Prediction Round 8: Changes Vs Hawks + prematch discussion

[Snuffaluphagus]

 

[BStaff17]

Well considering after 25 years of existence we had beaten Hawthorn just 8 times.

We have won the last 4 games since Longmuir took over and the hawks are the only team he hasn't lost too.

So hopefully we win as we owe still them another 20 years of punishment.

 

[freo_leo29]

They nearly beat us last year when we were good and they sucked

From memory O'Meara killed us (probably why we took him so that game really cost us alot lol)

 

[freo1997]

Well considering after 25 years of existence we had beaten Hawthorn just 8 times.

We have won the last 4 games since Longmuir took over and the hawks are the only team he hasn't lost too.

So hopefully we win as we owe still them another 20 years of punishment.

We have beaten them more than 8 times.

 

[serial_thrilla]

 

[BStaff17]

We have beaten them more than 8 times.

After 25 years which was 2019 it was.

Sorry I worded it incorrectly.

4 years since we haven't lost and won all 4 games since Longmuir took over.

Before he did we were 8 wins from 36 games form 1995 to 2019.

 

[DockerDerek]

I would like to see Fyfe straight back in if fit. Sub him out when he starts flagging.

Rather that than see him start as sub and come on when we are 4 goals down in Q3.

 

[Freomaniac]

I just need to put this here....



I don't mind the dockers struggling with lack of game experience.

But yeah... Ranked 18th in game experience on the backline sucked.

Average games per defender is 70 games.

Would Nathan Wilson

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Nathan Wilson

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

456.0

5star

D

10.7

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

271.8

4star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.4

4star

on the back 50 help?

 

[Lach72]

Has to be Barlow doesnt it?

in terms of players I was most excited for on potential after 20 odd games it would currently have to be:
- Fyfe, Amiss, Johnson (though both need to get to 20 game qualifier obviously), Serong, Cerra, Brayshaw off the top of my head

Only 13.5 games until

 

[royale with cheese]

Watching that replay was both bizarre and exciting when the 19 year old kid gets the ball and makes everyone look ridiculous for looking so panicked

Which replay?

 

[royale with cheese]

Has to be Barlow doesnt it?

I think people were giddy about Barlow after his first preseason match against Melbourne. He was exactly what we needed at the right time. Don't think there's ever been a bigger and more immediate catalyst for improvement at Freo.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Which replay?

Just the game replay

 

[DockerDerek]

I just need to put this here....

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I don't mind the dockers struggling with lack of game experience.

But yeah... Ranked 18th in game experience on the backline sucked.

Average games per defender is 70 games.

Would Nathan Wilson on the back 50 help?

You have to question why we have this lack of experience in the 7th year of a rebuild?

Maybe trading out 2 x 100 gamers and another who was close to it at the end of last season has something to do with it. Plus the experience lost in previous years with the departure of Hill, Langdon, Neale, Hogan, etc.

 

[royale with cheese]

You have to question why we have this lack of experience in the 7th year of a rebuild?

Maybe trading out 2 x 100 gamers and another who was close to it at the end of last season has something to do with it. Plus the experience lost in previous years with the departure of Hill, Langdon, Neale, Hogan, etc.

All true, but also because the early part of the rebuild was buggered up

 

[Freomaniac]

You have to question why we have this lack of experience in the 7th year of a rebuild?

Maybe trading out 2 x 100 gamers and another who was close to it at the end of last season has something to do with it. Plus the experience lost in previous years with the departure of Hill, Langdon, Neale, Hogan, etc.

Well when you think about it..

After that 2012-15 finals period was done, that squad was an ageing squad.

As I said, look at the 2022 Elim finals win. Only 31 year old Michael Walters and 37 year old David Mundy. 18 or 19 of those blokes that played in that finals win had their 1st ever finals win In their career.

7 of them were aged 21 or under.

Come to think of it David Mundy is the only bloke from our 2006 and 2010 sides that won a final.

Then you look at the back 6 in 2012-15. Duffield and McPharlin were retired in 2015. Zac Dawson and Ibbotson retired in 2017. Then finally Lee spurr and Michael Johnson were gone in 2018.

 

[s_wd6]

You have to question why we have this lack of experience in the 7th year of a rebuild?

Maybe trading out 2 x 100 gamers and another who was close to it at the end of last season has something to do with it. Plus the experience lost in previous years with the departure of Hill, Langdon, Neale, Hogan, etc.

It’s a byproduct of our poor drafting 2011-2015 tbh. Didn’t develop enough quality long term players in that time and the ones we did left (Langdon, Weller, Neale). The guys we picked at the start of our rebuild in 2016 are on around 80-100 games. Just no one good or experienced above that. Doesn’t help that guys like Fyfe/tabs are always injured. And anyone we did have (Lobb,acres, hogan, hill) were traded in

 

[Freomaniac]

It’s a byproduct of our poor drafting 2011-2015 tbh. Didn’t develop enough quality long term players in that time and the ones we did left (Langdon, Weller, Neale). The guys we picked at the start of our rebuild in 2016 are on around 80-100 games. Just no one good or experienced above that. Doesn’t help that guys like Fyfe/tabs are always injured. And anyone we did have (Lobb,acres, hogan, hill) were traded in

I call it equalisation to be Honest.

We made finals in 2010-15. And he one year we didn't make finals was In 2011.

In 2011, we finished 13th. That should be pick 6. But that season was like pushed back to pick 12-14 because of GWS

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

You have to question why we have this lack of experience in the 7th year of a rebuild?

Maybe trading out 2 x 100 gamers and another who was close to it at the end of last season has something to do with it. Plus the experience lost in previous years with the departure of Hill, Langdon, Neale, Hogan, etc.

It’s why long term rebuilds when players have lots of freedom of movement are dumb.

You need to use every avenue at your disposal to get good fast and stay there. Otherwise players will just move on to where they perceive they can have more success.

 

[88mph]

Wilson absolutely needs to be rewarded with his form.
Wilson > Hughes
Emmett > Banfield
Erasmus > Johnson
Fyfe to sub

Wilson shouldn’t have been dropped in the first place.

Then we persisted with Wagner?

Wtf is going on with selection here.

 

[88mph]

Banfield plays every week dude

I heard he’s lined up for captain/coach 2024

 

[dropbear101]

worner features predominately in the training photos.

i reckon hes up for a crack at selection

 

[tonygeeks]

I think people were giddy about Barlow after his first preseason match against Melbourne. He was exactly what we needed at the right time. Don't think there's ever been a bigger and more immediate catalyst for improvement at Freo.

Nope

Mods turned us from a complete debacle into the laughing stock we are today

 

[freo_leo29]

It’s why long term rebuilds when players have lots of freedom of movement are dumb.

You need to use every avenue at your disposal to get good fast and stay there. Otherwise players will just move on to where they perceive they can have more success.

We tried that too, it didn't work

Hogan, hill, Wilson, Conca, lobb

 

[Taylor]

You have to question why we have this lack of experience in the 7th year of a rebuild?

Maybe trading out 2 x 100 gamers and another who was close to it at the end of last season has something to do with it. Plus the experience lost in previous years with the departure of Hill, Langdon, Neale, Hogan, etc.

The two talls either end of the ground spent considerable time injured too. The rucks and mids are arguably ahead of schedule but lack the senior bodies around them.

We traded in a half back who couldn't get a game at Geelong and a mid who couldn't get a game at GC.

Switta has been injured a lot.
O'Driscoll for about 40% of his career, injured.
Amiss for half of his.

 

[Taylor]

I would think our average games per year of age would be lower, not just our average age and experience.

Meaning those older players we have haven't played as many games as their same age peers. Even O'Meara has missed a lot of football.

 

[E Shed]

I’m preparing to lose any remaining interest in this season tomorrow when Sturt is dropped while Banfield & Hughes keep their places & we don’t reward Treacy & Wilson for excellence WAFL form.