Admin Notice S37 Rules & Tribunal Thread

[Elton Johns Wig]

put some clothes on tough guy.

Great diversion from the fact the Bombers couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

 

[Kilroy]

Great diversion from the fact the Bombers couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

Au contraire.

Bovo has some impeccable contacts in the drinks department.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

I actually don't think 9 hours is at all reasonable, given people's various timezones, rosters etc. I suspect I log on more than most and even I would comfortably go 9 hours or more at a time without signing in.



Unless Pugsley somehow has committee access alongside Jabba73, Pugs being around at that time isn’t relevant

Maybe it’s time to reinstate the backups or even better, move that thread out of the commitee so there’s a better chance that someone sees it

“Ample Time” should be changed to 24 hours if it’s remaining a committee -only thread with just one rep per club, and 12 hours if moved

MWPP, with all due respect, this has nothing to do with backups. This isn't a committee issue. This is a deadline issue.

For a teamsheet. In the teamsheet thread.

All clubs have LGs.

The committee rep for the Bombers who was notified ALSO posted in the thread last night.



This just got missed.

 

[MWPP]

MWPP, with all due respect, this has nothing to do with backups. This isn't a committee issue. This is a deadline issue.

For a teamsheet. In the teamsheet thread.

All clubs have LGs.

The committee rep for the Bombers who was notified ALSO posted in the thread last night.



This just got missed.

It actually has everything to do with it because you keep citing LG size , but again that’s irrelevant . Sure other LG members can certainly post a team sheet if the captain isn’t around but with the thread being in the committee, how are they supposed to know about the need for a suspension - related update unless they can see the thread? It would be a deadline issue if no team was submitted, but that wasn’t the case. It was the update that was missed.

Even if Jabba73 did post , there have been times when tags haven’t gone through . With the Bigfooty outages recently that is not outside the realm of possibility . I do acknowledge that Jabba posting has some relevance (unlike Pugsley posting) but the 9 hour window being unreasonable still stands.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

It actually has everything to do with it because you keep citing LG size , but again that’s irrelevant .

It's not irrelevant at all.

(Active) LG's generally have a pretty good handle of what is going on.

I've been in LG's since S24 and in my experience, they're generally across almost everything.



Maybe there are too many at the Bombers and they're complacent?

 

[MWPP]

It's not irrelevant at all.

(Active) LG's generally have a pretty good handle of what is going on.

I've been in LG's since S24 and in my experience, they're generally across almost everything.



Maybe there are too many at the Bombers and they're complacent?

Again how are they meant to know what’s going on if they don’t have access to it?

Your last line gives away that this is some combination of because it’s the Bombers and creating theatre out of boredom whilst throwing common sense out of the window.

 

[Cadsky]

Again how are they meant to know what’s going on if they don’t have access to it?

Your last line gives away that this is some combination of because it’s the Bombers and creating theatre out of boredom whilst throwing common sense out of the window.

I mean that's the sfa way. It's what makes this place so great

 

[Mobbs]

On one hand yes its on Committee Rep to notice an advice and to be in communication with LG, but on the other hand I think it would be better if all LG members could be notified, as having only 1 Committee Rep, if they are otherwise occupied then the advice runs aground before it even gets to LG. In lieu of having a backup rep, can an Admin create a full LG convo for each team, as "no reply" just for advices?
Also its potentially really only 6 hours not 9 cos 3 of those hours are in the middle of the night when only the westerners are awake.

Even if Jabba73 did post , there have been times when tags haven’t gone through . With the Bigfooty outages recently that is not outside the realm of possibility . I do acknowledge that Jabba posting has some relevance (unlike Pugsley posting) but the 9 hour window being unreasonable still stands.

Alerts don't even work on my phone. The last alert I have is from August last year. I can only read them when back at my PC of an evening. I can manually check each thread but I won't see tags when out.

 

[Cadsky]

I'm just going to confer with the cabal 7 and I will be back with our decision shortly

 

[MWPP]

The other issue here is the interpretation/implementation of what ample time means, has suddenly changed without notice. And from what I’ve seen, the wording of the tag didn’t specify 3 games including this weekend’s game , perhaps because the mod themselves reasonably felt that it would apply starting from next weekend.

On one hand yes its on Committee Rep to notice an advice and to be in communication with LG, but on the other hand I think it would be better if all LG members could be notified, as having only 1 Committee Rep, if they are otherwise occupied then the advice runs aground before it even gets to LG. In lieu of having a backup rep, can an Admin create a full LG convo for each team, as "no reply" just for advices?
Also its potentially really only 6 hours not 9 cos 3 of those hours are in the middle of the night when only the westerners are awake.


Alerts don't even work on my phone. The last alert I have is from August last year. I can only read them when back at my PC of an evening. I can manually check each thread but I won't see tags when out.

Given the short notice, a PM to the LG would’ve been a reasonable course of action if the intention really was for a last minute change (again, a deviation from the more sensible recent interpretation). Even your 6 hour figure is an overestimate for people on AEDT as that assumes people aren’t just awake, but actually signed in, at midnight.

I agree with this last part too, and add that I spend most of my time from Bigfooty from a phone and have similar issues with tags from time to time . I am far more likely to see a PM in a timely manner.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Again how are they meant to know what’s going on if they don’t have access to it?

Your last line gives away that this is some combination of because it’s the Bombers and creating theatre out of boredom whilst throwing common sense out of the window.

I posed a question about maybe how it was missed. It’s not because it’s the Bombers.

Thats preposterous. That’s not how I roll.

Be it the OOBs, the Warriors, the Bears or the Bombers, my reading of the situation would be the same.

I do hope you know this.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

And “throwing common sense out the window”.

Wow.

 

[MWPP]

I posed a question about maybe how it was missed. It’s not because it’s the Bombers.

Thats preposterous. That’s not how I roll.

Be it the OOBs, the Warriors, the Bears or the Bombers, my reading of the situation would be the same.

I do hope you know this.

Your own speculation about how/why it was missed makes little sense and you keep ignoring the question of how they’re supposed to know. I threw in the Bombers part because I knew you’d respond to it and deny it, but I hoped you’d address the other points more alongside.

In any case the backup system was quietly removed without a vote or any discussion , and this is partly a consequence of that. There’s also little reason for the ban thread to be in the committee rather than outside of it if the ample time interpretation is going to be cut down.

What is your take on ample time moving forward by the way?

 

[MWPP]

And “throwing common sense out the window”.

Wow.

You applied it by letting other infringements which weren’t so grey (ie no room for interpretation of phrases like “ample time”) earlier and have suddenly stopped using it, so yep

And “throwing common sense out the window”.

Wow.

You asked for controversy not long ago

Hopefully this thread is giving you some

 

[Cadsky]

Your own speculation about how/why it was missed makes little sense and you keep ignoring the question of how they’re supposed to know. I threw in the Bombers part because I knew you’d respond to it and deny it, but I hoped you’d address the other points more alongside.

In any case the backup system was quietly removed without a vote or any discussion , and this is partly a consequence of that. There’s also little reason for the ban thread to be in the committee rather than outside of it if the ample time interpretation is going to be cut down.

What is your take on ample time moving forward by the way?

The answer to this is pretty simple imo, to stop a SFA free for all when a ban gets issued.

 

[MWPP]

The answer to this is pretty simple imo, to stop a SFA free for all when a ban gets issued.

It could be a thread like the team sheet one where any response to it gets deleted.

In any case, if the ample time is going to be cut down, the thread either needs to be public or the LG should be PM’d as Mobbs suggested as it’s unreasonable to expect a last minute change as it relies on the factors outlined above

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Your own speculation about how/why it was missed makes little sense and you keep ignoring the question of how they’re supposed to know. I threw in the Bombers part because I knew you’d respond to it and deny it, but I hoped you’d address the other points more alongside.

In any case the backup system was quietly removed without a vote or any discussion , and this is partly a consequence of that. There’s also little reason for the ban thread to be in the committee rather than outside of it if the ample time interpretation is going to be cut down.

What is your take on ample time moving forward by the way?

what is my take on ample time?

Jabba73 was notified just after 5pm, there was 9 hrs to go until deadline.

Jabba posted in the match thread 3 hrs later, with still 6 hrs to deadline.

Jabba, being in the LG, could have changed the teamsheet at any time.

Even if he didn’t see it at 5pm, he’s on at 8pm with 6 hrs to go. And active.

That’s ample time.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

It could be a thread like the team sheet one where any response to it gets deleted.

In any case, if the ample time is going to be cut down, the thread either needs to be public or the LG should be PM’d as Mobbs suggested as it’s unreasonable to expect a last minute change as it relies on the factors outlined above

How is the ample time cut down?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

You applied it by letting other infringements which weren’t so grey (ie no room for interpretation of phrases like “ample time”) earlier and have suddenly stopped using it, so yep


You asked for controversy not long ago

Hopefully this thread is giving you some

This isn’t controversial. It’s basic team management.

Something I am 100% sure you wouldn’t stuff up.

 

[MWPP]

what is my take on ample time?

Jabba73 was notified just after 5pm, there was 9 hrs to go until deadline.

Jabba posted in the match thread 3 hrs later, with still 6 hrs to deadline.

Jabba, being in the LG, could have changed the teamsheet at any time.

Even if he didn’t see it at 5pm, he’s on at 8pm with 6 hrs to go. And active.

That’s ample time.

You’re still assuming the alert went through
Both Mobbs and I have mentioned that sometimes they unfortunately don’t go through

Yes there’s an onus on reps to check the committee regularly /manually (I used to to this) but regularly is daily or at most twice daily not every hour etc

This isn’t controversial. It’s basic team management.

Something I am 100% sure you wouldn’t stuff up.

And fortunately whilst I never stuffed up a team sheet my teammates also didn’t have the habit of getting suspended so the need for a last minute change was never a factor .

How is the ample time cut down?

KP seemed to allow Thursday suspensions to be implemented from the next week onwards , so relative to that, it has been cut down

 

[Senor M]

To be fair to Pugsley he did remember to remove the banned Bomber from the starting team. What are the odds that there’s two banned bombers in the one week?

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

What are the odds that there’s two banned bombers in the one week?

Very high clearly

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Weren’t the rules changed to make the submission deadline WA time and you’re still an incompetent member of an LG??

 

[Senor M]

I’m not the one who didn’t support my captain when they messed up a team sheet

 

[gab213]

KP seemed to allow Thursday suspensions to be implemented from the next week onwards , so relative to that, it has been cut down

This is 100% correct, my understanding was that if it happened early in the week the player had to be out for that week, if it happened on the Thursday the suspension from the SFA could start from the following week.

I remember it happening in s35 and I messaged KP who advised that it could start from the following week, there was no need to change an already submitted team sheet.

This wasn't raised as a Bomber issue, I questioned the concept of 'ample time'. It's also somewhat confusing if the way this situation is dealt differs to how it was dealt with previously.

MWPP is also correct in saying it was better when we had the spares, on several occasions Jabba73 would log in late in the evening and I would see what was happening and on quite a few occasions KP would message me when he needed certain things from us.

EJW, you say that people are incompetent, I disagree. I don't think that is at all a Bomber issue here as you attempting to make it. Maybe you should be proactive in making it easier to comply rather than setting people up to fail.

I think its quite reasonable to say that if something is advised on the day team sheets are submitted then a suspension from games can start the next week, anything before that and the person is not to be named in the current week's teamsheet. One clear day gives people a reasonable amount of time.