Injury SACK DOCTORS 1 - CTE

[Portology]

So the app must have said bob's your uncle and no need for for a SCAT5. From page 5 ie the page before the multi times copied page 6, into this thread.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2023/03/12/134a48f5-9206-4dd4-b88b-426dd1ea7b31/AFL-and-AFLW-Concussion-Guidelines-March-2023-FINAL-.pdf

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Thanks REH. Gee I hate people who write processes, it's enough to give me a bloody migraine.

Not the first protocol written (by one of their own, with lawyers sniffing the ink?) with ambiguity/leeway for the responsible attending professional.

Let's poke the process a bit and see what pops out.

A quick (by design) screening is not a formal diagnosis, so what does "should be used (with)" the (I guess) more comprehensive/time consuming SCAT5 mean in practice? If HIA says OK, doc makes an on the spot call whether to use SCAT5? In theory they should feel no conflict or pressure ruling a player out. In practice, humans under perceived time pressure, with mortgages, who grew up in their framework of what is/isn't OK make different errors of bias... objectively ("by the numbers") and subjectively (what's "OK" to them on the spectrum of consensus). It's not like they get to spend hours practicing this skill like um, goal kicking...

"...and clinical judgement" the final catch-all, you'd think means "even if they pass HIA or SCAT5, you get the final call, doc". So they get that first call too, whether to go to SCAT5 or not. Should maybe should be must there? AFL doesn't necessarily need the extra expense of independent docs at each game, but it could remove a few more degrees of freedom from the club docs currently delegated to assessing head clashes.

 

[Del165198]

You don't have to lose conciousness to be concussed. It might be a sign, but just because Selwood hasn't been knocked out cold doesn't mean he hasn't suffered repeat concussions.

Oh he probably has, and it's hard to feel sympathy if he has issues because he made an entire career of deliberately ducking into high contact, such that the AFL actually had to change the rules.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Wonder why they filmed Aliir walking all the way to the clubrooms? Maybe hoping he would faint?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Dr Murphy has weighed in

Did whichever Crows list manager who agreed to give this spud a two year extension also get a concussion test?

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[DaBarz]

Now watch the back tracking.
Embarrassing.

 

[2121]

Sack the doctor on the spot.

 

[JimmyBC]

Oh look Chadwiko is here instead of trolling JHF on the main board.

 

[DaBarz]

“The club has decided to” enter both players into the concussion protocols.

Yeah
Sure
Rite

This IS a sackable offence - I’m hoping it was Ken’s directive to get him back on.

 

[buttons91]

This game gets even worse for your mob. Embarrassing. Even more embarrassing that even simple minded people on TV could see this was an issue yet the docs can't. Of course you have to question the doctors. Poor

 

[theouthouse]

Good.

Could easily be a delayed concussion, but I do doubt that.

Fair to say both shouldn't be playing for at least a few weeks after that clash.

 

[jenny61_99]

I seriously hope both your players will be ok. This is such a shitty way to treat them. They both deserved better.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I wonder if these crows supporters showing concern for our players had the same concern when their players were tormented in the off season camp.

 

[Willsy10]

I seriously hope both your players will be ok. This is such a shitty way to treat them. They both deserved better.

Thanks for your concern for our club and players.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The doctor has conceded he should have done a SCAT5 on Aliir in the press release.

On SM-G975F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Wargreymon90]

The doctor has conceded he should have done a SCAT5 on Aliir in the press release.

On SM-G975F using BigFooty.com mobile app

That’s not good enough. Every club doctor in the afl would have done one.

 

[JimmyBC]

I seriously hope both your players will be ok. This is such a shitty way to treat them. They both deserved better.

The indigenous players at the crows probably deserve better than the continued employment of a racist bogan full forward.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Disgusting and embarrassing. Mark Fisher cannot still have a job by the end of the week.

 

[Malibu#27]

The doctor has conceded he should have done a SCAT5 on Aliir in the press release.

On SM-G975F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Also seems to indicate one was dne post game, and a second for Jones which they both passed.



The last line is the bit that I suspect the club will cop a fine for

 

[jenny61_99]

I wonder if these crows supporters showing concern for our players had the same concern when their players were tormented in the off season camp.

Are we not allowed to show concern? If you read our game day thread during the game, you would have seen plenty of us sickened by the clash and mortified when Aliir came back out in under ten minutes. You guys were the same yourself. This is bigger than club rivalries… this is people’s lives! We’ve lost Paul Seedsman for the last two seasons (and possibly forever) because if an innocuous knock in a pre season training session. That hit on Saturday night, was shocking.

 

[TazD]

Sack the doc, sack Koch, and sack Hinkley. They've made us a laughing stock (again) and more importantly have put Aliirs health in jeopardy.

 

[jenny61_99]

The indigenous players at the crows probably deserve better than the continued employment of a racist bogan full forward.

You must have missed both Milera and McAdam warmly embracing Tex at least 7 times throughout the match, yeah? I’d say if they’ve forgiven him, perhaps you should too?

 

[Lagooner]

Lawyer up boys.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Will the 'a lOt oF aRmChAiR dOcTorS oN hErE' crowd come out, apologise and admit they were wrong now?

 

[Ports1870]

Don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist…

But I can’t see how a doctor, whose job security has no relation to the performance of the team would make the decision to send Aliir back on.
I just think that football staff had to be involved in this decison, as Aliir is probably our most important player.

Coincidentally, who is the most senior person at the club and where does he sit on GameDay…