Prediction Semi Final: Changes Vs Collingwood (We survived to round 2!)

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I think Taberner is much better closer to goal.

Obviously all the positions are fluid but yeah I like Tabs where he either marks it and has a shot or brings it down for the smalls. I don't really like him floating around in midfield, he doesn't have the best footy brain and those mistakes are too costly. A get out of jail mark down the line by tabbs is always welcome though.
But that's how he works into games, by using his superior aerobic capacity to work over his opponent. Tabs doesn't have the speed off the mark to get separation in a congested forward line, at least not until the late stages of quarters/games.
 
Pressure? He dropped 95% of marks. Often ran under the ball. Flew one handed which is under 14s bad and didn’t lay a tackle.

I’d say there’s more ‘pressure’ on the opposition if you actually mark the ball!

Although, I know what you’re saying, Logue was diabolical last night.

If Taberner demands selection, Logue is seriously in the hot seat.

100% you can’t drop Amiss.

Maybe NOD pulls up sore.
This is hyperbole. Watch it again and you'll see Logue did more than we realised at the game. The dropped marks stick in the mind, but he was far from diabolical, he made a tangible contribution.
 
Can’t believe people are suggesting Chapman out and Amiss out! These guys are the future of our club and some want to deprive them of the valuable experience of playing a pressure final at the MCG. Mind- blowing!
I understand your point but for me it’s about doing everything possible to win the flag in 2022 now. When you are deep in finals it’s 100% about winning now, not worrying about next year
 

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I think Taberner is much better closer to goal.

Obviously all the positions are fluid but yeah I like Tabs where he either marks it and has a shot or brings it down for the smalls. I don't really like him floating around in midfield, he doesn't have the best footy brain and those mistakes are too costly. A get out of jail mark down the line by tabbs is always welcome though.

Not having a good target for our kicks down the line coming out of defense is one of our biggest weaknesses, and it's something that Tabs does very well because there isn't a key defender in the league who can keep up with Tabs ability to cover ground.
 
The continued calls for a quick tabs return is laughable. JL's presser covered this off stating "We were looking for a forward who presents straight at the ballcarrier" This is exactly what Amiss brought to the side and exactly what Tabs doesn't do.

We are better without him and our forward line synergy and leading patterns will only improve.

NO CHANGES

The fact you think Tabs isnt playing because we prefer Amiss is laughable. Tabs is an automatic inclusion when fit, Im not sure if Amiss comes out or someone else comes out, but Tabs 100% plays if he's fit enough to play.

The continued dumping on Tabs on this board is what's laughable. He's one of the best key forwards in the league when fit.
 
I loved Amiss game last night. Should have had 3 goals which is rediculously good considering how low scoring of a team we are. He has much better goal sense then Logue.

But do people realise logue and Amiss play different roles? Amiss plays as close to goal as possible at all times, where as Logue plays as our roaming CHF. Amiss scoring more goals then Logue is always going to happen.

This means it's either:
Logue CHF and Amiss FF
Or
Taberner CHF and Amiss FF
Or
Logue CHF and Taberner FF

Logue also offers us flexibility of moving back if needed. The last thing I want is Taberner floating around in midfield slowing things down and making silly mistakes.

Unfortunately for this game I really think we are better off having the structure of Taberner up forward. I know people aren't going to like it but if Tabs has a big game today I do think Amiss should come out for him. Ok hate on me now :(
Could very well see all three in and Logue pushed back. Collingwood play a zone defence and hardly any talls.
Moore is their crashing interceptor with Howe and Maynard. Have to work out how to exploit the lack of height.
Amiss, Tabs and Lobb can work. Feel Logue should be in there as CHF. Tabs FF with Amiss. Lobb/Darcy floating.

Interestingly Collingwood are short ho forward too. Rely so much over the back play that they don’t push high. Elliott and Ginnivan get cheapies over the back. Fremantle are more man to man so could limit this effectively.
 
This is hyperbole. Watch it again and you'll see Logue did more than we realised at the game. The dropped marks stick in the mind, but he was far from diabolical, he made a tangible contribution.
He was really good at ground level, using clean hands to get the ball to runners after spoiled/missed pack marking situations. His role is as an athletic CHF who halves contests and can crumb like a small when the ball hits the deck. Sure, he went under a few, but he played his role. Would take a special game from Tabs to kick Logue out of the team.
 
Not having a good target for our kicks down the line coming out of defense is one of our biggest weaknesses, and it's something that Tabs does very well because there isn't a key defender in the league who can keep up with Tabs ability to cover ground.
Exactly. And he forces Moore to be more accountable up the growing. That leaves Lobb with Howe and Amiss/Logue with Maynard. Exposes them significantly. Collingwood don’t have a efficient man to man defence but rather a zone.
 
This is hyperbole. Watch it again and you'll see Logue did more than we realised at the game. The dropped marks stick in the mind, but he was far from diabolical, he made a tangible contribution.

Nah. He flew under the ball many times. Went up one handed a few times. Got caught behind numerous times to give up defensive marks.

Sure he provided a contest a few times, but he’s a forward and when you bang it in long that’s the least you’d hope for.

Zero tackles.

He was diabolical. I have watched the game a few times already!
 
The fact you think Tabs isnt playing because we prefer Amiss is laughable. Tabs is an automatic inclusion when fit, Im not sure if Amiss comes out or someone else comes out, but Tabs 100% plays if he's fit enough to play.

The continued dumping on Tabs on this board is what's laughable. He's one of the best key forwards in the league when fit.

Tabs is fit that is why he is playing at Peel. To also suggest he is one of the best forwards in the league...........

Go and listen to JLs Presser

They will play Amiss over him again next week.
 

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Just about every statistical category points to Logue being diabolical.

‘Oh, he can bring pressure’ - he had 8 pressure acts. The least of our forwards except for Amiss.

‘He can crumb the ball and feed it out’ - yet he had 8 disposals! 5 handballs.

‘He brings others into the game’ - how? He had 2 score involvements. One of those his gifted 50m penalty goal.

‘He’s a tall that can play small’ - haha. A tall that plays small and laid ZERO tackles.

Now despite all the actual stats. You only had to use your eyeballs to see he had a stinker.

Does he get dropped? Don’t know. I’ve already said he’ll have a role against Pies.

BUT let’s not pretend he made a ‘tangible difference’ or was serviceable. He was beyond shite and if that sort of game was dished up by Lobb or Taberner we’d call for their heads.

Do I feel sorry for him? Yeah I do. He’s a shutdown defender who isn’t in our best backline. But, you shouldn’t get free passes just because. He played as a forward last night.

He was diabolical as a forward last night. Honestly, he’s not been great as a forward in his opportunities.
 
Just about every statistical category points to Logue being diabolical.

‘Oh, he can bring pressure’ - he had 8 pressure acts. The least of our forwards except for Amiss.

‘He can crumb the ball and feed it out’ - yet he had 8 disposals! 5 handballs.

‘He brings others into the game’ - how? He had 2 score involvements. One of those his gifted 50m penalty goal.

‘He’s a tall that can play small’ - haha. A tall that plays small and laid ZERO tackles.

Now despite all the actual stats. You only had to use your eyeballs to see he had a stinker.

Does he get dropped? Don’t know. I’ve already said he’ll have a role against Pies.

BUT let’s not pretend he made a ‘tangible difference’ or was serviceable. He was beyond shite and if that sort of game was dished up by Lobb or Taberner we’d call for their heads.

Do I feel sorry for him? Yeah I do. He’s a shutdown defender who isn’t in our best backline. But, you shouldn’t get free passes just because. He played as a forward last night.

He was diabolical as a forward last night. Honestly, he’s not been great as a forward in his opportunities.
I’ve just watched the first quarter at peel and Tabs is rusty as fcuk. Both Treacy and Sturt are looking much sharper.
Unless there is a big improvement from Tabs today this is all a moot discussion as there won’t be any changes.
 
Amiss played a really mature and composed game for a 19 year old. Needs more bulk to keep from being bodied and outpointed, but the kid has the mentality and the gumption to be our spearhead.

i love how Tabs has developed into such an important player for us, but his main strength is his work ethic and running; and if he is not fully fit and rusty, he might be more of a liability than an asset. Which is probably why match committee decided to select Jye over him for this game.

saw Noddy hold his hammy late in the game… worried he won’t get up. He’s such a talismanic player for us as well.
 
Interesting how Worner is basically playing half back.

If anyone missed it, Bell yesterday that Taberner would be on limited minutes in this game, and they might (game dependent) pull out a couple of others as well.
 
Did you see how much we’re paying for next week - 2.61 vs 1.31 - surely that’s massive overs? Collingwood got into the top 4 over us by a fecking whisker, and our away form has been very good this season. Am I missing something?
 
Did you see how much we’re paying for next week - 2.61 vs 1.31 - surely that’s massive overs? Collingwood got into the top 4 over us by a fecking whisker, and our away form has been very good this season. Am I missing something?
Especially with Adams out, de Goey plus a few others under injury clouds, the odds should be closer.
 
I know it’s in vogue to have a hard on for Craig McRae but I just watched his presser and first of all he had a go at a few players laying on the ground after the siren and acting like “losers”, then when answering a question about De Goey’s injured shoulder started complaining about the umpires.

Nah. Let’s smash them.
I don't like him, there I said it.
 
I understand your point but for me it’s about doing everything possible to win the flag in 2022 now. When you are deep in finals it’s 100% about winning now, not worrying about next year
We are in the best position possible in regards to our 22 to win a flag if Chappy can play like he did yesterday for all of the finals, and given the circumstances you'd think he could back it up
 
This is hyperbole. Watch it again and you'll see Logue did more than we realised at the game. The dropped marks stick in the mind, but he was far from diabolical, he made a tangible contribution.
Yeah I watched it again this morning and he halved a lot of contests put his head over it a number of times. A few times it directly led to a goal. I think you need physicality in finals so there's no way he's an out for me. Reality is Tabs didn't set the world on fire today so you'd think no changes, unless Drizz doesn't get up in which case they'll look at Banfield, Henry, Colyer or Hughes (Tucker injured).
 

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