage may not be so bad from this middling team yes middling team who i cant see making the 8.

 

[Lamp]

Funny how people say we will never be a good side until the likes of Tuck aren't playing and then we he doesn't play and we pick a heap of kids, people wished he was in the side.

I have a theory on this. It's probably fairly obvious but I'll say it anyway: basically, people whinge. So you may not get the same people wanting Tuck gone then complaining when he doesn't get a game, but what you do get is a whole lot of people complaining about each when they do or don't happen, and not a lot with much praise for anything.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

1/ you are right we need a second ruckman and a second kpf. when and if vickery plays ruck i only see one kpf dont you. or are you telling me graham will rest in a pocket pppffffttt.
.

Obviously not a key forward by any stretch...but showed an ability to clunk a few last year and no reason he can't rest deep and let Vickery go up against their 2nd ruckman. Would Graham be much worse than Hampson down forward?

 

[happy_punter]

graham is great up forward....nuff said

 

[santa claws]

obviously i disagree with a fair bit of the team its structure selections and where players are played.

all i have to add is if we cant beat them this time around with the team they have named we never will.

i reckon we have forfieted any slim chance we had at all at the selection table.

 

[Azzleberry]

graham is great up forward....nuff said

Agreed. Has shown he can take a strong grab and at worst get the ball down to the crumbers.. Generally kicks straight too...

 

[Azzleberry]

obviously i disagree with a fair bit of the team its structure selections and where players are played.

all i have to add is if we cant beat them this time around with the team they have named we never will.

i reckon we have forfieted any slim chance we had at all at the selection table.

Surprise, Surprise

 

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1/ you are right we need a second ruckman and a second kpf. when and if vickery plays ruck i only see one kpf dont you. or are you telling me graham will rest in a pocket pppffffttt

Thats exactly what I'm telling you will happen.

2/ carlton go in with just 5 talls and its going to flog down yet we need 3 tall defenders just in case. but we dont need insurance with the tall forwards of which only one jack is permanent and a bona fide kpf. yet hes had how much of a preseason you cant even be sure he will run the game out. you want it both ways.

Carlton like us have 6 talls unless you're going to suggest that 190cm White is a tall but 190cm Walker isn't. Just who are you talking about when it comes to not having much of a preseason?

3/ do you even have to ask. play post of the interchange. you can play him either as a forward a ruckman or even in defense. if graham has a rest vickery goes into ruck post can go forward so we maintain structure.
you know what wins in the wet more than anything. big bodies and better skills.

Don't forget we've got Astbury who can be swung forward if need be, although I'd prefer he settles at CHB. As I said above Graham can quite easily sit in the goal square for 5 minutes to take a breather while Vickery gives him a break.

4/ so your telling me malthouse would go into a game with just 5 or 6 talls. please give me a break. dawes and cloke will play no matter how wet.

and obrien maxwell n brown/tarrant and reid with jolly are montys. he may or may not drop l brown but like i say big bodies very much come to the fore in the wet.

O'Brien is a 188cm HBF hardly what you would call a tall unless you're now going to suggest Deledio is a KPD as well.

Also I think you're forgetting that with the new subs rule sides need the extra runners on the bench and are seemingly loathe to carrying too many talls in their starting 21.

5/what the hell has how mant debutants got to do with it. just for you yes im very happy that we have 3 debutants.

one for you if all are picking the side on pre season form how the hell did edwards get a game for that matter how did most of em get a game.

Well given how you think 3/4 of the list are pathetic spuds I assumed that you would rather we play the draftees ahead of putting in more spuds in their place. The second part of what you posted here suggests that very thing.

and what a joke you really dont believe what your writing i hope. so we are playing white solely as a defensive forward to do a job on a very young player in yarran who is only just new to the backline. boy he must have had a ripper preseason to warrant that. and all that for just one week while we wait for another deficient player to serve his suspension.

Yarran has been flying this preseason, got quite a few people excited with the form he has shown at HB. IIRC he has had 2-3 25 possession games. So instead of trying to shut him down lets just let him run around setting up play for them all night, at least that will give you something to bitch about post game.

can you tell me why grigg is named on a hff. now that is a joke.
jackson instead of tuck. didnt you say it was going to be wet tuck would be in his element.

Perhaps if you watched a few of the preseason games you would know that Grigg and Cotchin have been playing deep forward when resting from the midfield. As for Tuck I'm not sure why he isn't playing, haven't heard anything regarding injury so I can only assume that he has been left out on form.

how about the myriad of piss poor kicks and decision makers i suppose if it flogs down these deficiencies will be hidden to a degree.
thank god carlton have been hurt by injury and its going to rain. because the damage may not be so bad from this middling team yes middling team who i cant see making the 8.

I can see it already, if we win, there will be no credit coming from you, just excuses as to why Carlton lost.

 

[turtle27]

obviously i disagree with a fair bit of the team its structure selections and where players are played.

all i have to add is if we cant beat them this time around with the team they have named we never will.

i reckon we have forfieted any slim chance we had at all at the selection table.

OK then, name the side you would play. I dare you

 

[MartinFoleyCotch]

I think there backline is very suspect. I really hate that Matt White is in the 22, however I am assuming he will play a lock down role on Yarran. They don't have many decent ball users coming out of defence and if White, Nahas and Helbig can tackle all night I think we are a chance....HOWEVER:

In order for this to happen we have to break even at least in the midfield. Agree with what a previous poster said regarding their wingers. There outside players have destroyed us recently.

Cotchin, Foley, Martin, Morton, Edwards, Grigg, Houli, Deledio

v

Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Curnow ect

Think if Jackson can make Judds effect very minimal we will win the clearances. Little dissapointed Nahas or White wasn't left out for Tucky who is a clearance machine and ecspecially considering it is going to be wet.

 

[CoggaRules]

Interesting team. No Tuck? so i guess the mids have reached the stage where he is a depth player, or should i say the brains trust thinks they have.

 

[MartinFoleyCotch]

Think if it rains this is a very bad call. May not play every game but anytime it rains he should play. Remember the Port game last year where he dominated?