Opinion Sack Hinkley 6 - Kochblocked

[Lagooner]

All I keep hearing from the Hinkley apologists is "you were on your knees" when he arrived and "he got you up off the canvas". So 10 years later, he deserves to stay? When does his reward for the resurrection of our club expire exactly?

If he stays next year, the cycle continues, i.e. we make the finals, 2 year extension, miss finals, make finals, 2 year extension and so on and so forth. I don't want that.

Even when we were “on our knees” we still didn’t collect a spoon. How the actual f@&k has our brief time near the bottom, over 10 years ago, had so much emphasis placed on it above and beyond all the other teams that actually did finish last since?

 

[Andre]

2011 was obviously diabolical.

If you look back at the losses from 2012, the margins aren't that huge. The team was regularly competitive for 3/4 before losing steam in the last.

Kenny has been in charge of plenty of 40+ point losses with far more resources at his disposal.

Primus wasn't premiership coach material, but 2011 - 2012 we were 3 - 5 games lost on fitness. How many times were we in it or ahead at half time, only to run out of legs? We were mocked for our lack of fitness by players from other clubs.

 

[PowerBaz]

No expense will be spared to track down this dangerous criminal
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I opted out of the fingerprinting option for my membership.

 

[Willsy10]

would be funny if who ever did this has another sticker to do it again overnight tonight.

 

[edgie]

Primus wasn't premiership coach material, but 2011 - 2012 we were 3 - 5 games lost on fitness. How many times were we in it or ahead at half time, only to run out of legs? We were mocked for our lack of fitness by players from other clubs.

And injuries.

Losing a prime Jay Schulz for large parts of both years was a big blow.

At the very least, we beat Gold Coast with Schulz playing. He probably kicks a bag.

 

[Loony Juice]

The FB brigade were not happy with the Sack Hinkley sticker. Hilarious that it made the news though.

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This actually confused me.
Where in the fuuck do these morons actually see the club right now?
At it's best or worst?
Hhmm.

 

[Loony Juice]

would be funny if who ever did this has another sticker to do it again overnight tonight.

Be aware there may be 'trail cams' set up in the area to record any attempts to do so

 

[El_Scorcho]

Acknowledge your point but Ken has had 10 years to draft or recruit a premiership caliber team.

If the club is blaming the players for our losses then isn’t that an indictment on the coach and recruiting department for not picking the right ones over the past decade?

Also, our list wasn’t too far off when Ken came on board. Peak Schulz, Boak, Wingard, Gray, Westhoff, Ebert and Monfries plus a young Wines and could have beens Hartlett and Trengove. The core was there with enough second class talent in players like Lobbe, White and Hombsch.

It’s easy to forget the quality we had when it was a decade ago.

Agree. The argument that the list wasn't good enough simply doesn't hold water.

In 2014 we lost to Hawthorn by 3 points in the PF. We beat them earlier in 2014 and then twice in 2015. They weren't head and shoulders above us, they just executed better when it mattered.

In 2020 we lost to Richmond by 6 points in the PF. We beat them earlier in 2020 and then early in 2021. They weren't head and shoulders above us, they just executed better when it mattered.

The list was good enough if they were coached correctly and prepared for those games.

 

[Loony Juice]

Even when we were “on our knees” we still didn’t collect a spoon. How the actual f@&k has our brief time near the bottom, over 10 years ago, had so much emphasis placed on it above and beyond all the other teams that actually did finish last since?

'on our knees'

Appropriate place for the stinkley lovers in more ways than one

 

[Rexie J]

No expense will be spared to track down this dangerous criminal
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Who would be checking for fingerprints?

I seriously doubt the police would have any reason and or interest in dusting for prints.

 

[tribey]

The only players who remain on our list from when Hinkley took over for the 2013 season are Boak, Gray, Clurey and Wines. We didn't get the priority picks or the access to players that these two clubs did to rebuild the list properly when Hinkley took over due to the addition of Gold Coast and GWS to the competition, and it showed in the performances of the team. There was no premiership in the list that Ken inherited in 2012.

These retrospectives from you are utterly baffling, not least because you predicted us to finish top year after year after year across this span. But, on day one Ken’s list featured:

Travis Boak
Robbie Gray
Chad Wingard
Ollie Wines
Tom Jonas
Brad Ebert
Hamish Hartlett
Matthew Broadbent
Justin Westhoff
Jay Schulz
Jackson Trengove
Alipate Carlile
Jasper Pittard
Angus Monfries
Jack Hombsch
Matthew Lobbe
Cam O’Shea
Kane Cornes
Tom Clurey

Most of whom were key movers in the 12-10/2013 team and beyond. They didn’t get there because Ken’s a thoroughly mediocre coach, but there’s no reason we shouldn’t be discussing second and third-tier guys like Matthew Broadbent, Andrew Moore and Matthew Lobbe in the same vein as people describe the Will Langfords, Brent Renoufs and Jacob Townsends.

But there was also nothing that could be done about the state of the list because we didn't have the collateral needed to improve it - no one wanted our second tier players so we couldn't get the picks.

We had the collateral if that’s what Hinkley wanted — he just refused to trade, blinding out potential and value until it was worthless.

The first guy Hinkley actually traded out was Jarman Impey, fully 5 years after he first turned up.

 

[bomberclifford]

They went after Lyon at Freo. Simpson at West Coast. Every SUNS coach. Leon Cameron. Every Crows coach.

It's not just a Victoria - Interstate divide.

It's a Port Adelaide - Everyone else divide.

That's why I think it's an AFL directive to the media to go easy on Ken.
We're paying our austerity dues for the AFL getting us out of the control of the SANFL.

Stick with Ken.
Occasionally play finals.
Don't drop to bottom of the ladder.
Maintain membership and attendance.
Don't rock the boat.

 

[Alberton Proud]

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Stealth Edition
Noice

 

[GoPorts]

No expense will be spared to track down this dangerous criminal
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Need to get the black light out too. CSI has shown me that every criminal leaves a semen sample behind at the scene

 

[Janus]

Acknowledge your point but Ken has had 10 years to draft or recruit a premiership caliber team.

If the club is blaming the players for our losses then isn’t that an indictment on the coach and recruiting department for not picking the right ones over the past decade?

Also, our list wasn’t too far off when Ken came on board. Peak Schulz, Boak, Wingard, Gray, Westhoff, Ebert and Monfries plus a young Wines and could have beens Hartlett and Trengove. The core was there with enough second class talent in players like Lobbe, White and Hombsch.

It’s easy to forget the quality we had when it was a decade ago.

The only year that this could have applied was 2015. No one denies that that season was a missed opportunity.

Schulz was at his peak in 2014. By 2016 he missed pretty much the entire season with a bad back and was delisted.

Monfries put his mates at Essendon before the club and went missing for the entire 2016 season, and took Ryder along with him.

White got injured in 2016 and missed all but one game.

Carlile got injured in 2016 and missed all but two games, then retired.

Westhoff was always flakey as **** - there's a reason why he was mentioned by name in Rucci's 'Port is in the u-bend waiting for a flush' article.

Wingard has been a **** tease his entire career. I can guarantee Hawthorn doesn't give us a first round pick AND Burton for him if they had their time again.

Trengove and Hartlett had deficiencies to their game that kept them from being really elite.

Lobbe was a poor man's Lycett, and you see how people give Scott shit on this board.

See, for me a premiership isn't won by the 22 that take the field on grand final day. It's won by the entire playing list that makes sure that the 22 that take the field are up to the required standard to win a flag. That's why if you take a look at the premiership sides over the past few years, you can see that they also do well in their reserve competition.

How are we doing in the SANFL this year? Where are the dominant performances that are pushing our current 22 to play better?

 

[tribey]

Even when we were “on our knees” we still didn’t collect a spoon. How the actual f@&k has our brief time near the bottom, over 10 years ago, had so much emphasis placed on it above and beyond all the other teams that actually did finish last since?

It’s reached a point of absurdity where if you painstakingly point out that the worst of the off-field problems had been rectified long before the 3 K’s rolled up, you’re met with things like, “garbage”, “nonsense”, “be gone troll”.

It’s like… hang on.

These are cold hard facts that are intended to show the club wasn’t the pitiful dying minnow everyone seemingly assumes it was, that it was in a position of future strength and brimming with potential, and these dullards think that’s false? Or lies?

Never thought I’d see the day where bigging up the club was considered poor form, but here we are.

 

[Alberton Proud]

I remember how upset I was after the gold coast game. I was living with mum, 20 years old still at home. Watched the game there. My phone started going off as it got close in the last quarter. I never looked at it. I remember clinging to straws when trengove went down in the last minute. Prayed for a stoppage. Didn't happen. Instead Hoff takes a mark 45 out on 45. We were all 99% sure how it would end, but that 1% of hope was painful. Painful. Traumatic really.

I remember moving from the back loungeroom to my bedroom with a slammed door. Extended adolescence on display. I was furious. Helpless and furious. The phone was going more. Mates and acquaintances obviously making fun. I didn't have the capacity to deal with it at the time. I didn't look at it. I went on a PC to bigfooty and kept my tv on.

But I remember the first words of his press conference following that.

'I would like to apologise to the Port Adelaide supports and members for the disgrace of today... We need to delve deep in to our psyche to find our why we continue to produce results like this'

Maybe that isn't exactly what was said, but it's been ******* 11 years mate. The important thing is, I felt an ounce on comfort from it. I felt, here was a guy that knew, that knew, something was seriously wrong with the club. And it had to be fixed. We all knew it since that day in 2007, then again the many shameful fadeouts in 2008. And maybe he didn't know how to do that, but the first step in fixing a problem is to admit it is a problem, and to take responsibility, and to include himself in that. He did those two things.

I felt more comfort then than I ever have felt listening to Ken post match.

Primus probably could not coach, but remember he was coaching with literally the worst support of all 17/18 clubs. He was doing it on fumes and under pressure. But he was a good man, of genuine intent. Not a perfect man, but a Port Adelaide man. Not born and bred, but through exposure and buy in.

Ken Hinkley is a fraud. A manipulator, a deflector, a loser, an insult to those who came before him. His attidudes have been the foremost figure in killing the club's culture over the last decade.

You can take you Matthew Primus slander in the year of 2022, and shovel it. It isn't doing anybody any favours right now. It isn't helping to sack Hinkley.

If you aren't part of sacking Hinkley, you are the problem.

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Fair post for 1:17am

 

[Sheeds]

When performance is not the most important KPI for a professional sports team, including the Senior Coach it allows an ingrained culture of mediocrity to permeate throughout the whole club. The values of the club are systematically being eroded and destroyed under the current regime. A decade with no success, two final wins in eight years and missing finals after talking up Premiership credentials on the back of a 12-goal home prelim loss that was completely swept under the carpet.

A tenure which has seen most of the competition play in a Grand Final including three of the four teams below Port when Hinkley took over. In the words of Ken “You get what you deserve” Sadly, he is right.

 

[johnnysix]

Even when we were “on our knees” we still didn’t collect a spoon. How the actual f@&k has our brief time near the bottom, over 10 years ago, had so much emphasis placed on it above and beyond all the other teams that actually did finish last since?

It's media bullsh*t. Look at the whole tarps thing. They took that and use it to this day as a symbol of us being "down and out". Stuff like that is all they need. It's an easy sell in an industry that only cares about a compelling narrative. Now tell me, what's more interesting? A story about a coach that has done everything he can with his skillset, tactical nous (or lack thereof) and a couple of playing groups? Or a story about a supporter base savaging a coach that rescued them from death's door and got them to two preliminary finals and top two finishes in the last two years? It's not about reality, it's about what makes the best yarn.

The reality is, that even in our best years, Ken has done nothing to make us a dominant team that puts teams to the sword. We fear expectation and we fear ultimate success. Ken has done everything he can to suppress any signs of arrogance because he's always one eye on the "we're getting ahead of ourselves" label. I doubt he's even considered that maybe we needed a bit of arrogance. In the after match interview with channel 7 last weekend, Hawkins heaped praise on us and the way we kept coming like a a kid might praise their younger brother for taking a few good swings. Whether intentional or not, it was patronising and i reckon there's no doubt that they had supreme confidence they would come out on top.

 

[philreich]

The FB brigade were not happy with the Sack Hinkley sticker. Hilarious that it made the news though.

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I find it amazing that Hinkley lovers refer to those of us who want him gone as "despicable fair weather supporters". I'd just like to suggest to these mouth breathers that they clearly don't want Port to experience ultimate success, because if they're waiting to see it with Ken in the coaches box, they'll be waiting a bloody long time. Why not give another coach a crack at it - it's worked at other clubs, so why can't it work at Alberton?

 

[edgie]

Fair post for 1:17am

I had to rush to post it before 1:19

 

[Ilias M]

Not one supporter calling through talks Hinkley. What's happening to our base

INTERVIEW: Tim Ginever - 25 July 2022 - The FIVEAA Sports Show

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[Arsene Wenger]

Not one supporter calling through talks Hinkley. What's happening to our base

INTERVIEW: Tim Ginever - 25 July 2022 - The FIVEAA Sports Show

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I am sure they censor it.

There were plenty calling in last year after the Prelim and Rowey was falling over himself defending Ken.

 

[hOUTkley]

I find it amazing that Hinkley lovers refer to those of us who want him gone as "despicable fair weather supporters". I'd just like to suggest to these mouth breathers that they clearly don't want Port to experience ultimate success, because if they're waiting to see it with Ken in the coaches box, they'll be waiting a bloody long time. Why not give another coach a crack at it - it's worked at other clubs, so why can't it work at Alberton?

Crazy. It's some bizarre logic that we don't care about the club because we dare to hold them to account.

Cant imagine too many of the Ken lovers were sitting amongst the tarps in the 2010s.

But yeah, we're the fair weather fans

 

[Janus]

These retrospectives from you are utterly baffling, not least because you predicted us to finish top year after year after year across this span. But, on day one Ken’s list featured:

Travis Boak
Robbie Gray
Chad Wingard
Ollie Wines
Tom Jonas
Brad Ebert
Hamish Hartlett
Matthew Broadbent
Justin Westhoff
Jay Schulz
Jackson Trengove
Alipate Carlile
Jasper Pittard
Angus Monfries
Jack Hombsch
Matthew Lobbe
Cam O’Shea
Kane Cornes
Tom Clurey

Most of whom were key movers in the 12-10/2013 team and beyond. They didn’t get there because Ken’s a thoroughly mediocre coach, but there’s no reason we shouldn’t be discussing second and third-tier guys like Matthew Broadbent, Andrew Moore and Matthew Lobbe in the same vein as people describe the Will Langfords, Brent Renoufs and Jacob Townsends.



We had the collateral if that’s what Hinkley wanted — he just refused to trade, blinding out potential and value until it was worthless.

The first guy Hinkley actually traded out was Jarman Impey, fully 5 years after he first turned up.

I've always rated our best 22 - if on the off chance we managed to keep our best 22 on the park for the majority of the season, like we did in 2014, we would give most teams a run for their money.

It's the guys underneath that are the problem. They were delisted and not traded because they had no currency. Guys like Ben Newton for example. Andrew Moore was a first round draft pick that should have got us something - nothing. John Butcher - first round draft pick - nothing. Jasper Pittard had to be bundled up with Jared Polec. We got absolutely nothing for Ben Jacobs who was a first rounder. Etc etc. Harvey, Shaw, Neade...the list goes on. A team that is vying for the flag should be able to sell their reserve players for at least a third or fourth round pick, and their young first round picks for a first round pick in exchange. Best 22 players should fetch at least a second round pick.

They didn't get there because they had no pressure from underneath to push them to the elite standards necessary to win a flag. You want to know what I blame? After 2004, we went on a cost cutting exercise and completely gutted out our Victorian recruiting department (the main source of talent for drafted players) and our scouting team. It was only reinstated in 2012.

We've had a decent recruiting department for 10 years, which is why the guys we drafted during that time (Impey, Austin, Howard, Ladhams) that left the club actually had some value. It's why we haven't had a bust in the first round since then and why I didn't question the club when they traded out of 2017 to get Marshall and Powell-Pepper. If we had a recruiting department in 2009 we select Talia, Jetta, Fyfe, Gunston, Duncan or Gawn with our first three picks, or bundle up Pick 8 and 9 to get Pick 3 from Richmond for Dustin Martin.

I don't think people fully appreciate just how close to folding this club was in 2012. 2013 was literally a Khmer Rouge 'Year Zero' for Port Adelaide in terms of it's AFL journey. Whatever we had done from 1997-2012 hadn't worked, because we had cut costs on the future of our football department. It's why the reunification of the Magpies into the club was important. A complete reset.

We aren't winning a flag unless a) our best 22 is on the park more often than not or b) we improve our reserve side to the point where they consistently play finals in whatever reserve competition they are in.