Preview Round 17, 2023 : Giants v Hawks, 4.35pm July 8th, Giants Stadium

[burner1]

Based on BH review a few players putting hands up.

Don’t mind idea of Kosi playing 2nd ruck. He struggled in role last year but might be the best role for him. He doesn’t lack competitiveness and can crash a pack. The lack of footy iq is less an issue for a ruck (and has more forward craft then reeves/meek). Then rotate Ryan/DGB/Ramma through 2nd forward role over rest of season.

Hopefully serong keeps up form as when Sicily is back swapping frost for serong and freeing up weddle appears a good option (on paper).

 

[Newmo89]

30 teams in the comp and they still manage to get byes every few weeks and now its a 2 week bye?

The AFL are just atrocious.

Other than that, great review. Thanks !

The team's next HOME game is on the 29th of July. This weekend they play the Giants at Giants Stadium in a curtain raiser. The following week we play the Kangaroos at Arden St on the Sunday. The next week we play Richmond at the Swinburne Centre before the Hawks play the Tigers at the G. Then we play at home against Sandy.

 

[Coathanger]

It should be plain to Sam that Reeves & Meek pairing isn't effective,whilst neither can take a mark
in the F50 and kick goals. We are just playing one short for the day currently.
So they had 61 hit outs for a total of 12 to advantage.....

 

[Mitchell Madness]

It should be plain to Sam that Reeves & Meek pairing isn't effective,whilst neither can take a mark
in the F50 and kick goals. We are just playing one short for the day currently.
So they had 61 hit outs for a total of 12 to advantage.....

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Type of movement is important.
Long high bombs rarely get marked (by any forward). It's worse when the umps don't pay blatant holds

Puting the ball out infront of a player will get marked

 

[HairyO]

The team's next HOME game is on the 29th of July. This weekend they play the Giants at Giants Stadium in a curtain raiser. The following week we play the Kangaroos at Arden St on the Sunday. The next week we play Richmond at the Swinburne Centre before the Hawks play the Tigers at the G. Then we play at home against Sandy.

Ah that makes sense. Though thry do seem to have a lot of byes.
Cheers.

 

[H00t]

Was down at the City Oval on the weekend to do some VFL coverage for Talking Hawks.

Kosi took the first centre bounces and was paired with young Clay Tucker as the ruck combination. Kosi competed well around the ground, he had good pressure and when he went forward he got the number one defender, which meant Shaggy instantly had the number 2 defender.

Brandon Ryan has a great pair of hands and got free from his opponent well with strong leading and positioning. His goal kicking unfortunately let him down with 0.6. He is very slight in terms of his build but clearly has a good footy brain. Believe the club will keep him on the list for next year if he continues showing what he has.

Jai Serong was tremendous in defence, in what is his 3rd game as a defender. He was moved back by Andy Collins to help him with versatility. Needs another game or two in defence before being rushed into the seniors.

Shaggy started off slowly before hitting the scoreboard and looking confident as a forward. Said he was moved forward as a mental refresher and to add some versatility to his game.

Cooper Stephens played well and said it's all about consistency before he gets a call up to the senior team.

Ned Long's physicality and work rate is immense. He spent time on ball, on the wing and also at half back.

CJ was on 80 minutes of game time and his speed certainly wasn't impacted by his injury. Still had some moments with the ball that put others under pressure but he will likely slot back in.

Bramble played as an inside mid instead of a winger. Tried hard in the guts all day.

O'Sullivan and Benmetts both offer some excellent pressure in the forward 50 and are building really nicely.

Next Box Hill home game is against Sandringham on the 29th of July. Highly recommend getting down there and watching the team. Some exciting things happening down there.

Just on Stephens. Is he fit enough? I can’t see quarter by quarter breakdown in for the VFL like the AFL does.

But it seems like he generally starts super well. Then gets little to none of it in the second half.

I know fitness has been a strength of his. Just a little something I’ve noticed.

 

[Newmo89]

Just on Stephens. Is he fit enough? I can’t see quarter by quarter breakdown in for the VFL like the AFL does.

But it seems like he generally starts super well. Then gets little to none of it in the second half.

I know fitness has been a strength of his. Just a little something I’ve noticed.

He played a different role on the weekend. He played as a high half forward who then rotated onto the ball. Had excellent follow up around the contest and looked ready to go.

 

[PenAndPaper]

It should be plain to Sam that Reeves & Meek pairing isn't effective,whilst neither can take a mark
in the F50 and kick goals. We are just playing one short for the day currently.
So they had 61 hit outs for a total of 12 to advantage.....

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A lot of that is on our mids. There were numerous times where Reeves won the tab hitting it exactly where he wanted to and our mids didn't get there. Carlton's mids absolute smashed ours at the contest and I don't think that was on our rucks.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Should be a nice sunny 18 at Giants stadium, so that's an improvement on last year's slogfest, and hopefully our ball handling of the last two weeks benefits.

 

[Sixpence]

Should be a nice sunny 18 at Giants stadium, so that's an improvement on last year's slogfest, and hopefully our ball handling of the last two weeks benefits.

Hmm, it was warm for 6 of our last 8 quarters. Guess which 2 quarters we played ok in?

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

A lot of that is on our mids. There were numerous times where Reeves won the tab hitting it exactly where he wanted to and our mids didn't get there. Carlton's mids absolute smashed ours at the contest and I don't think that was on our rucks.

Reeves has the ability to potentially provide clean centre clearances – the most effective pathway to a shot on goal – several times a game. I personally believe he is best suited to being a number 1 solo ruck that takes 80% of the hitouts, like a Gawn 16-22, Witts, peak Goldy, Sandi etc. This also hides his deficiencies around the ground a little more because you don't really need to find a 2nd position for him. I'm not a big fan of a 2-ruck set up in the modern game and I am curious why Sam seems to opt for it.

I haven't really seen enough of the two as a pairing to fully understand how it works long-term yet. But I understand they're both young (especially for ruckmen) so, like much of our team, the full picture isn't clear yet.

 

[Denver Day Lewis]

Given we couldn't win a clearance when our rucks dominated the hitouts, perhaps we should try a zero ruck strategy this week. Just an extra midfielder.

Couldn't be any worse amiright.

 

[H00t]

Reeves has the ability to potentially provide clean centre clearances – the most effective pathway to a shot on goal – several times a game. I personally believe he is best suited to being a number 1 solo ruck that takes 80% of the hitouts, like a Gawn 16-22, Witts, peak Goldy, Sandi etc. This also hides his deficiencies around the ground a little more because you don't really need to find a 2nd position for him. I'm not a big fan of a 2-ruck set up in the modern game and I am curious why Sam seems to opt for it.

I haven't really seen enough of the two as a pairing to fully understand how it works long-term yet. But I understand they're both young (especially for ruckmen) so, like much of our team, the full picture isn't clear yet.

Currently I just don’t think Reeves is fit enough to ruck for most of the game. Ideally we’d be able to get him to ruck most of it and have a forward pinch it.

 

[Baz_hawk]

I think CJ plays another BH game to just get some more conditioning. Impey sounds 50/50 at the moment but you'd hope he gets up.

In: DGB, Brockman, Impey
Out: Morrison, Reeves, Maginness

Frost can play second ruck as punishment for some absolute shit on he weekend.

 

[Roby]

I'd love to see DGB up forward. At this point it's fine to experiment and he did really well in that position at Box Hill last week. We need to find forwards, so we need to try this.

DGB could be a be very difficult forward to match up on, he ranked 5th at draft camp for the Agility Test.

 

[Mrzohs]

Throw the magnets around I want a forward line with the capability of marking but also locking the ball in.

More two way runners around the midfield Moore and Weddle rotate a wing with Day and Amon in the guts.

FB:Hardwick, Blanck, Impey
HB:Scrimshaw, Kosi, Mitchell
C: Moore, Day, Ward
HF:Brockman, DGB,Wingard
FF:Breust, Lewis Jiath
R: Meek, Nuke, Amon
B:Worpel,Nash,Weddle,Frost, Rama

 

[Elhawko]

Hardwick Blanck Scrim
Impey. Frost Mitchell
Amon. Worpel. Ward
Moore. DGB. Brockman
Bruest. Lewis. Ramsden

Reeves. Day. Newk.

Nash McKenzie Weddell McDonald Wingard/ CJ (sub).

Ramsden only rucks in forward 50, no centre bounces. Reeves takes the bounces and then drops back to half back and just tries to fill a hole. I can live with Meek instead but I do think Reeves at least wins tap outs. Ramsden to just run and run and drag a key defender away from Lewis. Moorey to act as the pressure forward much as Poppy used to do. If we are too top heavy with three talls we have extra pace on the bench.

Kosi could come in in place if DGB but I like the idea of rolling the dice a bit now and just seeing what new ideas might work for next year. Plus DGB gives us flexibility that Kosi won’t.

Sic in the following week and either Scrim or Frost make way, depending on match ups.

I don’t think they’ll pick this team but this is the line up I’d like to see tried.

 

[smish]

DGB to the forward line is the next Day to the midfield

 

[VandoHawk]

At least our record at their home ground is good right?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Currently I just don’t think Reeves is fit enough to ruck for most of the game. Ideally we’d be able to get him to ruck most of it and have a forward pinch it.

He is fit enough.

 

[H00t]

He is fit enough.

He’s come from a long way back and it’s commendable he is as fit as he is.

What I have noticed though is when Meek wasn’t in the team, he started well and then dropped off in the last quarter in both games.

It’s a tough gig being a solo ruck. I don’t think he has it in him just yet to do it.

 

[Brucie Buffer]

I thought dropping Kos was a mistake, he did more in the game he was dropped for than the one he got a call up for.
He is not the long term answer on form but right now he is the answer.
Kosi offers more than Meek in the forward line, Reeves is the better tap ruckman.
Meek to Box Hill, Kosi pinch hits in the ruck.
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would out coach a team with Lewis and Breust the only threats in the forward 50.
Keep Ferg in, and throw Kosi and DGB as the third tall in, might not work but what do we have to lose? Ferg is a clever player, we are asking too much of his skill set.
We had three quarters in a row without a goal.

 

[caseman2]

I seriously must have been watching a different game to most on here last week.

When we were getting embarrassed in the first half, Greene was the only bloke who looked likely up forward yet people are calling for him to be dropped? What happened to selection integrity!

Whilst we won the ruck contests last week our midfield got absolutely flogged. I don't know why we didn't revert to bashing the ball forward in the 2nd half to clear the congestion as opposed to keep persevering with "tap work" where the Blues sharked us all day.

If the decision was to play 1 ruck, i would go with Meek. Not the most talented bloke around but he gives 100% every time. Reeves takes the hit out and offers nothing else. Reeves actually reminds me of big Harry Madden from the 80's trying to cover ground - a dinosaur from a bygone era.

 

[barbster]

Ins - Brockman, DGB, Impey, CJ, Serong, MacKenzie (sub)
Outs - Butler, Frost, Morrison, Meek, MacDonald, Maginess

Yes wholesale changes, as we have been pathetic last couple of weeks.

 

[barbster]

He’s come from a long way back and it’s commendable he is as fit as he is.

What I have noticed though is when Meek wasn’t in the team, he started well and then dropped off in the last quarter in both games.

It’s a tough gig being a solo ruck. I don’t think he has it in him just yet to do it.

Getting him to ruck solo is a good way to fast track his fitness levels.