Admin Notice S37 Rules & Tribunal Thread

[AnUltimateRessie]

There were actually several of these leading into the deadline, but some scrambling from the savvier clubs stopped this from being more entertaining.

shout out to the warriors

 

[ClarkeM]

Let's start with the slam dunk, since this happens every season with the rookies.

Is it true tiger that there’s more to come!?

 

[serial_thrilla]

Is it true tiger that there’s more to come!?

Squad deadline only comes twice a year. We mustn't rush the enjoyment.

 

[ClarkeM]

Squad deadline only comes twice a year. We mustn't rush the enjoyment.

For now…

 

[serial_thrilla]

por_please_ya Callums_Guns - now don't think I'm done with you yet. Don't go anywhere.

 

[por_please_ya]

Oh ffs. I don't have time for this bullshit.

 

[serial_thrilla]

Oh ffs. I don't have time for this bullshit.

This actually requires very little time on your part if you just accept the clearly defined punishment.

 

[por_please_ya]

When you have had family members pass away this stuff pales in comparison mate. Sorry, but that's the truth.

 

[serial_thrilla]

When you have had family members pass away this stuff pales in comparison mate. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[por_please_ya]

I'm sorry for your loss.

Thank you.

I'll start whipping the team I guess.

 

[Cadsky]

When you have had family members pass away this stuff pales in comparison mate. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Sorry to hear it porps. I hope you are ok.

Now send in your subordinate Callums_Guns

 

[por_please_ya]

Sorry to hear it porps. I hope you are ok.

Now send in your subordinate Callums_Guns

Thanks mate.

Think he's awol at the minute.

 

[Kilroy]

When you have had family members pass away this stuff pales in comparison mate. Sorry, but that's the truth.

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

I come back and you haven't put anymore? C'mon serial_thrilla. Speed it up a bit.

 

[serial_thrilla]

I come back and you haven't put anymore? C'mon serial_thrilla. Speed it up a bit.

Okay, I'll do another one. But it may actually require some thought and interpretation from the Committee. Which is always a risky prospect.

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

Okay, I'll do another one. But it may actually require some thought and interpretation from the Committee. Which is always a risky prospect.

might need someone to sit on the committee for me then

 

[ClarkeM]

Okay, I'll do another one. But it may actually require some thought and interpretation from the Committee. Which is always a risky prospect.

Interesting

 

[serial_thrilla]

So we started off with rookies being listed on squad submissions without posting on the sub-forum prior. Now let's delve deeper into...RETURNING players: those that have been on a Sweet list in the distant past, but have been "convinced" to return (or have they?).

Once again we return to Rule 4D and off-season free agency:

4D) Free Agency

Off-Season

Free agency occurs between seasons from the earlier of; the elimination of your team from finals or the conclusion of the grand final to squad submission date. Free agents may only be signed with permission. Player movement between clubs is unrestricted with permission of the player. The onus is on the club that is making the signing to be able to, upon request, present evidence of the permission being granted within the free agency period. Instances where a signing is disputed or there is no public evidence of the player's commitment to the club can be subject to such requests.

Players who are new to the league signed during the offseason are required to make a post on the main Sweet FA forum confirming their participation with their club before officially being added to the squad.

Any player movement not specified in the rules is not considered legal. In the event of uncertainty, the club must contact the administrator for consideration with the committee.

What is important here is how we define a "new" player. Is it exclusively a rookie, or are "returning" players grouped in with this too? Because certainly the spirit of the rule would surely be considered the latter. The rule is there to prevent players being signed up to the league without their express consent - and why would we not afford former players this same protection?

Indeed former players are treated exactly the same as new players for In-Season free agency:

In-Season
...
New/Returning Players

The official process for signing players during the season under the new/returning category is that a player who posts an intention to join the league, by posting in the signup thread during a season, will be required to complete the Application form as below...

So what happens here? There are three options in my opinion:

1. leave the rules exactly as they are with the acceptance that returning players are considered separate to new players, and deserve no protection from unconsented listing.
2. change the rules so it clearly states that both new and returning players need to post prior to being listed in a squad via off-season free agency. Any current breaches would need to be rectified immediately.
3. accept that the rules are clear enough as is, and charge the following teams with rule breaches:

Hawks, for signing boncer34.
Hawks, for signing vanders.
Hawks, for signing reggie.
Hawks, for signing A Bit Dusty.

Over to you, Committee & Friends.

Elton Johns Wig por_please_ya Callums_Guns

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

 

[Kilroy]

So we started off with rookies being listed on squad submissions without posting on the sub-forum prior. Now let's delve deeper into...RETURNING players: those that have been on a Sweet list in the distant past, but have been "convinced" to return (or have they?).

Once again we return to Rule 4D and off-season free agency:

4D) Free Agency

Off-Season

Free agency occurs between seasons from the earlier of; the elimination of your team from finals or the conclusion of the grand final to squad submission date. Free agents may only be signed with permission. Player movement between clubs is unrestricted with permission of the player. The onus is on the club that is making the signing to be able to, upon request, present evidence of the permission being granted within the free agency period. Instances where a signing is disputed or there is no public evidence of the player's commitment to the club can be subject to such requests.

Players who are new to the league signed during the offseason are required to make a post on the main Sweet FA forum confirming their participation with their club before officially being added to the squad.

Any player movement not specified in the rules is not considered legal. In the event of uncertainty, the club must contact the administrator for consideration with the committee.

What is important here is how we define a "new" player. Is it exclusively a rookie, or are "returning" players grouped in with this too? Because certainly the spirit of the rule would surely be considered the latter. The rule is there to prevent players being signed up to the league without their express consent - and why would we not afford former players this same protection?

Indeed former players are treated exactly the same as new players for In-Season free agency:

In-Season
...
New/Returning Players

The official process for signing players during the season under the new/returning category is that a player who posts an intention to join the league, by posting in the signup thread during a season, will be required to complete the Application form as below...

So what happens here? There are three options in my opinion:

1. leave the rules exactly as they are with the acceptance that returning players are considered separate to new players, and deserve no protection from unconsented listing.
2. change the rules so it clearly states that both new and returning players need to post prior to being listed in a squad via off-season free agency. Any current breaches would need to be rectified immediately.
3. accept that the rules are clear enough as is, and charge the following teams with rule breaches:

Hawks, for signing boncer34.
Hawks, for signing vanders.
Hawks, for signing reggie.
Hawks, for signing A Bit Dusty.

Over to you, Committee & Friends.

Elton Johns Wig por_please_ya Callums_Guns

serial_thrilla right now

 

[serial_thrilla]

Oh. And this obvious one, with Demons' phantom acquisition appearing on the INs, but not the actual squad:




As per Rule 4B:

4B) Squad Changes

Any changes to the previous season's final squad must be listed in the current season's initial squad submission denoting the additions as "INs" and subtractions as "OUTs".

If a change is required to a team list for any addition or subtraction it must be noted in a post in the current season's squad submission thread.

The change must include alteration to both the player list, and the list of any additions ("Ins") and subtractions ("Outs")

The initial squad submission must be altered (preferred) or re-posted (if original poster unavailable) to reflect these changes.

Once initiated, squad changes are only considered complete once both of these above actions have been carried out concurrently.

Any players involved in squad changes are unable to be named in a team sheet for the new team until a valid change has been completed.

Any players that have closed or permanently banned accounts are not considered to be active and therefore those players must be removed from the submitted squad and the squad minimum criteria must still be met.

A player may only have one account as a listed player in the Sweet FA. No aliases allowed. A minimum 8 game suspension applies for a breach. Alias accounts may be used in a joking manner in media and match threads only, any alias accounts posting in a sign up thread will be considered a breach.

Failure to adhere to these Rules will be punished under Sec[6] of these Rules, as determined by the Administrator


And a very obvious Minor Offence for the Demons:

6B) Minor Offence

The following list of offences will result in a Strike under a 'Three-Strike Policy'. Which is outlined below:

1. Official Warning
2. 1-game suspension to the captain, if there are multiple captains at a club, the captain of the offending club will be randomly selected for suspension.
3. 2 point deduction, plus a 2-game suspension for the captain (if there are multiple captains at a club, the captain of the offending club will be randomly selected for suspension)

• Incorrect squad changes as per 4B

Throw the book at them Elton Johns Wig.

manangatang

 

[serial_thrilla]

Oh, and I'm not done. But let's catch our breath for a little bit.

 

[DenieD]

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Ok, One and three look open and shut.

The second one I'm not so sure, I think you're reaching there, but we'll see.

Will jump on tonight after dinner and get involved, can hardly wait.

 

[Cadsky]

So we started off with rookies being listed on squad submissions without posting on the sub-forum prior. Now let's delve deeper into...RETURNING players: those that have been on a Sweet list in the distant past, but have been "convinced" to return (or have they?).

Once again we return to Rule 4D and off-season free agency:

4D) Free Agency

Off-Season

Free agency occurs between seasons from the earlier of; the elimination of your team from finals or the conclusion of the grand final to squad submission date. Free agents may only be signed with permission. Player movement between clubs is unrestricted with permission of the player. The onus is on the club that is making the signing to be able to, upon request, present evidence of the permission being granted within the free agency period. Instances where a signing is disputed or there is no public evidence of the player's commitment to the club can be subject to such requests.

Players who are new to the league signed during the offseason are required to make a post on the main Sweet FA forum confirming their participation with their club before officially being added to the squad.

Any player movement not specified in the rules is not considered legal. In the event of uncertainty, the club must contact the administrator for consideration with the committee.

What is important here is how we define a "new" player. Is it exclusively a rookie, or are "returning" players grouped in with this too? Because certainly the spirit of the rule would surely be considered the latter. The rule is there to prevent players being signed up to the league without their express consent - and why would we not afford former players this same protection?

Indeed former players are treated exactly the same as new players for In-Season free agency:

In-Season
...
New/Returning Players

The official process for signing players during the season under the new/returning category is that a player who posts an intention to join the league, by posting in the signup thread during a season, will be required to complete the Application form as below...

So what happens here? There are three options in my opinion:

1. leave the rules exactly as they are with the acceptance that returning players are considered separate to new players, and deserve no protection from unconsented listing.
2. change the rules so it clearly states that both new and returning players need to post prior to being listed in a squad via off-season free agency. Any current breaches would need to be rectified immediately.
3. accept that the rules are clear enough as is, and charge the following teams with rule breaches:

Hawks, for signing boncer34.
Hawks, for signing vanders.
Hawks, for signing reggie.
Hawks, for signing A Bit Dusty.

Over to you, Committee & Friends.

Elton Johns Wig por_please_ya Callums_Guns

I do believe the wording needs to be adjusted here to save any ambiguity moving forward. However it's obvious enough that a returning player should fall under the exact same sign up rules as a new player. IMO they are a new player, having not been on a list immediately prior to being signed.