Strategy Rowey admits the club wasn’t honest at the presser

[GreyCrow]

The call would be at least partially in the court of Hass and Burton....

Give him a crystal and get him to put it in his pocket

 

[1970crow]

No I get that and you’re right these people weren’t the right people for this. The point that I’m making though is that how bad couldn’t this camp have been? Remember there has been no complaints to the AFLPA.

Clearly they were made to feel uncomfortable but unless more info comes to light they weren’t put into the kind of situations military personnel go through regularly and it takes a lot longer than a few days to ‘break a person down’.

But there were complaints to the AFLPA and they're satisfied that the club will review and improve going forward.

 

[1970crow]

Nope. If you’d been in the military you’d understand it’s relevance.

Similarities:
Suddenly being told to do something without warning or any information given.

Being put on a bus to somewhere

Sleep deprivation

Being taken out of your comfort zone / being made to feel scared to see how you’d react

Being pitted against someone else

Communal living conditions

Bastardisation / Belittling

Food rations

Having no contact with anyone outside the camp

Being made to do things you don’t want to do

Being ‘broken down’ so you’ll follow direction without question

Isn't being broken down to follow directions directly in contradiction to leading teams, leadership group empowerment and the general shift to management by consultation these days. Should a similar camp be held for the rest of the coaching group so that they're broken down under Don's leadership. It seeme very at odds with everything else we hear being preached as good practice these days.

 

[1970crow]

Mate you sound surprised.

I've posted that about Rowey for months and months. Says it like it is in the emotional heat of the moment and then gets a tap on the shoulder from the club reminding him that he's an ambassador and with that comes certain obligations.

 

[1970crow]

The call would be at least partially in the court of Hass and Burton....

Partially, but it's mostly Pyke. He watches the game, he must notice he's struggling to contribute and know the background. But we know that Pyke prefers a 60% capable player if they're experienced and it provides a continuity credit. He knows what he's doing, he knows Lynch is struggling and he selects him anyway.

 

[jenny61_99]

Surely we don't select a player with chronic fatigue who's primary weapon is hard running in a sport that requires high levels of endurance as a beginning point.

Maybe you do when the cupboard is bare? Brisbanes Lynch played through chronic fatigue if you remember.

 

[srv23]

This one time at mind camp..

....I took my flute....and played the ****ing Richmond club song.....not one I signed up for

 

[Macgruber]

Bickley is a moron sometimes.

"If the Crows get their players back they could still challenge for the premiership."

WOW, just wow

Busted bicks you said they were no chance yesterday. Now all of a sudden

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/fo...s/news-story/2feed6b12325491117522109e0d226d2

 

[1970crow]

Maybe you do when the cupboard is bare? Brisbanes Lynch played through chronic fatigue if you remember.

Couple of things very wrong with that comparison. Firstly, players weren't running the kms that they do now. Secondly, Lynch was the opposite of a hard running link man. Thirdly, Lynch missed a fair bit of footy from memory. Finally, he only returned courtesy of a drug that elevated something depleted to its natural level that was ultimately banned causing a big hoo ha.

In terms of our situation, we've had Gooch and Murphy both in the 2's while Lynch plays the invisible man. Hampton recently as well. But again, we'd rather push an experienced player to breaking point for 10 touches rather than get the same from a kid with a handful of games. It's what we did with Tex and whatever he's got and Sloane and his foot. It doesn't pay dividends on game day and provides no future benefit, but we're fully committed to the practice.

 

[1970crow]

Busted bicks you said they were no chance yesterday. Now all of a sudden

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/fo...s/news-story/2feed6b12325491117522109e0d226d2

Proof of what we already knew. If someone with twitter could post to him/club/5aa the 2 comments with a question like, "hmm, did Bicks the Ambassador get a tap on the shoulder from his other employer #objectivecomment"

 

[Sanders]

Facts ????
You’ve looked up CM on their web site

You’ve claimed you get info from the club

You have not posted one single piece of “fact” that confirmed players were not going to be contacted in case of an emergency!

You claim the GF was a result of CM but you only started looking them up in March this year

Buddy - you wouldn’t know a FACT if it jumped up and hit you in the face

Supposition, rumour and innuendo are the hallmarks of your posts

Links to a Linked In page is about as factual as you get !

This isn’t bay13

 

[Sanders]

Getting to the GF would’ve convinced them the mind training was working, losing it would’ve made them think they needed to do even more in that space which would’ve led to what happened at the camp.

*auto correct ****** me there. Meant to say would’ve led to what happened at the camp.

I think that’s probably right

They were doing happy happy chia latte yoga therapy, and then when we lost they decided they needed to go all hearts of darkness and channel their inner Scorsese into some poorly conceived and executed camp

I don’t think that experience was or would have been so traumatic compared to the real military stuff that White Goodman and the Globo gym doofuses we’re trying to mimic, but it does sever trust.

That’s what damage it has done, it has eroded trust in the club and authority from some of the players; if you’re not getting buy in you have no chance of getting high performance

 

[Mike Smyth]

Busted bicks you said they were no chance yesterday. Now all of a sudden

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/fo...s/news-story/2feed6b12325491117522109e0d226d2

Used to be one of my favourite players but after listening to him for the last 2 days his obedience to the AFC is pathetic. Kill 'em All".

 

[Interloperer]

Finally, he only returned courtesy of a drug that elevated something depleted to its natural level that was ultimately banned causing a big hoo ha.

If I remember correctly the drug was unbanned by WADA so he started using it, but the AFL was using an old banned drug list which still had it banned. Thus the various dramas.

 

[jenny61_99]

If I remember correctly the drug was unbanned by WADA so he started using it, but the AFL was using an old banned drug list which still had it banned. Thus the various dramas.

Now they have things like a TUE that would allow him to use it.

 

[mattymac]

However the real reason for our poor year will remain. Incompetent head of High Performance and Head of Football.

Can only persist under the umbrella of an incompetent CEO

 

[mattymac]

These idiots are going to do everything possible to fall into the 8 and get a shit draft pick despite already royally rooting our season up the Khyber Pass.

 

[Sanders]

If I remember correctly the drug was unbanned by WADA so he started using it, but the AFL was using an old banned drug list which still had it banned. Thus the various dramas.

No. It was prescribed and he couldn’t play. Then the AFL granted him an exemption on medical grounds

It was a steroid of some sort

 

[subaru]

This isn’t bay13

My point remains
CM was not slammed until this year and after this camp

Hindsight claiming it lost us the GF firstly gives it more credit than it deserves

 

[CrowinNT]

“IF”

Don’t make me quote my Spartan story again !

Yes
And I conceded the fitness dept needs a review. Burton’s position has probably become untenable but supporters ranting and raving, threatening boycotts and starting up shit like “give us answers “ is counterproductive and frankly, embarrassing. Look at what it’s become on twitter :

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/WeWantAnswersAFC?src=hashtag_click

Although the Talia’s cat one was funny

Just read the WeWantAnswers absolute gold

Okay who on here enquired about the sauce being kept in the pantry or fridge ?

and
"Can you ask Elspeth to unblock me"

 

[subaru]

Just read the WeWantAnswers absolute gold

Okay who on here enquired about the sauce being kept in the pantry or fridge ?

and
"Can you ask Elspeth to unblock me"

There’s some rippers

“Who let the dogs out ?”

Lol

 

[mistylake]

That’s exactly right. If I’d known that I’d have to suffer through the kind of abuse that I did I never would’ve joined.

I’ve not been in any military. Do you think what they put you and probably most military recruits through to be rational or are they just being arseholes?
Theoretically military people have to be prepared to lay down their lives so extreme measures seem needed to achieve this.
Youth must be getting softer with all the mollycoddling of them.

 

[GreyCrow]

I’ve not been in any military. Do you think what they put you and probably most military recruits through to be rational or are they just being arseholes?
Theoretically military people have to be prepared to lay down their lives so extreme measures seem needed to achieve this.
Youth must be getting softer with all the mollycoddling of them.

You are in a business where you may have to kill people. Most people in everyday situations cant or wont do it.

The idea behind the breaking down is based on 2 fronts. That you will do exactly as you are told by the people who have been yelling at you for your entire service. So that in a life and death situation you react to the external voice and not your internal voice saying this is wrong

It also creates a hostage bond with your fellow recruits and you feel compelled , with the only bit of humanity not drilled out of you . to protect and look after your fellow hostages

 

[Roovolution]

I’ve not been in any military. Do you think what they put you and probably most military recruits through to be rational or are they just being arseholes?
Theoretically military people have to be prepared to lay down their lives so extreme measures seem needed to achieve this.
Youth must be getting softer with all the mollycoddling of them.

Good question.

Surface ship culture is different to submarines. They are more laid back and from those I’ve met you’ll find fewer assholes.

Submarines are the ultimate boys club. Bullying, sexism, double standards are rife. Basically anything goes. The way you’re treated isn’t about them trying to weed out the weak or toughen you up etc.

There are a lot of people in this world who if you give them power over other people they’ll abuse that power to satisfy their own ego. Submariners are regarded as elite and that means you also have people who have massive egos and they love to go around letting everyone know how farkin good they think they are.

This leads to unchecked abuse which very rarely gets reported and or acted upon. People turn a blind eye to it because ‘that’s just the way it is’. The Navy in particular have tried to change this culture launching ‘New Generation Navy’ which says all the right things but ultimately has done little.

There are very few mentors and too many bullies with big egos running their own personal agendas to screw over people they don’t like and move up the ladder.

Sorry I ended up having a bit of a rant. In short no it’s not about the greater good it’s about personal agendas. I will say though that military personnel go through and put up with things that civvies just wouldn’t do. You read about incidents of workplace harassment in the civilian world and those ‘petty’ things are everyday occurrences in the military. It’s laughable.

 

[Roovolution]

My point remains
CM was not slammed until this year and after this camp

Hindsight claiming it lost us the GF firstly gives it more credit than it deserves

Just like it being blamed for the Melbourne loss because they showed up at the club at that particular time.