Autopsy Round 9, 2023: Adelaide v St.Kilda *SINCLAIR 150TH*

[El HOSS]

You can make a GF with guys like Howard but you can't let them get exposed like we got them yesterday. It's not a one on one game any more. That's Carlton's issue. They want their best 22 to beat your best 22.

Playing the kids is an excellent investment anyway and should be the program. We need better players and the older guys are mostly GOPs at best. The kids look to have some real star quality about them. Phillipou, Owens and Caminiti types look like the future.

It is less and less a 1v1 game....but having a KPB who can't defend 1v1 is an absolute disaster because then players are trying to cover for them. Dougz may yet play in a PF/GF... but I doubt it'll be with this exact back 6 or 7 where we are reliant on him as the main man.

We need to be able to win or at least get close when the system fails which didn't happen yesterday across the board.

Kids the way to go....

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Paton is probably the one that really irked me. dont see it.

He's been poor this year.

He shows snippets of his form pre broken leg but they're few & far between.

Fortunately we have Jimmy ready to go now.

 

[CaptainRisky]

He has never played more than a few spurts as a mid. He's started as a high half forward and still plays that hybrid high half forward wing role running end to end wth the play. It's hard to win clearance outside the centre. Doubt he's had many centre bounce attendances in his career.

Found this years stats. He looks like we played him at 7 of 29 against the Suns but hasn't played a match where he had another CBA all year.

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He may not have had many CBA but being an up and down the ground running type he is around plenty of ball ups and throw ins , anyway i stated plenty of other reasons why i think he is limited , if you think he is going to be a played that helps us win a flag that's fine, i don't

 

[CaptainRisky]

He's improved dramatically this season.

Has more than held his spot IMO.

Had a stinker yesterday but wasn't the lone ranger there.

Yes his stats have improved but not the hurt factor , anyway we are not going to agree so lets just wait and see

 

[StCicatriz]

He's been poor this year.

He shows snippets of his form pre broken leg but they're few & far between.

Fortunately we have Jimmy ready to go now.

100%

his disposal is a big issue but beyond that his close checking is all kinds of off and the problem is it has knock on affects for everyone else around him

 

[Joffaboy]

You can make a GF with guys like Howard but you can't let them get exposed like we got them yesterday. It's not a one on one game any more. That's Carlton's issue. They want their best 22 to beat your best 22.

Playing the kids is an excellent investment anyway and should be the program. We need better players and the older guys are mostly GOPs at best. The kids look to have some real star quality about them. Phillipou, Owens and Caminiti types look like the future.

Yes indeed. Howard is not AA quality back, he is a GoP but expose him like yesterday one on one and he will get flogged. As you say not that type of game anymore. The pressure from the midfield needs to slow the inside entries to allow the players to get back. We leaked like a sieve through the guts yesterday and our backs were under tremendous and constant pressure.

You second part is something that has been forgotten with the opening successful two months. They were played out of necessity and performed wildly above expectations. Has cloaked what Lyon has said all year, a year of exploration. His plan according to what I have been told was to always look at the full list and play the youngsters.
We can look at our injuries as a 'bonus' as NWM, Pou, Owens, Hammer, Windhager etc, are getting fast tracked games into them, while, on the whole, being competitive.
It is hard not to get excited with our start to the season, but yesterday, and a lesser extent North were reality checks and our expectations must be lowered to realistic expectations.
The five I have mentioned, all look like genuine A graders, and it is something to build on for a decade.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yes his stats have improved but not the hurt factor , anyway we are not going to agree so lets just wait and see

I hope you are wrong but fear you are correct.

 

[George]

"I'm confident in the group's character... but talk is cheap."

Over to you boys.

A very disappointing result but it's games like this when Ross' 'season of exploration' comes into focus.

We'll all soon know who has the character & who doesn't.

I'd argue we already know, past decade should've taught us a lot

 

[SteeleSaints]

RTB has shown in the past that he will back the players to respond, but thinking about our team overnight he/club need to make a statement. I know it probably wont happen, but RTB needs to announce to the entire side that those type of performances are simply unacceptable. We need to drop the perpetual offenders who dont turn up when the heat is on (all supposedly senior players) - Ross, Howard and Hill. Replace with Windhager (play the rest of the season in the midfield), Cordy or Highmore (full back) and Gresham.

Our inability to maintain the intensity/pressure occurred last year with the same drop offs. The club has to draw a line in the sand and give these players a reminder they are all accountable.

 

[L_W_P]

He's been poor this year.

He shows snippets of his form pre broken leg but they're few & far between.

Fortunately we have Jimmy ready to go now.

He's playing a bit further up the ground isn't he? Trying to get a bit more involved in the play vs being a pure stopping defender.

Agree it's probably a position we need to address in the offseason given Ben's form and Webster's age.

 

[crasha301]

Agree - Sinclair needs to be in there & hopefully now Windy gets a go.

Also agree Owens & Pou should have more time in there (especially Owens - he is ready to go!) but I’m not sure either of them have the burst speed we need?

Owens is powerful though, he's able to burst through a tackle or get his arms free for a handball so the makes up for the lack of speed.

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[bird_man]

Ok lets see

That's fine , you see it your way i see it mine , I have followed and watched him very closely from the start and even back in early 2020 i was calling for him to get a game , back then he would at least get his own ball playing as a mid .
Since then hasn't improved as much as he should have being in the system another 3 years , his decision making is poor , panics, fumbles , no penetration with his kicking and now he hardly ever gets a clearance.
Happy for him to prove me wrong but even when he gets 20 odd a game he doesn't have any hurt factor, having injuries and no depth has gifted him games this year IMO

Hes playing on the wing, it's not his job to get clearances. He's also having around a 3rd of his possessions as contested so I'm not sure what you mean about at least he was winning his own footy back then. That's not bad going for a wingman.

He's been one of our most improved players this year and has been pretty solid. Needs to find consistency but for a 21/22 year old he's tracking ok. Far from our worst.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Might have to face it we’re a mob of soft draw imposters.

Maybe start him off by playing for a change so he doesn’t get thrown in at a really difficult time and have to pick up the tempo of the game immediately.
Time he got a start. Sub him out later if needed.

 

[Jesuswasacarpenter]

I'm going to cop it something fierce.

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My local publican...and half the regulars at my local pub are crows supporters...can't wait...
Update...have sampled some herbal remedy...
am going to face the music...still a happy camper.
If we make the top 4 this year, we have over achieved...bring that shit on I say... Statistics say you can get in a Granny from a top 4 spot, betterer than the other ones

 

[TheOsprey]

I don't know why Cooper Sharman is such a focal point of discussion on here.
We love to obsess over supremely ordinary football players and debate their merit in the side.

The years of Longer v Hickey (douche vs turd sandwich) will prob never be beaten though.

Cooper needs another shitman who plays in the exact same position that he can rotate in and out of the side with in order to truly cement his status in Saints folklore.

FFS we're having a pretty good year with some actual young talent on the list to get excited and talk about, we're in the top half of the table looking like a great chance at finals with genuine hope for optimism in the list. If we are to be any chance of getting to the top end of the ladder at the pointy end of the year then we need to have better depth than this guy.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't know why Cooper Sharman is such a focal point of discussion on here.
We love to obsess over supremely ordinary football players and debate their merit in the side.

The years of Longer v Hickey (douche vs turd sandwich) will prob never be beaten though.

Cooper needs another shitman who plays in the exact same position that he can rotate in and out of the side with in order to truly cement his status in Saints folklore.

FFS we're having a pretty good year with some actual young talent on the list to get excited and talk about, we're in the top half of the table looking like a great chance at finals with genuine hope for optimism in the list. If we are to be any chance of getting to the top end of the ladder at the pointy end of the year then we need to have better depth than this guy.

Not Sharman's fault Alison is always too injured to join the debate.

 

[George]

I don't know why Cooper Sharman is such a focal point of discussion on here.
We love to obsess over supremely ordinary football players and debate their merit in the side.

The years of Longer v Hickey (douche vs turd sandwich) will prob never be beaten though.

Cooper needs another shitman who plays in the exact same position that he can rotate in and out of the side with in order to truly cement his status in Saints folklore.

FFS we're having a pretty good year with some actual young talent on the list to get excited and talk about, we're in the top half of the table looking like a great chance at finals with genuine hope for optimism in the list. If we are to be any chance of getting to the top end of the ladder at the pointy end of the year then we need to have better depth than this guy.

He has shown more in the games he has played than the old crew we keep rolling out that aren't taking us to a premiership. That's the issue.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't know why Cooper Sharman is such a focal point of discussion on here.
We love to obsess over supremely ordinary football players and debate their merit in the side.

The years of Longer v Hickey (douche vs turd sandwich) will prob never be beaten though.

Cooper needs another shitman who plays in the exact same position that he can rotate in and out of the side with in order to truly cement his status in Saints folklore.

FFS we're having a pretty good year with some actual young talent on the list to get excited and talk about, we're in the top half of the table looking like a great chance at finals with genuine hope for optimism in the list. If we are to be any chance of getting to the top end of the ladder at the pointy end of the year then we need to have better depth than this guy.

You just get bored with them quickly. He was what those others are now a couple of years back. He's 22 and played 17 games. I don't know why some obsess with bagging guys who've hardly had time to come on before being canned. More likely than not players don't make it but he's shown plenty. Owens is the only one that looks certain to make the leap so far.

 

[EddieMurphy]

Arguebly those 3 things are on par with footy. But I guess that's a matter of opinion. I know one thing for sure. If you know that you need to take an in law for a meal to get yourself a root there are 2 other meal slots during the day that can be utilised if the other clashes with footy.
All I'm gathering from your original post is that you planned as well as the Saints did for Adelaide.

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Man you need to indicate some level of pisstake in your posts mate, because they read like you want to shiv the guy for not caring enough about the team.

 

[Saintbloke]

I don't know why Cooper Sharman is such a focal point of discussion on here.
We love to obsess over supremely ordinary football players and debate their merit in the side.

The years of Longer v Hickey (douche vs turd sandwich) will prob never be beaten though.

Cooper needs another shitman who plays in the exact same position that he can rotate in and out of the side with in order to truly cement his status in Saints folklore.

FFS we're having a pretty good year with some actual young talent on the list to get excited and talk about, we're in the top half of the table looking like a great chance at finals with genuine hope for optimism in the list. If we are to be any chance of getting to the top end of the ladder at the pointy end of the year then we need to have better depth than this guy.

Sharman is trying to get established in the team, yet people are full of excuses with the sh&t show our more experienced players put on against the Crows- total lack of leadership in that game.

 

[Max the great]

Man you need to indicate some level of pisstake in your posts mate, because they read like you want to shiv the guy for not caring enough about the team.

I thought the planning gag brought the light heartedness. Sorry that you didn't gauge that.
But again. No way I would ever miss a Saints game for a lunch and definitely not one with an in law.

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[pebblesofsand]

I think Paton is a bit like Membrey - struggling with the new game plan which involves trying to move the ball on more quickly.

Paton is a lock down defender - full stop. Don't need him to try and break lines.

Membrey is a goal kicking forward - if he marks the ball inside 50 he should just stop and have a shot rather than try to play on quickly which he done a few times since he came back.

 

[TheOsprey]

He has shown more in the games he has played than the old crew we keep rolling out that aren't taking us to a premiership. That's the issue.

I disagree, IMO he has shown he can kick a goal but can’t find the footy enough to use that weapon much.

Agree the old crew aren’t taking us to a premiership and we need to be recruiting with a view of these guys developing further and taking us there (Players that have the potential to be higher end and around for a while):

Coffield, Gresham, NWM, Owens, Clark, King, Windhager, Higgins, Phillipou, Battle, Caminiti.

Maybe Byrnes and Stocker.

Need to hope most of them realise their potential and we recruit really well around them.

Then IF a handful of these guys can still contribute in their 30s we’d be a chance:

Crouch, Hill, Steele, Wood, Sinclair, Marshall, Wilkie.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Well that was a s**tshow. Choosing to look at the positives:

Players:

Clark is becoming the player we knew he could be. Still a way to go. But so happy to see him get a run at it and genuinely influence games
Camaniti tries his guts out and isn't scared to hit a pack. Great find for nothing, and hard to believe he has only played half a dozen games
Higgins can frustrate the living daylights out of me, but doing his job every week
Mason Wood

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Mason Wood

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

8.3

2star

K

2.7

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

& Mitch Owens. Again!!!
Crouch kept fronting up and carried the midfield.

The rest, I just hope they respond.

Coaches:
Getting opened up properly like that will for force the coaching panel to re-evaluate our gameplan in detail. This is where it gets interesting for me. With a couple of soft games, there is every chance we turn at 8 and 3 at the middle of the season. AGAIN. I think our biggest issue with Ratts was that when things went wrong, he couldn't stop the bleeding and didnt have a plan B. Next two months will tell us if the new setup can do better. Everyong keeps saying we have much better coaches. Well, we are about to find out

When things have started to go badly, these coaches have made the same move in the midfield as Ratts & Co did. As things progressively get worse for the team, more mid responsibility is shifted to the same 3 men (Steele, Crouch and Ross). It seems to be a comfort thing for coaches to lean into the experience. For the second half of the year, I am curious if this will continue (with 75% responsibility going to these same 3 - with some small cameos). Or will we bite the bullet and see more of Clark, Owens, Pou, Gresh and Windy? Old Ross would almost certainly go the experienced route. Interested to see what Ross 2.0 does. But if I keep watching the same Steele, Crouch, Ross setup consistently for the rest of the year, I am going to get cranky.

I personally think Enright has been brilliant, and his defensive setups first class. But yesterday we got exposed. I know everyone will scream 'its the mids fault,' but there were some backline setup issues exposed yesterday too. Howard 1v1. Battle's decision making under pressure. Wilkie's size. Small forwards having too big of an influence. Over to you Corey.

 

[Sun Ra]

Over to you Corey.

Over to you Corey and RTB.