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AFLW 2024 - Round 10 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
Shane Watson V Michael Clarke
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dan warna said:
hodge wasn't good enough for a middle order spot 4-5 years ago. we had the waugh boys and punter plus the likes of marto, blewy and langer lurking.
i can't see why hodge or hussey can't play test cricket for australia. if they are good enough and there are no obvious younger candidates , then pick them. i don't subscribe to the theory that they have 5-7 years left in them like eddie said, but certainly 3-4.
the only batters who have played on past the age of 35 over the last 25 years have been captains in g chappell (36) border (38) s waugh(38) and his brother m waugh (37). and thats my sole reason why marto won't get back into the test team being 34 and all.
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Clarke was nowhere near the next best batsman in the country when he made his debut. how many batsmen around the country would have been bitterly dissapointed when he was chosen above them. Hodge, Elliot, Mike Hussey, Blewett, Maher, Love, Cox, Marsh, Bevan etc. IMO players should earn their baggy green. The selectors should pick the best team available, not someone that will be in the best team in 5 years. Its funny that any promising nsw players get a baggy green so watch out for jaques and thornley to make their debuts soon...
if jaques gets a cap, then he'll have thoroughly deserved it.
i'm a victorian and reckon we've produced absolute crud over the past 20 odd years with a few exceptions, mainly in warnie, jones , reiffel and hughes.
if you think they favor the nsw players then why is warne in the side instead of macgill.
you can't tell me players like slater, taylor, bevan, the waugh boys, mcgrath, lee, macgill never deserved their rightful spots in the team.
i'm a victorian and reckon we've produced absolute crud over the past 20 odd years with a few exceptions, mainly in warnie, jones , reiffel and hughes.
if you think they favor the nsw players then why is warne in the side instead of macgill.
you can't tell me players like slater, taylor, bevan, the waugh boys, mcgrath, lee, macgill never deserved their rightful spots in the team.
freak29
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no. i admit. nsw has produced some absolute champions, however they produced them in the last decade, but the selectors are still picking new south welshmen anyway. In the line ball decisions nsw players are getting the nod. eg Bracken, Nicholson, Clark>Lewis, Bichel.
Katich, Clarke>Elliot, Hodge.
I admit jaques does deserve a game if he gets one, but its the players that get the line ball decisions are usually from NSW that gives me the irrits. As kerry o'keefe says- "when they hand out the baggy blue caps for nsw players, they but a baggygreen in the same paperbag to save having to make 2 presentations."
Katich, Clarke>Elliot, Hodge.
I admit jaques does deserve a game if he gets one, but its the players that get the line ball decisions are usually from NSW that gives me the irrits. As kerry o'keefe says- "when they hand out the baggy blue caps for nsw players, they but a baggygreen in the same paperbag to save having to make 2 presentations."
Classic KO'K.freak29 said:
The selectors have to gamble by fast-tracking young players who show signs of real potential......... our biggest problem for yonks has been finding replacements for our once-in-a-lifetime bowlers Warne and McGrath. Only now is Lee starting to step up as a genuine strike bowler. The others are still lagging well behind at this stage, although Watson's recent one day form is encouraging.
We also need to find the next Ricky Ponting star batsman. I think they did the right thing in giving Michael Clarke an early crack at it. On his recent form though he will have to lift his game otherwise find himself back in Pura Cup to re-establish himself.
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dan warna said:
heres an idea watson is ******** u will see him fail at everything.
watson bowls a bouncer afridi goes bang ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh six
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when do the vic players get a go apart from white i aint herd of 1
Its because the vics just dont have the classy players at the moment. White's got every possible chance, and hodge sits on the fringe, but who else could you fast-track into a succeeding aussie team?? David hussey maybe? Crosthwaite? These are good players, but not champions. You have to earn it to play for australia.
btw You need success. NSW has had plenty of success in the past decade.
btw You need success. NSW has had plenty of success in the past decade.
freak29
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Agreed. How many wickets did watson get of bad balls??? The batsmen will fest of him in the super test as he will certainly be the weak link. as the batsman figure him out he will get spanked. good to see gilly get man of the series and not that hack watson.M_J_Rosso_3 said:
freak29
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Elliot and hodge both never got the chances they deserved. berry was another who missed out. harvey was given many opportunities but never did they show the faith in him that they did clarke and co. even ponting was too reluctant to give white a bowl. we did win the pura cup 2 seasons ago. we have/had the players.Smokey_22 said:
Both are young and talented and should be in both Test and ODI sides ahead of some of the underperforming experienced players there
Unfortunately both are metro fashion victims who look extremely effeminate
Unfortunately both are metro fashion victims who look extremely effeminate
Elliot had more success when he became a comedianfreak29 said:
You have got to be kidding me. how could you possibly say that watson is a better player than clarke. Clarke has easily the most talent in Australia and Watson after having one decent series is seen as a freak. you watch it Watson will never play as well as he did in this series. Clarke is the obvious choice 
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shanrew said:You have got to be kidding me. how could you possibly say that watson is a better player than clarke. Clarke has easily the most talent in Australia and Watson after having one decent series is seen as a freak. you watch it Watson will never play as well as he did in this series. Clarke is the obvious choice
Maybe you should do yourself a favour and actually check out Clarke and Watson's respective first-class careers instead of posting mad faces. It may help to stop you looking like the ignorant tossbag you currently are.
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M_J_Rosso_3 said:
sounds like brett lee you are talking about...
Watson is a batting all rounder, his batting at FC is superior to clarkes and whites for that matter.
His bowling is a bonus.
BTW its not that far behind lee's...
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shanrew said:You have got to be kidding me. how could you possibly say that watson is a better player than clarke. Clarke has easily the most talent in Australia and Watson after having one decent series is seen as a freak. you watch it Watson will never play as well as he did in this series. Clarke is the obvious choice
Clarke won't average more than 45 in his test career. Hes a good international class player, but not in the league of punter, s.waugh, border, GIlly, Hayden, etc.
dan warna said:
You've listed some fairly special players there though. We (Aus) have been so lucky to have such talent over the last 10-15 years, there will be a downturn at some stage (looks to be starting now) for sure. As for Watson, I think he'd be established in the Test team if not for injury early on.
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Andrew Mc said:
concur
thats I why I say clarke should remain in the test side.
we aren't going to unearth as many 50 plus average players in the near future...
Jacques looks the most likely.
Which is why I say he should be in the test side (even if not playing) NOW, because he needs to be around his future team mates.
I thought and argued on forums like this that Hodge should have been in the test side 4/5 years ago, puting him now is rewarding him for consistent form.
WE SHOULD REWARD PLAYERS BUT the AUSTRALIAN TEST SHOULD BE BIGGER THAN INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS...
Jacques, Watson and maybe white and tait should be int he test side permanently sooner than later.
Note that boon, s.waugh, ponting were among players brought into the test side on potential, dropped 1/3 of the way through their career and came back stronger.
The selectors who made Australia great were better than hohns et al who inherited a strong set up and are running it into the ground with 'defencive' selections.
where is the risk that brought warne, ponting, s.waugh, boon etc into the test side on potential.
sure there were some failures but this laid the foundations of on of the greatest era's in test cricket in australia.
continually picking 30 plus players smacks of what ENgland used to do in the early to late 90s.
ENgland Carried Freddie (proto watson?) doggard (rofe?) Jones (tait?) when they didn't do anything to forge them into a team, much like australia did in the late 80s early 90s.
selecting katich, m.hussey, Hodge etc smacks of England in the mid 90s. give them two tests and drop them again.
dan warna said:
Thats true.
The next few debutants should be <28, and there should only be a couple at the most every year to ensure a smooth transition of eras.
Every now and then a 20 year old with exceptional talent should be thrust into the side.
Some of these have been ponting in ~96, and of late Clarke and Tait. White may be next at 21. These are the super-long termers who provide a solid base for success.
Putting mature players in 'because they deserve it' may extend our golden age by a couple of years, but it will most surely screw us up long term.
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