Owens was awful in the first half. Good in the second.Hahaha. Quality gag.
Did Owens do a job on Vlaustin?
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Owens was awful in the first half. Good in the second.Hahaha. Quality gag.
Did Owens do a job on Vlaustin?
Just watched the second half. Was a very entertaining game to watch.
Lots of action and highlights by both teams.
Last quarter was finals like in intensity.
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We haven't yet addressed the problem of last season, in not kicking enough goals, and the forward half does look disorganised again this season. The coaching staff need to do a lot of work on Owen's kicking style, and the positioning of the forwards when the ball comes in, is not good. As it was last season, the forwards seem reluctant to lead to the player coming into the forward half, or work hard to get front position- if you have no targets, then players up the ground will just bomb long.I'm a tough task master and expect or want a lot better from the Saints.
Im not criticising your statement, but I thought it was a very ordinary game total. To me it was two bottom 6 sides playing an ordinary brand of footy and that neither side really deserved the 4 points. Skill errors and poor kicking on goal meant for a low standard game. If they were playing anyone of the top 10 sides the Saints would have been smashed by 10 goals IMO.
We are dysfunctional in our F50 with most of the group poor kicks on goals or simply dont hit the score board enough. Our forwards to often want dump kicks long rather than making leads inside the F50 or create decent blocks for each other. Our midfield apart from WCE are by far the weakest in the competition. I dont believe we should be playing Nas and Bonner on the same line, neither can shut down an opponent. But again a lot of the above comes back to the availability of an entire list, we have never had it and it's looking like that trend will continue.
It's our team defence and coaching structures what keeps us in games, because we lack match winning talent right across the list. Although I enjoy watching our wins, pure footballing wise we are a rubbish team to watch.
The thing that impressed me on the weekend was seeing King leading hard straight at the kicker and taking marks at full stretch with hands way out in front of his face. Impossible to stop without giving away a free kick.We haven't yet addressed the problem of last season, in not kicking enough goals, and the forward half does look disorganised again this season. The coaching staff need to do a lot of work on Owen's kicking style, and the positioning of the forwards when the ball comes in, is not good. As it was last season, the forwards seem reluctant to lead to the player coming into the forward half, or work hard to get front position- if you have no targets, then players up the ground will just bomb long.
As it was last season, the forwards seem reluctant to lead to the player coming into the forward half, or work hard to get front position- if you have no targets, then players up the ground will just bomb long.
No problems, you have a right to your viewsI'm a tough task master and expect or want a lot better from the Saints.
Im not criticising your statement, but I thought it was a very ordinary game total. To me it was two bottom 6 sides playing an ordinary brand of footy and that neither side really deserved the 4 points. Skill errors and poor kicking on goal meant for a low standard game. If they were playing anyone of the top 10 sides the Saints would have been smashed by 10 goals IMO.
We are dysfunctional in our F50 with most of the group poor kicks on goals or simply dont hit the score board enough. Our forwards to often want dump kicks long rather than making leads inside the F50 or create decent blocks for each other. Our midfield apart from WCE are by far the weakest in the competition. I dont believe we should be playing Nas and Bonner on the same line, neither can shut down an opponent. But again a lot of the above comes back to the availability of an entire list, we have never had it and it's looking like that trend will continue.
It's our team defence and coaching structures what keeps us in games, because we lack match winning talent right across the list. Although I enjoy watching our wins, pure footballing wise we are a rubbish team to watch.
I missed the first quarter, was on my way back home listening.I'm a tough task master and expect or want a lot better from the Saints.
Im not criticising your statement, but I thought it was a very ordinary game total. To me it was two bottom 6 sides playing an ordinary brand of footy and that neither side really deserved the 4 points. Skill errors and poor kicking on goal meant for a low standard game. If they were playing anyone of the top 10 sides the Saints would have been smashed by 10 goals IMO.
We are dysfunctional in our F50 with most of the group poor kicks on goals or simply dont hit the score board enough. Our forwards to often want dump kicks long rather than making leads inside the F50 or create decent blocks for each other. Our midfield apart from WCE are by far the weakest in the competition. I dont believe we should be playing Nas and Bonner on the same line, neither can shut down an opponent. But again a lot of the above comes back to the availability of an entire list, we have never had it and it's looking like that trend will continue.
It's our team defence and coaching structures what keeps us in games, because we lack match winning talent right across the list. Although I enjoy watching our wins, pure footballing wise we are a rubbish team to watch.
For an unwatchable game it sure had a pretty decent highlights package.No problems, you have a right to your views
I purposely waited 24 hours and then only watched the second half, because honestly I couldn't stomach the first. This in itself would skew my view.
However a couple of things. I don't know how you could call either team bottom six. Richmond beat Sydney and nearly beat Carlton. We beat Collingwood and nearly Geelong.
Neither team are bottom six.
Goal scoring, we were putrid in the first half but kicked 8 in the second, restricting Richmond to 4. In fact after qtr time restricting them to 5 goals in 3 qtrs.
I thought skills were fine on a sub standard ground especially in the second, pressure was on and the lack of space made it difficult for both teams.
Finally there was some spectacular play from both teams. The run down HTB by Rioli, the three step shuffle of Battle, the great defensive play by Nankervis and Wilkie, the sublime kicking of Bolton, the miracle goal of King and the clutch goal of Bonner.
My most enjoyable experience of the desperate last minutes was the absolute heroics of Wilson, drops the ball in the 50, two Tigers bearing down has the calmness and skill to knock the ball forward to a team mate saving a goal and only seconds later making a ferocious tackle inside 50 to earn a HTB.
God yes tonnes to work on, however I just watched dispassionately and it was a cracking second half.
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I've said it many times around here: Bolton found himself in the perfect situation by being drafted by Richmond. We were still at Seaford in 2017? Richmond were winning a flag, and Bolton was given time to develop (he played only 9 senior games his first two years). I think if we drafted him he'd be out of the league by now - our situation was not ideal for him to develop.
He was BOG on Sunday by a clear way IMO.
I strongly disagree with this. When we have close to our full list to pick from we are one of the most quickest and slick sides going around. Our whole game is built on run and gun because we have the best rebounding running HB defenders in Sincs and Nas. When/if we get back to a full list we play the most exhilarating slingshot footy in the league.It's our team defence and coaching structures what keeps us in games, because we lack match winning talent right across the list. Although I enjoy watching our wins, pure footballing wise we are a rubbish team to watch.
Case in point SS. The group that took the field was a circa bottom 6 team with a circa top 10 defense and coaching. We need some cattle back and some fit players to hit form.I'm a tough task master and expect or want a lot better from the Saints.
Im not criticising your statement, but I thought it was a very ordinary game total. To me it was two bottom 6 sides playing an ordinary brand of footy and that neither side really deserved the 4 points. Skill errors and poor kicking on goal meant for a low standard game. If they were playing anyone of the top 10 sides the Saints would have been smashed by 10 goals IMO.
We are dysfunctional in our F50 with most of the group poor kicks on goals or simply dont hit the score board enough. Our forwards to often want dump kicks long rather than making leads inside the F50 or create decent blocks for each other. Our midfield apart from WCE are by far the weakest in the competition. I dont believe we should be playing Nas and Bonner on the same line, neither can shut down an opponent. But again a lot of the above comes back to the availability of an entire list, we have never had it and it's looking like that trend will continue.
It's our team defence and coaching structures what keeps us in games, because we lack match winning talent right across the list. Although I enjoy watching our wins, pure footballing wise we are a rubbish team to watch.
inspired me to watch that 3rd qtr again. Very enjoyable. Great drive provided by Hill, Nas, Sincs, Steele, Jones and Battle.Just watched the second half. Was a very entertaining game to watch.
Lots of action and highlights by both teams.
Last quarter was finals like in intensity.
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I strongly disagree with this. When we have close to our full list to pick from we are one of the most quickest and slick sides going around. Our whole game is built on run and gun because we have the best rebounding running HB defenders in Sincs and Nas. When/if we get back to a full list we play the most exhilarating slingshot footy in the league.
Agree but when will that happen? Our history suggests a full and fit list will rarely occur. I said a few weeks ago that with a fully fit side we are a borderline top 4 side, but we never get that and dont have the list depth to fill those holes. So what we see NOW is where we are at and thats a bottom 6 side with the current availability. Its simply not realistic to believe we are going to get all these players back and not lose other players along the way.
Plus we currently are playing a number of players who are out of form and if we had a full list available they would be ommitted, but the reality is we dont! So we are forced to play kids who are not ready and out of form players which further highlights us being a struggling side.
Generally you can expect injuries as the season goes along - contact and fatigue wise but we have commenced the past few seasons with far too many players unavailable. Top sides can usually cope with one or two first 23 players out, but not as many as we have. For us to be a quality side something needs to change with our player training loads and injury management. Im sure the club would prefer things to be different, but given what RTB and Misson have quoted in the media they are not being honest and are trying to hide the real issues. The club have said they want to become a high energy quick running team and the new recruits all notice how much more running they do at the Saints. I simply believe in our effort to get to those running levels we are over loading players too quickly which leads to injuries.
Our consistent injuries have considerably changed my outlook on our chances this year. Its early in the season to be writing us off, but I have a pessimistic view of the season ahead. With our draw and injury/suspension list, I dont expect us to win more than 4-5 games leading into the round 15 bye. Thats leaves us with a max of 7 wins with 7 rounds to play. Its early days but we have a number of long term injuries and even then players take weeks to get up to pre injury levels. Butler is the perfect case in question. So Im projecting the injuries/suspensions have snuffed our season hopes of playing finals.
We will get a number of games into the kids so its not all doom and gloom, but footy is really about playing finals and unfortunately I dont see that this year.
Happy for you to name the players out of form so we get an idea of who you are talking about.
Also worth mentioning that where as a few years ago those depth players would have been your Dean Kent/Matt Parker types, now they are kids with potential, which is a better position to be in. For many, many years we play games where we were the older team but the other team had more games experience, which is not where you want to be. That has flipped. The first seven weeks of the season are a <redacted> show from a fixture standpoint, but we've beaten the reigning premiers already and did so very nicely indeed.
I still think we can beat anyone on any given day. But not if we serve up what we did in the first quarter on Sunday.
Looks a lot like he's playing within himself ATM, which is understandable given his history. I'm just glad he's not injured right now.
I don't really care either way. So long as he holds together for another 6 weeks it's job done IMHO.Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the best, but AFL history is littered with players who just weren't the same every again after injury (Cooney comes to immediate mind, plus Gresh's total loss of kicking penetration).
I agree that he looks like he's really holding back from 100% full pace for worry about another injury. It's really harsh but the guy has played like 30 games in the last four years, even if he gets himself right and totally confident to push himself 100% by season's end he is almost 30 years old already.
I think you're looking at this issue in too small a context.Agree but when will that happen? Our history suggests a full and fit list will rarely occur. I said a few weeks ago that with a fully fit side we are a borderline top 4 side, but we never get that and dont have the list depth to fill those holes. So what we see NOW is where we are at and thats a bottom 6 side with the current availability. Its simply not realistic to believe we are going to get all these players back and not lose other players along the way.
Plus we currently are playing a number of players who are out of form and if we had a full list available they would be ommitted, but the reality is we dont! So we are forced to play kids who are not ready and out of form players which further highlights us being a struggling side.
Generally you can expect injuries as the season goes along - contact and fatigue wise but we have commenced the past few seasons with far too many players unavailable. Top sides can usually cope with one or two first 23 players out, but not as many as we have. For us to be a quality side something needs to change with our player training loads and injury management. Im sure the club would prefer things to be different, but given what RTB and Misson have quoted in the media they are not being honest and are trying to hide the real issues. The club have said they want to become a high energy quick running team and the new recruits all notice how much more running they do at the Saints. I simply believe in our effort to get to those running levels we are over loading players which leads to injuries.
Our consistent injuries have considerably changed my outlook on our chances this year. Its early in the season to be writing us off, but I have a pessimistic view of the season ahead. With our draw and injury/suspension list, I dont expect us to win more than 4-5 games leading into the round 15 bye. Thats leaves us with a max of 7 wins with 7 rounds to play. Its early days but we have a number of long term injuries and even then players take weeks to get up to pre injury levels. Butler is the perfect case in question. So Im projecting the injuries/suspensions have snuffed our season hopes of playing finals.
We will get a number of games into the kids so its not all doom and gloom, but footy is really about playing finals and unfortunately I dont see that this year.