Autopsy Round 11 = Collingwood 51-61 Geelong

[domus]

I wasn’t referring to the selection in my
Post, I was talking about Madgen’s performance. I also addressed that saying that I probably would have played Kelly if full forward was the role he was earmarked for.

The fact that our list is in disarray and there weren’t any really clear, suitable alternatives to the Madge selection isn’t Jack Madgen’s fault.

Cox should never been removed from our team. That was Buckley's decision.

 

[doppleganger]

The gaslighting on this forum is through the roof. If Tony Shaw had this kind of support he'd still be coaching.

You like using the term gaslighting.

Who is the victim of this forums supposed gaslighting?

 

[Everybody Panic]

If you go through my history of posts you will find I was a staunch Buckley defender for most of his tenure. My current opinion is hardly a knee jerk angry response to a poor year. We've had plenty of those under Buckley.

I'm not going to go through your posts. You're allowed your opinion and me mine. I was more referring to the use of the word "gaslighting" in reference to people who differ in opinion.

 

[domus]

You like using the term gaslighting.

Who is the victim of this forums supposed gaslighting?

Anyone silly enough to be swayed by the never ending desperate defense of a coach who is regularly serving up the worst footy I have had the displeasure of watching.

 

[Matrix10]

Why not play a young kid who Buckley claims is the future? Keane could have played Madgens role.

That makes way too much sense domus. can you please refrain from making statements which are common sense, does not sit well with the Bucks modus operandi

 

[Tarkyn_24]

We actually controlled the entire 2nd half. Our 1st half was some of the most insipid, uninspiring football I've ever witnessed though. We look good when we take the game on, so why not do it the entire game? Is that on the coach or the players? Because I think we have the talent to be much better.

I agree with what you’re saying about playing more offensive football - I don’t agree with the statement that we have the talent to be better though. We would have a bottom two or three squad in terms of talent at this stage. Pendles has lost the plot, Sidebottom is almost a waste of space now and our 13-22 were atrocious last season and even lighter on for options now.

I see promise in guys like Bianco, Poulter, McCreery and even Keane and they do need to be played, but I’d also suggest that the remaining batch of kids are far too raw and need to develop considerably to even remove Thomas,WHE, Browns etc from that team and those guys themselves are a very low bar in terms of desired performance.

It’ll be good to go into 2022 with a clearer idea of who looks likely at the level though. **** off the Ruscoe’s of the world that are a complete waste of space.

 

[Axl the great]

A switch in play relies on four key things in order to work:

i) Opposition forwards have been sucked towards the skinny side further up the ground

ii) A free team mate (Player B) who is a good penetrating kick for the initial sideways / backwards option.

iii) A 2-on-1 overlap situation on the opposite half back flank (players C and D)

iv) Players B and C (the target who peels off the back side of the overlap towards the half back flank) are quick and accurate enough with their kicking to get it to player D on the other side of the overlap in space with no defensive pressure coming. All kicks need to be quick and with penetration / accuracy, as high floaters just give the opposition time to shift across.

Now how often do you see all four of these things happen when we switch? More often than not our switches fall over at step i) or ii), which means they are not a switch at all, rather they are nothing more than an easy out for the player who initially has the ball at half back that essentially sells out a team mate further behind the play, hoping they'll somehow be able to do something better from a far worse position on the ground.

I don't get the obsession with keeping possession of the footy at all costs, even if it means crawling to the wing and turning it over anyway, the way we play is insanity!
How about playing with run and dare? nothing wrong with inviting contested footy over the ground MM used to coach it that way but he had us getting to more contests in numbers and winning it then going again with momentum, we were always moving and so was the footy sort of like a bulldozer, the doggies play similar now while Melbourne and Brisbane use precision.
Bucks relies on grit and grunt and hopes that will do the job, he's a clown of a coach and I am so sad that the acceptance of mediocrity has become the norm at our great club.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Cox should never been removed from our team. That was Buckley's decision.

In firm agreement here, and he’s an obvious one for the role Madgen played today but he was unavailable through injury. I’ve been in the Cox should never have been dropped camp all season.

Strategically Cameron and Cox make our forwardline too cumbersome and lacking in agility to play together but on merit both those guys are best 22 footballers and we are light on for realistic other alternatives that would enhance our forward structure

Edited a few of my comments for clarity

 

[pablo disco bar]

With mcreery and Thomas out there was no forward pressure

 

[jmac70]

If you go through my history of posts you will find I was a staunch Buckley defender for most of his tenure. My current opinion is hardly a knee jerk angry response to a poor year. We've had plenty of those under Buckley.

This does not sound like fun.

 

[Everybody Panic]

In firm agreement here, and he’s an obvious one for the role Madgen played today but he was unavailable through injury. I’ve been in the Cox should never have been dropped camp all season.

Strategically Cameron and Cox make our forwardline too cumbersome and lacking in agility to play together but on merit both those guys are best 22 footballers and we are light on for realistic other alternatives that would enhance our forward structure

Edited a few of my comments for clarity

It's a shitty situation. Both have showed form enough to play, but our small forwards are not good enough to justify playing them both. Also our midfielders have not been showing the ability to lower eyes and kick to advantage.

 

[doppleganger]

Anyone silly enough to be swayed by the never ending desperate defense of a coach who is regularly serving up the worst footy I have had the displeasure of watching.

Yep, you don't understand what it means.

Carry-on

 

[No SPIN]

And when elite footballers looked like this this. How far we have come in the last century and a bit.

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I suppose that Geelong are thankful they won’t have to face us in the finals this year, or the next few. They might actually play their AA grade midfielders and get out of 3rd gear.

If you’re okay with our performance today then you’re very easy to please.

We played a flag favourite FFS, with a team full of kids. Who held their own and could have won.
You can deride that performance as much as you like, but some of us actually take some pride in how the team stood up with far more players missing than Geel.

If you can’t take any positives from the performance then that’s your problem sport.

 

[Smoothmover8]

It wasn’t great display by any stretch. Though I’m not sure what people expect, we had 7 players under 22 to Geelongs 1! Obviously they were missing some quality but so were we.

They were in control all day and the scoreboard flattered us in the end. However, our set shot inaccuracy really killed off any hope we had, you need apply score board pressure and we couldn’t sink simple shots until late in the game when the game was gone.

All this carry on about it solely being the game plan is ridiculous! You either have the cattle or not and currently we have a lack of depth and talent. The players we have out kills us, because they are important on each line which with our lack of depth is even more obvious.

I guess some here would prefer to get blown away like gws today or st kilda or nth last week. While I agree we need to back ourselves a bit more, going all out attack and getting blown away does nothing for the kids. It’s a tough thing to balance.

Pendles and Sidebottom are coming to the end quicker than expected and we lack hardness around the ball with Adams out. Positives Bianco looks like he is going to be a real player, poulter was solid today but you can see he has it, it’s going to take time to turn it around and the only way is to get these kids games. Guys like madgen and brown should not be in the side because even with their experience they add nothing

 

[Axl the great]

if you think this young team didn’t get confidence pushing a flag favourite to 10 points and knowing they could have actually won, you don’t understand team sport.

And what, you think Geelong were on all cylinders? that performance was garbage, as have the last week and the week before that and so on, If you think we have improved then it is you who doesn't understand.
I can really imagine the confidence now... well done boys here's a shiny medal for a job well done and for trying hard.

 

[bucksisbest]

We played a flag favourite FFS, with a team full of kids. Who held their own and could have won.
You can deride that performance as much as you like, but some of us actually take some pride in how the team stood up with far more players missing than Geel.

If you can’t take any positives from the performance then that’s your problem sport.

Gee we must have an elite list, to have more missing than Dangerfield, Duncan, Blicavs, Guthrie and Miers

 

[TradeDraft]

Buckley very optimistic after the game. Colour me astonished.

Shows how Clueless Bucks is

 

[No SPIN]

And what, you think Geelong were on all cylinders? that performance was garbage, as have the last week and the week before that and so on, If you think we have improved then it is you who doesn't understand.
I can really imagine the confidence now... well done boys here's a shiny medal for a job well done and for trying hard.

Why do you insist on taking credit away from the performance - Geel were scragged, pressured, harassed and stopped from playing their fluid game for 4 QTR’s by YOUR TEAM full of kids - but you want to make excuses for Geel.
Give it a rest.

 

[jmac70]

Shows how Clueless Bucks is

Shows there is hope.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Also if Murphy could not get himself killed out there it would be appreciated. I rather like him as a player and his courage

Sier was great today too. Hopefully it isn’t a one off

 

[TradeDraft]

Shows there is hope.

How?

 

[AgroMagro]

The game was such an abomination that the AFL will have all evidence of it buried in a plutonium, storage facility deep below the surface of the Earth.

It cannot afford for it to get loose.

 

[Axl the great]

Why do you insist on taking credit away from the performance - Geel were scragged, pressured, harassed and stopped from playing their fluid game for 4 QTR’s by YOUR TEAM full of kids - but you want to make excuses for Geel.
Give it a rest.

We kicked no goals in a half and defensively we were better around the footy yes, but offensively and movement wise it was horrendous, and might I remind you all year has looked the same except this was actually worse in all honesty.
The game plan and messages are not getting through and you think today's result means we are close or improving? please!
That was the most painful thing I have seen in a long time and it has nothing to do with "kids" that's a copout and the excuse of the loser.
What are all Sydney's and Adelaide's players? Veterans? no but you can see a system and a direction.

 

[No SPIN]

Gee we must have an elite list, to have more missing than Dangerfield, Duncan, Blicavs, Guthrie and Miers

we had a team full of kids and the flag favourites were made to look ordinary- but heaven forbid you should give them any credit.
Wake up sport - there were many positives today.

 

[jmac70]

How?

Young players stepping up. There is hope.