Preview Round 19, 2023 : Richmond v Hawthorn, 1:45pm 22nd July, MCG

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Rama, Long, Serong, Stephens, Butler and Mackenzie will all probably get more games before the year's out – I don't think it will be this week

but i reckon best 22 blokes with niggles are gonna start being wrapped in cotton wool once August comes around

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Need a line in the sand moment. They've bullied us physically too often. Who's going to be our Richie?

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

only six players are still on the team from when we last beat the Tigers – Scrim, Sic, Dimma, Worps, Frost, Wingard, Punky

crazy how much change the side has gone through in such a short amount of time without completely becoming rudderless

 

[KermitJagger]

only six players are still on the team from when we last beat the Tigers – Scrim, Sic, Dimma, Worps, Frost, Wingard, Punky

crazy how much change the side has gone through in such a short amount of time without completely becoming rudderless

That was in 2020, so not even that long ago!

Richmond on the other hand have 15 - Vlastuin, Cotchin, Grimes, Prestia, Broad, Graham, Riewoldt, Ross, Pickett, Bolton, Soldo, Lynch and Rioli.

 

[TylerDurden]

only six players are still on the team from when we last beat the Tigers – Scrim, Sic, Dimma, Worps, Frost, Wingard, Punky

crazy how much change the side has gone through in such a short amount of time without completely becoming rudderless

Remember Patton kicking a couple that night. Thought he was gonna be great for us.

 

[SSSSSS]

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What a goofy looking unit.

 

[TazHawk15]

In: Blanck & Mitchell
Out: Meek & Greene

Blanck to fullback in place of Frost.
Frost to mobile ruck in place of Meek.
DGB forward in place of Greene.
Maginness/Wingard to sub in place of DGB.

CJ full game at Box Hill with Ramsden.

CJ is done and dusted for the year, he has done his groin.

 

[badgrill]

..Mr Squiggle?

ummm... Miss Jane... ummm... like this... and ah... this... yes

 

[brew]

ummm... Miss Jane... ummm... like this... and ah... this... yes

Hurrrrryyyyy Upppppp!!!

 

[eldorado]

What a goofy looking unit.

He IS Shaggy!

(not the cool hip-hop version)

 

[Slainte]

Would love to see him get a game. Hard to find a spot currently. Also need to get Seamus back in the side.

Maybe give Weddle a rest or a game at BH.

 

[Bedi]

no changes

 

[TylerDurden]

Blanck will definitely play. Greene will miss.

Still tipping Seamus to come in too.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Feel like we haven’t beat these campaigners in ages. Would be nice to stick one up their asses this week.

2020 or 2019 at the G early in the season when we jumped them at the start and ended up winning by 5 goals. Only win since 2016 against them. Also had the draw in Clarko's last match. There going to think it will just happen for them again so it's up to us to make them feel a bit of pressure. They need to win to stay in the finals hunt so it's all on them to get a win. We have nothing to lose except trying to avoid a belting IMO.

 

[TylerDurden]

I'm backing in:
Reeves, Worpel, Day, Newcombe, and Nash over,
Soldo, Taranto, Cotchin, Prestia and Hopper.

Bring em.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Maybe give Weddle a rest or a game at BH.

Wtf.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I'm backing in:
Reeves, Worpel, Day, Newcombe, and Nash over,
Soldo, Taranto, Cotchin, Prestia and Hopper.

Bring em.

They're a bogey side for us, but we haven't seen our new midfield unit against Richmond yet. It may make all the difference!

 

[Scooter_1968]

only six players are still on the team from when we last beat the Tigers – Scrim, Sic, Dimma, Worps, Frost, Wingard, Punky

crazy how much change the side has gone through in such a short amount of time without completely becoming rudderless

Isn't that 7

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[Brucie Buffer]

We do this s**t every week, but…

Reeves is 5th in the comp for hitout win %.

He’s 6th in the comp for total hitouts, and we are 6th in the comp for centre clearances.

We can all get as frustrated as he is with him not being able to clunk marks around the ground(he was visibly castigating himself on Sunday), but it would be quite negligent for Sam to take Reeves out of the middle.

We do, we do it every week. People get frustrated by the fact Reeves might as well take the hit outs, then sit in the centre circle until the next ruck contest.
If we had options he would be learning his craft in the two’s.
He is young, our other options are worse, that’s why he is getting a game, not because he is top 5% in tap outs.
That’s not to say he won’t become a good player, he is young, but you defend him every week like you gave birth to him.
I don’t think Hale or Big Boy were ever top 5% in hit outs but I would take them any day.I think Grundy would be a massive get if he became available.
I just don’t understand why because Reeves is seven foot tall and able to tap to people that we should ignore that he has shown **** all in being better than a suburban footballer in any other facet of the game.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Isn't that 7

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no

 

[Judd2Sewell]

One of the rucks has to make way, I don't particularly care which as we are currently effectively playing two players who offer little to nothing around the ground.

Greene out too.

DGB to start the match and Blanck and Mitchell come back in. Not sure who should be sub though.

I'd love to see Mackenzie come back in, but I'm not sure how that happens.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We do, we do it every week. People get frustrated by the fact Reeves might as well take the hit outs, then sit in the centre circle until the next ruck contest.
If we had options he would be learning his craft in the two’s.
He is young, our other options are worse, that’s why he is getting a game, not because he is top 5% in tap outs.
That’s not to say he won’t become a good player, he is young, but you defend him every week like you gave birth to him.
I don’t think Hale or Big Boy were ever top 5% in hit outs but I would take them any day.I think Grundy would be a massive get if he became available.
I just don’t understand why because Reeves is seven foot tall and able to tap to people that we should ignore that he has shown * all in being better than a suburban footballer in any other facet of the game.

Do you think Damien Monkhurst knows anything about rucking? I mean he literally advocated for us to sign him, and is big wraps on Ned.

Regardless though, I think this board and Hawthorn supporters in general are just way to quick to overlook the thing that Ned does exceptionally well, to the point that people suggest we should just take his tap expertise out of the side, like it will have no flow in effect to how effective our midfield is.

 

[KermitJagger]

We do, we do it every week. People get frustrated by the fact Reeves might as well take the hit outs, then sit in the centre circle until the next ruck contest.
If we had options he would be learning his craft in the two’s.
He is young, our other options are worse, that’s why he is getting a game, not because he is top 5% in tap outs.
That’s not to say he won’t become a good player, he is young, but you defend him every week like you gave birth to him.
I don’t think Hale or Big Boy were ever top 5% in hit outs but I would take them any day.I think Grundy would be a massive get if he became available.
I just don’t understand why because Reeves is seven foot tall and able to tap to people that we should ignore that he has shown * all in being better than a suburban footballer in any other facet of the game.

What are you even trying to argue here?

You concede we don't have better options, SYL and everyone else defending the selection of Reeves wouldn't do so in the presence of better options. They're just saying that talking of dropping Reeves is stupid considering he is the best we've got, and his strengths coincide with a part of the game that is actually going well for us this year.

Everyone complaining about Reeves - what's the alternative? Conjure some as yet unknown ruck out of nowhere and use a non-existent rule to add him on to the list for the Richmond game?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

We do, we do it every week. People get frustrated by the fact Reeves might as well take the hit outs, then sit in the centre circle until the next ruck contest.
If we had options he would be learning his craft in the two’s.
He is young, our other options are worse, that’s why he is getting a game, not because he is top 5% in tap outs.
That’s not to say he won’t become a good player, he is young, but you defend him every week like you gave birth to him.
I don’t think Hale or Big Boy were ever top 5% in hit outs but I would take them any day.I think Grundy would be a massive get if he became available.
I just don’t understand why because Reeves is seven foot tall and able to tap to people that we should ignore that he has shown * all in being better than a suburban footballer in any other facet of the game.

And

I'll have to give you points for sticking with your narrative no matter how obvious it is out on the field.

My biggest concern is the lack of help he offers in the D50

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Reeves has taken 20 marks for the season, that's barely one a game. That's second last in the league amongst starters and several backups (to Lycett), which is terrible for the tallest player in the league.

He also has only kicked a single goal in his 16 games too.

In comparison with every other ruckman:

Spoiler

(Reeves - 20/16, with 1 goal)

ROB - 52/17, with 4 goals

Fort - 12/6, with 1 goals
McInerney - 35/17, with 6 goals

TDK - 30/10, with 4 goals
Pittonett - 19/11, with 0 goals

Cameron - 38/10, with 1 goal
Cox - 51/12, with 15 goals

Phillips - 31/14, with 4 goals
Draper - 37/13, with 10 goals

Darcy - 51/15, with 4 goals
Jackson - 59/17, with 19 goals

Ceglar - 21/6, with 0 goals
Stanley - 15/8, with 0 goals

Witts - 37/15, with 4 goals

Briggs - 21/8, with 4 goals
Flynn - 15/9 with 1 goal

Meek - 33/14, with 3 goals

Gawn - 62/14, with 8 goals
Grundy - 45/16, with 10 goals

Goldy - 31/14, with 2 goals

Lycett - 12/11, with 0 goals

Soldo - 10/2, with 2 goals
Miller - 27/11, with 5 goals
Nankervis - 29/11, with 2 goals

Marshall - 80/17, with 2 goals

Hickey - 15/7, with 0 goals
Ladhams - 29/9, with 4 goals
McLean - 61/15, with 11 goals

Williams - 30/17, with 4 goals
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We just can't play both Reeves and Meek at the moment, so it's a question of do we want a few more hitouts in our favour or more of an around the ground presence and more physicality.

We just can't play both Reeves and Meek at the moment, so it's a question of do we want a few more hitouts in our favour or more of an around the ground presence and more physicality. Either way Reeves needs to play full games to try and show that he can contribute elsewhere on the field.

 

[ahhhhhh]

Why do we do this every week and every week everyone ignores how equally ineffective Meek is around the ground?